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Gary Neville still crying about it 5 minutes later, shut the f**k up you weasel

f**k off Neville you rat faced big nosed f**king tosser

Wtf... No comment from that prick Neville either, he shouldn't be commentating United games.

Ziyech showing great glimpses of quality and then glimpses of I don't give a f**k, it really looks like an attitude problem. You can't just stroll games like this, put more effort into it.

Ball from Ziyech, that's what you want from him.

f**king state of Maguire lmao

Tuchel isn't going to stick with 5 at the back, he's only doing it for the time being.

I don't know, I still have hope Pulisic will have a part to play this season, at the moment with our current fixture congestion it's hard to slot him into the side.

That's what's shocked me most of all, I expected Werner to definitely start this game, that's the most surprising decision.

Abraham not even on the bench, oooff, I don't think Tuchel is a big fan.

If that's true, that's a VERY surprising team, I wouldn't have expected that.

He's levels above Kante imo.

Considering we've fired managers for less, who are more accomplished, I don't see why you have to be under this illusion that sacking Frank went against football protocol. Managers very rarely serve out their contracts. If a club wants rid of a manager, they don't wait until their contract expires, they sack them, simple as that.

They sacked other managers for less, more accomplished ones, why should Frank get this privilege while others don't? Especially Di Matteo who accomplished a lot more in a shorter time and got given less time than Frank ever did. Being under this illusion that managers have to serve out their contract is just silly, no manager here has served their full contract, it very rarely happens. Last season was an anomoly, we'll never have a season like that again (hopefully not), and he was picked on the circumstance. He wouldn't have gotten the job otherwise.

I'm not missing the point at all. Chelsea isn't the place you start your career, and Guardiola won the league in his first season at Barcelona, while already managing Barcelona B, just like Zidane was with Madrid, both of them had instant success. Frank didn't, people in their position have to hit the ground running, or else. But yeah, I'm the one who keeps missing the point, meanwhile lets keep comparing Frank to great managers who've won things and pretend they're the exact same thing.

He's not though, the pair of you have one argument and that's it. Frank Lampard, if that's the hill you want to die on so be it. Loads of our fans turned their backs on Jose, I bet many on here did, I didn't, so how can I be one of the most fickle fans you've met because I didn't back Frank Lampard? Ancelotti came here after winning two Champions League's with AC Milan. Jose Mourinho came here after winning a Champions League with Porto, then came back here after winning it with Inter, every trophy in Italy, every trophy in Spain, already had success at Chelsea. Di Matteo won us an F.A. Cup and a Champions League in the space of 5 months here. Are you really going to compare them and think that's a fair comparison? Frank's CV is nowhere near there's. And sorry, but did Liverpool give Klopp the job after Mainz? Did we give Ancelotti the job after Reggiana? No, so why is that relevant?

I really don't want to get into all this again. But come on, it wasn't just about a minor slump, like others have pointed out, Frank had no experience, no CV, nothing. That was the deal changer. If Frank came here after winning a Serie A at Napoli, or got into a Champions League final with Wolfsburg, do you really think I would be that dismissive of his ability to turn things around here and be the manager we need to win titles? I was never optimistic on Frank to begin with, I said before last season he would be gone by November/December, that's how much confidence I had in a manager with no experience in such a difficult job at the time. Even after that I said, if the defence isn't sorted, we have to start asking serious questions. Credit to him, he did that and things were going well early, I got very optimistic about it, then things took a dive. But here's the thing, I stuck by Jose despite how awful things were, I stuck by Ancelotti and that sacking still annoys me to this day, I wanted Di Matteo to have more time. But because I changed my opinion on Frank, again a manager who's won nothing and only started his job just over 2 years ago, I'm one of the most fickle fans you've met? A load of rubbish. I know many people who wanted Jose gone in that 3rd season, I wasn't one of them, and it was one of my most humiliating experiences as a Chelsea fan having to defend him week in week out when fans were turning against him.

And like I said, the games to goals is very misleading, check out his minutes to goals, they are far superior. A lot of games he's played in he's came on with 2 minutes left.

Sorry what did you say?

I think that's very harsh, I would say about 13 Premier League clubs at the very least would snap him up. He had a great goal record for Villa and they wanted to keep him after promotion. They would've done aswell if it wasn't for our transfer ban situation. But Tammy was exceptional last season, he really delivered in the goal department for the first 6 months until he got injured, that can't be forgotten. Also this season, he's still our top scorer despite some sh*te performances, got to give credit where it's due.

Alonso for hall his faults imo has an amazing first touch and ball control, his passing is also very good. Then you've also got his technique, shooting, etc. But his crossing is piss poor, he's slow as f**k, and his defending at times can be comedy. I'm in the middle with him.

Good point, didn't consider that.

He can be our Del Pierro, keep him here for another 10 years.

I didn't even know about that tbf, that's disgusting... You must have done a good job getting rid of him because I'm pretty active on here and I didn't see that tosspot.

Spot on. With our record at Old Trafford over the past 10 or so years, it's been awful. We've only had like 2 wins there, something stupid like that. And with the number of times Ole kept getting results against us even though we were outplaying his team each and every time, it was the correct time to make adjustments and frustrate them. We did that, and the point was better for us than them. Just like the point Spurs got at the Bridge was better for them than it was for us.