lil-drogba11 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Do you think the 4-4-2 Diamond formation working for Chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PloKoon13 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Not yet. It doesn't look like Ancelotti's going to change his mind on it any time soon, so it looks like we're going to have to try and make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Not yet. It doesn't look like Ancelotti's going to change his mind on it any time soon, so it looks like we're going to have to try and make it work. 2 games, for the love of god weve only played 2 games. one of which was basically a friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PloKoon13 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 2 games, for the love of god weve only played 2 games. one of which was basically a friendly. That's why I said "Not yet" and not "OH WOE BETIDE WE'RE DOOMED". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 That's why I said "Not yet" and not "OH WOE BETIDE WE'RE DOOMED". fair enough, though "we dont know yet" would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 fair enough, though "we dont know yet" would have been better. grumpy sod :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 grumpy sod :angry: i am arent i. i might take a bit of an holiday from here for a while as im getting far too angry of late. not good for the blood pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 i am arent i. i might take a bit of an holiday from here for a while as im getting far too angry of late. not good for the blood pressure I'm sure moi could recommend a place but it would be conditional on the case you take. I believe you will need a lower case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksimov Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Didn't Frank say just before our first league match that the diamond is not our only formation this season? I think it was in an article on the official site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I'm sure moi could recommend a place but it would be conditional on the case you take. I believe you will need a lower case dont you bloody start, i get enough of that from moi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 dont you bloody start, i get enough of that from moi. there you go again.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clubhappy Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) We are conceding goals. Going 1-0 down then coming back to win. Community Shield went 1-0 down then Carvalho equalised then Lampard scored to make it 2-1 then Rooney scored.2-2 and we eventually won on penalties. Hull city at home. That scumbag Hunt scored because we were sloppy at the back. Then Drogba scored a brilliant free-kick. Then Drogba got lucky in the 91st minute with a brialliant goal but it was really a cross to Kalou. Edited August 16, 2009 by clubhappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalpitv Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 We are conceding goals. Going 1-0 down then coming back to win. Community Shield went 1-0 down then Carvalho equalised then Lampard scored to make it 2-1 then Rooney scored.2-2 and we eventually won on penalties. Hull city at home. That scumbag Hunt scored because we were sloppy at the back. Then Drogba scored a brilliant free-kick. Then Drogba got lucky in the 91st minute with a brialliant goal but it was really a cross to Kalou. Yeah. I am totally with clubhappy on that one. Coming from behind is not always the best idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Yeah. I am totally with clubhappy on that one.Coming from behind is not always the best idea! Not sure Jermaine Jenas would agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Not sure Jermaine Jenas would agree with you :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitBlue Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Didn't Frank say just before our first league match that the diamond is not our only formation this season? I think it was in an article on the official site. Yeah he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I'm a touch concerned with how one of our players for the future (Mikel) has been playing so sloppy. Also, our marquee signing will be moving Frank from the tip of the diamond to his normal position, thus adding another 20 goals to the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3blu Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I know its only been a couple of games, and if we'd have taken some of our chances the game against Hull would have been different but i do worry about the diamond formation at home. I've said it before about teams coming to park the bus at the bridge and how it could be a long frustrating season at times. We need to be more clinical in front of goal for 1, an early goal for us would have brought Hull out and the last thing we want to do again is give these teams something to defend. I would still like us to sign somebody to play at the tip of the diamond, somebody who can turn and take players on in the tight games(cole might be the man). Lampard is much better picking up the ball deep and spraying his passes than he is on the edge of the box with his back to goal. He is also better making late runs into the box from those deeper positions. Its still early days so i would'nt start changing anything just yet, we need to give it time for the players to adapt and the manager to get his ideas accross properly but i'd still like another attacking option. Especially with Drogba and Kalou missing in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDay Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Man U are a top side and Hull played their hearts out yet we won both. This with playing a different formation than what the players are used to. Yet there seems to be some people leaning towards the negative, some people will never be pleased. 2 wins out of 2 in in the teams first competitive games using a totally new formation is really good. No matter how we won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikstaw Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I think that is good formation. My favourite football team-Polonia Warsaw, in 2000 played that formation, and they were champions. :angry: Good luck Carlo. Greetings form Poland! C'mon Chelsea!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanl5182 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Man U are a top side and Hull played their hearts out yet we won both. This with playing a different formation than what the players are used to. Yet there seems to be some people leaning towards the negative, some people will never be pleased.2 wins out of 2 in in the teams first competitive games using a totally new formation is really good. No matter how we won. I don't think the 2 wins thing is valid, as it was very close to 2 draws. Man Utd was a draw and was it not for a huge bit of luck with Drogba's 'cross' it would have been a draw against Hull. I am becoming more confident in the diamond, but I can't stress enough how Carlo needs to have a backup plan and be prepared to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) Man U are a top side and Hull played their hearts out yet we won both. This with playing a different formation than what the players are used to. Yet there seems to be some people leaning towards the negative, some people will never be pleased.2 wins out of 2 in in the teams first competitive games using a totally new formation is really good. No matter how we won. One was a draw and one a narrow win only secured in the closing moments with a huge slice of luck. I think it'll be better to talk more about whether the formation is working or not after, say, this month. Currently it does not seem to be working, though, by the way we played in the two games and considering we do not have players suited to play narrow, through crowded areas. Edited August 17, 2009 by rahuldotchelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 One was a draw and one a narrow win only secured in the closing moments with a huge slice of luck. I think it'll be better to talk more about whether the formation is working or not after, say, this month. Currently it does not seem to be working, though, by the way we played in the two games and considering we do not have players suited to play narrow, through crowded areas. here we go again.were two games into a new style of playing, under a new mamnager, with new training methods. in both games we created more than the opposition, could easily have won both by a few goals (certainly the hull one, with a bit more sharpness we cuold have won 5-1 or more) and were the better side. im not sure what exactly you expect? did you think we would win both games 8-0? would you be happy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Sun Tzu Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) It is fairly clear that if we use Lamps at the top of the diamond we are hampering his main strength which is running from deep and having space and time to spread the play. His assist against Villa last year aside, Lamps is not one to work in tight paces using dribbling technique to open up play. The players that we have that are suited to this are Joe and (as much as I can't stand him) Deco. So if we play one of them at the tip and drop Lamps back we left with two positions to fill. Essien in my book is pretty much undroppable and even though I think we curtail his great strengths, he has to fill the base of the diamond as it is plainly obvious that Mikel can't do this job, his passing is too slow and unvaried, his tackles iffy at best and is positionally naive. That leaves on position to fill which I guess is Malouda or Zhirkov as they are the only players adept at moving out wide and getting behind the opposition. That we don't manage to do so nearly often enough is becuase we don't have the right type of player to partner Drogba, a player that is able to drop and add an extra player to the midfield - rather as Rooney does for Man U and Van Persie does for Arsenal - that would allow Malouda or Zhirkov to provide width. Anelka is not that player. Nor is Kalou. Nor is Sturridge. We should have signed Aguero as he fits the mould perfectly. Perhaps all this talk of a diamond system is just bluff. I suppose that what Carlo ideally wants is a totally fluid midfield that can adapt to all type of midfield formation depending on how play is panning out. We shall see. At the moment though, it worries me. Edited August 17, 2009 by Blue Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evissy Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 One was a draw and one a narrow win only secured in the closing moments with a huge slice of luck. I think it'll be better to talk more about whether the formation is working or not after, say, this month. Currently it does not seem to be working, though, by the way we played in the two games and considering we do not have players suited to play narrow, through crowded areas. We won those games no matter what. ManU and Hull certaily didn't win them. What does it tell about their game. Anyway these two victories weren't convincing and the diamond need time to work properly. Especially Lampard needs time to adjust. He has less time and space to hold the ball so he needs to find new ways to open the game and get into shooting positions. Carlo said we have to be patient and believe it will work. Lampard was also pleased with the new tactic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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