Ambivalent

[octville]

When was the last we scored in the Premiership?

Let's see...sh*t-2 Villa, 0-0 Blackburn, sh*t-2 United and viola...0-0 Fulham!

Will this record be as long as our Mourinho's chant that we are making audible?

Roman think this is his play toy indeed... Shevchenko... Woefully off form and i swear he could score many tries if he plays in rugby.

Off position, can't even do a simple free kick or at least shoot on target for a dead ball when you consider him once as FIFA footballer of the Year. He even had time to go for the same ball as Drogs, something we only get to see in high school football. Crap, overpaid and useless.

Perhaps we should swap him for Van Nistelrooy.

I must give kudos to those players for trying. Drogs, Kalou, Makelele and even Cech but every signings that we buy recently seem to get worse. Belleti had a good game but where was that Alex when Fulham threatened? He even had time to slip one and always gifted Fulham if not for Cech's leg of wonder.

I dare say that if we had keep Damien Duff, Gudjohnsen and Gallas, things would not be so pathetic.

The conclusion is simple. If we are even to qualify for UEFA Cup next season, we better start changing things.

1.t is never easy to accept Mourinho's departure but Chelsea has to move on. Grant should not be allowed to be the Gaffer permanently because he just does not make the cut as a successful top class manager although we will find it hard to replace Mourinho. Let's get someone with real quality.

2.we know Sheva does not deserve any games and should be banned permanently. Why not let Sinclair handle this?

3. Ben T'aim should be permanently 2nd team after JT/ Carvalho returns

4. Joey is back to his pre-Mourinho bad habits. He is getting selfish, dribbles too much and often get himself in a cul-de-sac. Someone ought to remind him

5. Keep Cech, JT, Essien, Drogs, Kalou, Lamps, Carvalho as untouchables.

Overall, a really disappointing performance but i will pay tribute to the old guards for trying very very hard.

[german-blue]

A lot of sh*t you wrote really !!!!!

Do you honestly think that Sinclair is a better player then Sheva ? (I agree Sheva was sh*t today)

Kalou as an untochable ?? Well If you dont want to score a goal then yes !

Alex wasn?t too blame for the big chance Cech safed. It was Joe !! Look at his pass

[The Moos]

Yet again you write a load of absolute rubbish.

[g3.7]

to be fair, he can only work with the brain god gave him.

[Enrico]

Or didn't.

[The Moos]

to be fair, he can only work with the brain god gave him.

They say most people use 10 percent of their brain....

....and others use 10 permille...

[octville]

And didn't you read the load of rubbish said by Avram Grant? The team is in good shape. That's what he said.

Anyone knows that a team who cannot score is in deep sh*t. You do not score, you only draw or lose, as simple as that.

Sinclair is better than Sheva at the moment. That prima donna thinks he is still at top when anyone with eyes can see that he played like he is from 3rd division.

Thank you folks for being so blind and still in your dreams. Thank you for denying your eyes, what u had seen on the pitch on Sat. Or did you not hear the load of boos ringing around the Bridge on Sat? If there is enough satisfaction, why is there so much vocal despair?

All is not well and those using only 10% of their brain are my critics... Thank you once again for making me feel like the Special One

[The Moos]

Again. A load of bull.

First of all I don't see anything wrong with Grant saying that the team is in good shape. What manager comes out and say "well the team is totaly out of shape at the moment"?

I doesn't matter how bad things are, the manager still says positive things. Even Jos? did it alot of times when the team wasn't in good shape.

As for Sinclair being better than Sheva at the moment I would say that Sinclair has a long way to go before he's equal to Sheva but he is in better form at the moment. That is atleast what I think.

I would not go so far as calling Sheva a prima donna. The way he acts on the pitch shows that he isn't full of himself or that he thinks that he's still the old Sheva who scored 20+ goals for Milan every season.

He works hard and really tries to make his best. That is a sign of commitment and not of a prima donna.

Also it's kinda hard for him to really get back on track right now when the team just isn't performing. Had the team been playing like they did say 3 seasons ago (or whatever it was). Then we would perhaps be seing a totaly different Sheva.

And please don't compare yourself to the special one. It's like comparing a twig to a forest.

[Guest]

He was also clearly played out of position against Fulham. So much so I honestly think they should have dropped him and put Joe Cole into his position (with Malouda moving wide left).

[octville]

So you think Sheva will come through ? I will take bet for 50 quips that he is out by next season

Did you see how he took that freekick? It didn't even went over the wall, for your mummy's sake !

Or the shot in the first few minutes that will qualify for a 4-point try in rugby?

Am i sprouting bull here? Anyone who has half the brain as Moo will know that Sheva is such a flop !

[g3.7]

50 quips?

I can do that.

[loz]

I know a lot of people have had a pop at Octvillein the past about some of his posts and often I have agreed that he has talked quite a bit of nonsense however I am firmly of the belief that each post should be treated on its merits rather than on the basis of prior opinions.

On this one I look at these statements

1.t is never easy to accept Mourinho's departure but Chelsea has to move on. Grant should not be allowed to be the Gaffer permanently because he just does not make the cut as a successful top class manager although we will find it hard to replace Mourinho. Let's get someone with real quality.

2.we know Sheva does not deserve any games and should be banned permanently. Why not let Sinclair handle this?

3. Ben T'aim should be permanently 2nd team after JT/ Carvalho returns

4. Joey is back to his pre-Mourinho bad habits. He is getting selfish, dribbles too much and often get himself in a cul-de-sac. Someone ought to remind him

5. Keep Cech, JT, Essien, Drogs, Kalou, Lamps, Carvalho as untouchables.

and I would say I whole heartedly agree with points 1 and 3.

Point 2 I don't entirely agree with but a lot of people do so it is not as if Octville is being in anyway controversial.

Point 4 I don't agree with so much. I actually want a little more greed in a couple of creative players. I want more belief in their own ability and I am willing to accept that now and again it will not work out and they will lose posession. Jose stripped the confidence and flair out of too many creative players.

Although I don't agree with any player ever being classified as 'untouchable' I would say the list Octiville provided is pretty much the players I would class as week in weke out regulars when fit with the exception of Kalou who would struggle to make my bench. Every player should be subject to being dropped if form is below par (Essien a prime example just now).

[youlots]

Agree with Octville's 1, 2 & 3.

4. - too early to tell.

5. - no one's untouchable albeit that those mentioned (save for Kalou) would be automatic picks in anyone's book at present I would have thought. As for Kalou, well, what does one say?!? So far his early season form is about as good as his pre-season form. ie. dreadful but given that I don't rate him and never have, then at least his current form is, well, consistent. And hey, in my book you can never get enough of that. Then again perhaps my comments on Kalou are still "premature". Over to you G4.

[g3.7]

I'm not sure what you want from me.

[youlots]

Well G4 I seem to recall that during the off season and after the Galaxy game I think (albeit I'm relying on recollection) I expressed the view that Kalou was rubbish to which you replied that it was far too early or premature to make a call on Kalou to which I responded that if that was the case I would defer to your judgment until later. I'm now making the call. What say you? Still too early to make the call? Need the rest of the season?

[g3.7]

yeah- I certainly think "rubbish" is extremely harsh...

given it was his first season (new club/ teammates/coaching/country etc) I thought he had a positive year last season- chipped in with about 10 goals, and a few peformances where he showed a lot of potential. but he remains extremely frustrating- I would give him this season and then see how he's done- whether there's been any improvement etc. if he was sold, I wouldn't be too disappointed to be honest (I think when the new manager arrives he should look at bringing in one or two TOP creative players).

I'm more critical of jose for replacing duff/robben/eidur with the likes of swp, malouda and kalou- to me there's a gap, and if you have to replace those players, you should aim for players of a similar (or better if possible) standard. but it's not kalou's fault he's not as good as duff or eidur.

[youlots]

Well if Kalou was bought as a replacement for either of those three it makes his performances too date not just "rubbish" but abject rubbish I would have thought. No, on second thoughts that's too harsh - I'll save abject rubbish for Sheva.

In all honesty I think Duff was, after those 2 injuries, not the same livewire and I think in retrospect he's performances up north have proved that. Last I heard he's still injured!

As for Robben, well, great player on his day (especially as a sub I always thought) but as far as managing him (like managing stray cats I would have thought!).

As for Eidur, I can never believe we sold him (he was my favourite all time chelsea player after Ossie) and if that was Jose well f**k him is all I can say.

Anyway Kalou may prove me wrong yet. I hope he does but I just can't see it.

[g3.7]

Well if Kalou was bought as a replacement for either of those three it makes his performances too date not just "rubbish" but abject rubbish I would have thought. No, on second thoughts that's too harsh - I'll save abject rubbish for Sheva.

well- I prefer to judge a player on what he is, not who he replaced... I like him, still think he could be a good player for us, but he should have been eased in slowly or better- loaned out.

In all honesty I think Duff was, after those 2 injuries, not the same livewire and I think in retrospect he's performances up north have proved that. Last I heard he's still injured!

yeah- he's injured- I think he's recovering from surgery. I have hope that he'll be back with a better manager than roeder there... that's why I said "if"- because there were two decisions made- the first was to sell these players, and the second was who to replace them with.

As for Eidur, I can never believe we sold him (he was my favourite all time chelsea player after Ossie) and if that was Jose well F*** him is all I can say.

would you believe it- also one of my favourite chelsea players. my feeling when he left was the same as it is now- he's of a rare breed, he understood the club and the fans, and was the type of player who relied on his technique rather than any physical quality so he would last well into his thirties. plus he never demanded a first team place. unfortunately jose ended up viewing him as a midfielder (which eidur didn't like, though he didn't complain) and they agreed he should leave. ironic really that the very next season not only did we start playing with 2 strikers, but we also started playing with a player behind the strikers- perfect for eidur (and less so for ballack, lampard, robben, joe cole etc).

p.s. he's sort of frozen out at barca- they have youngsters they want to blood instead of him (which is understandable I suppose), so he's very much available. I would love us to put ?5m down in jan for him... that would be a dream for me.

[youlots]

G4 in all honesty I don't believe it!! (We'd better get back to the Punch and Judy routine quick smart otherwise the google dollars will slow down to a trickle!) So mate as I was saying, as always, your full of it!

[octville]

Thanks loz.. I feel vindicated. I just hope that people do not get on my back just because i am octville.

I was wrong in this forum before when i was quite disappointed at one stage over Mourinho's tactics in his first season. I was also frustrated that he could not get us beyond Scouser's grasp twice in the Champion's League.

But Mourinho was the best shot for a long, long time. His head-to-head Premiership and CL record over Alex Ferguson shows that he is better than Alex the great.

Football is all about winning and losing very few games ( best not to lose any at all !), so i must say that i am very pleased that he won two great titles, 2 Carling Cups, FA Cup, Charity Shield and 2 CL semis.

That's a very decent and amirable record for any team. People said that Mourinho's money will buy success, but i do not see that happening with anyone else, LEAST AVRAM GRANT !

I will be very upset to see true blue Steve Clarke leaving too. The exodus of players could have next season if JM returns. I get a sense that he will be very welcome at Fulham, Spurs, West Spam and the likes in London. He is a London type of manager, well-groomed, executive, suave and professional.

Imagine White Hart Lane filled with chants of Mourinho, Drogs, Essien, Malouda and Carvalho !

I also agree that the players who were supposed to replace Eidur, Duff, Robben and all must be at least of equitable or better standard. Sheva and Ballack have done nothing to put themselves in my good books.

As for Kalou, the lad is still young. He has shown enterprise, good ball skill although a little naive when taking on opponents. He will learn and i think it is still too early to say that he will not come through. He has scored some great goals although he tends to miss more than he has put away. Naturally, playing for Chelsea also means that making mistake is sacrilegious but i still support him as long as he keeps growing.

It is different for Obi Mikel though. I never understand why we spent 10 mil quids for him. ( Better to give me the money to buy a mansion). He has matured in the last 20 odd games but is very very ordinary. He makes few mistakes but when he has the ball, the only hope i have is to see him make a decent pass. He cannot shot, cannot dribble beyond the odd player. In frankness, i think he is the Portsmouth/Reading sort of player. Someone who does sufficient work but never of the highest grade. It is like Van Houten chocolate. Not quite the Lindt of Switzerland but acceptable for daily consumption.

Enough said, i am saying to all to prepare for a long night in Spain.... Valencia 2 Chelsea 0

[The Moos]

So you think Sheva will come through ? I will take bet for 50 quips that he is out by next season

Did you see how he took that freekick? It didn't even went over the wall, for your mummy's sake !

Or the shot in the first few minutes that will qualify for a 4-point try in rugby?

Am i sprouting bull here? Anyone who has half the brain as Moo will know that Sheva is such a flop !

As I've already stated here Sheva didn't have a good game.

His freekick was bad (so was most of our freekicks and corners btw) and his shot might not have been good.

Kalou has had bad shots, let's kick him out.

Cole has had bad shots, let's kick him out.

Drogs has had bad shots, let's kick him out.

etc.

Sheva isn't in form at the moment and the same goes for the entire team. But I do believe that he can get back on track once again.

[BLUENUT]

The rest of the team have time on their side Sheva was 31 on Saturday and hasn't put in 1 performance of merit since he's been here.

Here's something I never thought I'd say......*deep breath*...... but I agree with Octville. I'd rather see Scott Sinclair in or around the side ahead of Shev-went slo.

Best anologies of Sheva from the weekend.

He plays like a fan who won a competition to be a star for the day.

Or It's like watching Seve Ballesteros hack his way around a golf course shooting over 90, all grace gone.

He'll score a goal one day and everyone will be saying they told me so, but I'm afraid his legs have gone, and he is becoming a ?30m / ?130k per week embarassment.

Time will prove Jose was right not to select him. We just haven't scored when he's started matches so far this season!

[octville]

Bluenut... That is the best post in the forum for me.

I can never imagine that you actually AGREE with ME ! Thank you very much.

I like the Steve Ballesteros bit. How about Sheva's case like Tiger back a few years ago when he tried changing his swing ?

Only in Tiger's case, he came back strong. Not Sheva. Once you hit 31, you cannot re-produce your youth because football is

a very physical sport. There is only 1 out of 1000 players who can be Zola, Alan Shearer and Teddy Sheringham.

Sheva is not one of them because these players spent their best years in the best league of the world. Maybe, Sheva is better suited to

the less rigor of La Liga od Serie A.

I cannot imagine if the Russian pulled the plug because of his estrangement with the fans, who would pay for his 130K quid a week?

On that salary, no club in the world ( Madrid or Barcelona ) would want him.

It is a disappointment that Chelsea, having the financial muscle, could only conjure ideas of buying ageing players.

Even Benitez had done better, with Voronin ( 27 yr old when signed), Torres (23 ), Yossi Benayoun ( 27) and Kuyt ( 26).

To be fair, we signed these players - Alex, Ben Haim, Sidwell ( all 25) Malouda (27)

But why Ballack, Sheva and Belletti?

As for Sheva vs Sinclair, let's make a comparison in relative term.

Looking at cost to reward ratio, Sheva cost 30 mil quids and we get sh*t... Sinclair only cost 200,000 quids so i can afford sh*t ( plus he is still young).

[Phillip]

Nice post. You convinced me, Octville.

[Guest abc]

obi mikel ordinary ? take a look back at last years corresponding Valencia fixture.(away Riazor)

he spent the whole game linking the play , never once hid and his passing was faultless .

he still needs to mature but we have a world-class player.

if the next manager can find his best position and stick with him , we'll be golden .