Chelsea FC Champions Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 24,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBeard Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Why bother? Even if we sign him, he won't get a game until he's about 25, and that will be in the Championship for some no mark team, having spent about four or five years out on loan at lower league clubs. Giuseppe, don't do it mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWestwayWonder Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 As much as I want to disagree with you BB, I really cant. I have yet to see someone we got in their (really) younger years come all the way up and crack the first team. I know Arnesen has been doing his work for only a few years, but the only youngins ive seen recently are Sahar, Sinclair and the other young italian fella. Guys like Yves Makalemabemamaba and Elmer never really got to the point where they were trusted enough to get even a meaningless game. But i guess the process of improving the team through the academy is as long term as things get in football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkw Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 christ bluebeard, will you give it a rest mate. your pessemism is riduclous. we havent brought many through simply because our youth set uo was garbage. its now probably one of the best in europe. lets give it a few years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBeard Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 christ bluebeard, will you give it a rest mate. your pessemism is riduclous. we havent brought many through simply because our youth set uo was garbage. its now probably one of the best in europe. lets give it a few years at least. B*llocks! You feel you have a right to voice your opinions all over this forum, so why the f*ck shouldn't I. Just because I have a different opinion to you doesn't mean I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 im just sick of every pesemistic post. he posted about a young italian were after, straight away your in with how he`ll never play for us etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBeard Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 im just sick of every pesemistic post. he posted about a young italian were after, straight away your in with how he`ll never play for us etc. Simple answer - don't f*ckin' read my posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 fair enough. im not trying to pick a fight with you, im just sick of the pessemism on here lately.its a bit over the top at times. our youth setup pre roman was pathetic. but its a hell of a lot better now, and i hold out hope of some of the youth players breaking through.the likes of carlton cole, yves makalemby etc simply werent good enough to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBeard Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 fair enough. im not trying to pick a fight with you, im just sick of the pessemism on here lately.its a bit over the top at times. our youth setup pre roman was pathetic. but its a hell of a lot better now, and i hold out hope of some of the youth players breaking through.the likes of carlton cole, yves makalemby etc simply werent good enough to play for us. You say you don't want to pick a fight with me, yet you deliberately misquote me in another thread and accuse me of pessimism here just because you don't understand the point I'm making, or you choose not to understand. So not only are you devious and deceitful, you're also a bare-faced f*ckin' liar! I've explained my worries over our youth system elsewhere in this forum, though I don't know why I bothered, the facts are there for all to see. Maybe you're just too thick to understand that sending youngsters on loan to lower league clubs isn't going to improve their chances of becoming premiership (or more importantly, Chelsea) players one iota. That's not just supposition, I've watched it happen a few times now. Oh, and when the f*ck did I ever even mention Makalemby??? I f*ckin' give up, this forum used to be an enjoyable place to come, but there are far too many w*nkers like you around now, spouting sh*t and ignoring common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 im sorry i got your back up, that was never my aim. but i dont take being called a w**ker too well. that was a way over the top post. absolutely np need fo ryou to get that aggressive. your obviously a person whos been on csr for a long time, but that gives you no right to go for me like that. i hope your proud of your efforts. i think ive had some decent chats with you on the match chat before, if you hate the site as much as you say, then to quote yourself don't f*ckin' read my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBeard Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 im sorry i got your back up, that was never my aim. but i dont take being called a w***** too well. that was a way over the top post. absolutely np need fo ryou to get that aggressive. your obviously a person whos been on csr for a long time, but that gives you no right to go for me like that. i hope your proud of your efforts. i think ive had some decent chats with you on the match chat before, if you hate the site as much as you say, then to quote yourself don't f*ckin' read my posts. There you go, you're f**kin' lying again! "if you hate the site as much as you say"! I never once said I hated the site, I said it used to be an enjoyable place to come! You'd make a f*ckin' good tabloid 'journalist', the way you twist facts around to suit your own arguments. I'm not gonna apologise to you for what I said - I was f*ckin' angry with you then, and I still am. F*ck it, I give up. I've made a lot of friends on this site over the years, and met quite a few of you. I've really enjoyed getting to know you all - well, most of you anyway You've been good company, and it's been great to share some special moments in Chelsea's history with you. I thank you for that, and also for sometimes lifting me up when I've been down. I wish you all well, take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Maybe you're just too thick to understand that sending youngsters on loan to lower league clubs isn't going to improve their chances of becoming premiership (or more importantly, Chelsea) players one iota. do you want me to make a list of players who have been out on loan at lower league clubs and went on to be not only premiership players, but also captains of their clubs and country? lets just pick two at random. beckham and oh, i dont know, how about john terry. they didnt do too badly. christ. how uptight are you. you give it out plenty on here, i give you one or two bits of stick and you take your ball home. well done for showing yourself up. i apologised and gave you a chance to stop this little bitch fight. but you carried it on. shows what a small minded little individual you really are. tara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Ding ding (you just can't a good picture of a boxing bell when you need one) My appearance here is a little like America's in WW1 - late, but hopefully with the desired effect! Marks out of 10 for fall out? This scores an 11 however at least you were falling out over a Chelsea related matter. Spare a thought for Qaz, he has to put up with Brian scrutinising his punctuation like a mid-life crisis afflicted bearded English teacher with leather patches on his tweed jacket. Anyway I hope neither of you decide to up sticks and leave as you are both posters with something to say about Chelsea of value (even if you do disagree!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I'm going to get back onto the topic of youth team players... I've explained my worries over our youth system elsewhere in this forum, though I don't know why I bothered, the facts are there for all to see. Maybe you're just too thick to understand that sending youngsters on loan to lower league clubs isn't going to improve their chances of becoming premiership (or more importantly, Chelsea) players one iota. That's not just supposition, I've watched it happen a few times now. Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be suggesting the likes of Sahar and Sinclair are good enough for the premiership allready. For this to be correct, you are either a) suggesting that Chelsea prefer to loan its youngsters to the lower leagues rather than into the premiership where they would as you call it improve their changes of becomming Chelsea regulars and therefore have only offered these players to lower league teams or they are good enough allready and every single one of the managers in the premiership are wrong in passing up the possiblity of bringing them in on loan. I would love to see Sahar and Sinclair go on to be fantastic players at this club, but I am realistic about where they are at. I won't beleive they will be Chelsea ready until such a point when they are at the very least Premiership ready. Now regarding players not improving in the lower leagues, I disagree. I beleive players are far better off getting competitive football in a lower league competition than in the Chelsea youth or reserve teams. Now if your arguing they will be even better off getting competitive football in the Premiership I would agree with you strongly, however (like I alluded to above) you have to find a club that thinks these players are good enough to play for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 You can no longer loan players to another Premiership club Qaz (at least I don't think you can). Personally I think we should have kept Scott just now. Malouda has been desperately disappointing and SWP is far from convincing on the right hand side. We can rely on Joe to fill one of the flanks and Kalou can do a job out wide as well however his contribution is up and down. Given all these factors I think there is space to take a chance on Sinclair and give him at least some playing time. I don't mean as a regular starter but I see no reason why he couldn't start some games or come off the bench in some. There is no way he is the finished article yet but he shows good promise of developing into it (more than Sahar I think) and we need to give him the chance to develop at our level, not at Championship level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 You can no longer loan players to another Premiership club Qaz (at least I don't think you can). I was not aware of that. Personally I think we should have kept Scott just now. Malouda has been desperately disappointing and SWP is far from convincing on the right hand side. We can rely on Joe to fill one of the flanks and Kalou can do a job out wide as well however his contribution is up and down. Given all these factors I think there is space to take a chance on Sinclair and give him at least some playing time. I don't mean as a regular starter but I see no reason why he couldn't start some games or come off the bench in some. There is no way he is the finished article yet but he shows good promise of developing into it (more than Sahar I think) and we need to give him the chance to develop at our level, not at Championship level. You could do that, however I think it needs to be realised that though Scott Sinclair is a decent prospect, I haven't seen anything in him to suggest he is a Wayne Rooney or John Obi Mikel. Are we to start risking premiership points so we can give decent but not outstanding youngsters a run in the side?. It's quite possible now that our youth team has some outstanding prospects in there that will ultimately prove to be far better players than Sinclair and Sahar may turn out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I would agree about the risking points if the players we would be leaving out to give him that chance are performng well however quite frankly I don't think Malouda or SWP are offering a better quality option just now and so I don't think playing Sinclair on the left hand side is any more or less of a risk than playing Malouda there. Maybe I should clarify that I am not writing off Malouda entirely, just saying that whilst his form is as patchy as it is there no reason why we shouldn't consider Sinclair ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I still consider Malouda a far better option at this point. I don't beleive he is as bad as people make out and though his looked poor for 89 minutes of a match, his often been the player who has created to winner through an incisive pass or cross. I think if we started playing Sinclair against the top teams he'd run around, try his heart out but would ultimately lack that extra bit of quality we need to ultimately needed to break a team down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I will grant you that Malouda, after doing less than nothing for large periods of games has pulled a rabbit out of a hat and put in a cracking pass to set up a goal on a couple of occasions. However in terms of opening up a tight defence with a little bit of trickery I actually think Sinclair has shown more capability of doing it than Malouda (albeit we have seen very little of Sinclair) - Malouda's lack of appetite and/or ability to take on a full back has been frightening to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I will grant you that Malouda, after doing less than nothing for large periods of games has pulled a rabbit out of a hat and put in a cracking pass to set up a goal on a couple of occasions. However in terms of opening up a tight defence with a little bit of trickery I actually think Sinclair has shown more capability of doing it than Malouda (albeit we have seen very little of Sinclair) - Malouda's lack of appetite and/or ability to take on a full back has been frightening to see. I can see a case for both players and when Malouda had a run in the team I really hoped he would find some form, I kept thinking I would prefer Sinclair in that position but had a sneaky feeling that if Malouda kept playing we would get benefit from it in the latter stages of the season, I must admit that for me he has taken too long to show that he can do more than pick out a telling pass here and there and I would likely put Sinclair in front of him now, That said I still feel Kalou could do the Job with more experience at this important stage. I also would like to see more of SWP in his more central role and its getting hard to accomadate everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 my only worry with using young players in the prem, is thistory is full of promiding youngsters who were blooded too early, then dissapeared into oblivion. and lets be honest, the management and coches at the club will have a better grasp as to the progress and ability of our young players. and therefore should know exactly what is needed. i think clubs use the lower leagues almost as a toughening up experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g3.7 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 You can no longer loan players to another Premiership club Qaz (at least I don't think you can). ... of course you can. can't you? I thought man united loaned sunderland that evans guy the had last sesason in january. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 im pretty sure you can. isnt guthrie on loan at bolton from the dippers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 You may well be right - Ijust thought something had been passed last summer, maybe there was just talk of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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