Boga and Musonda are both slight yet have been developed at this club to be number 10s - the issue is where do they go from now? How do they make a step-up to professional football? A six-month loan to Brentford where the manager might include them but if they don't hit the ground running then they're dropped because that guy NEEDS to stave off relegation to save his job?

 

Messi's first professional game wasn't for Barcelona.

 

Every club is under some sort of pressure. That's just the reality of football and at some point players have to sink or swim. If that player we loan to Brentford is good enough, then chances are the manager will pick him. But if this player can't make any impression at Brentford, then you have to ask how he'll ever make one at Chelsea.

 

As a case in point look at Bamford. He has been loaned to three different clubs, in different parts of the country, with different managers, different sets of players, all under pressure in different ways, and each loan has been a success. Why? Because he's done the business and forced his way into the team. That's why I have higher hopes for him than a lot of our youth.

Every club is under some sort of pressure. That's just the reality of football and at some point players have to sink or swim. If that player we loan to Brentford is good enough, then chances are the manager will pick him. But if this player can't make any impression at Brentford, then you have to ask how he'll ever make one at Chelsea.

 

As a case in point look at Bamford. He has been loaned to three different clubs, in different parts of the country, with different managers, different sets of players, all under pressure in different ways, and each loan has been a success. Why? Because he's done the business and forced his way into the team. That's why I have higher hopes for him than a lot of our youth.

 

Another case would be Chalobah who was excellent at Watford but then struggled at Forest under Billy Davies before rebounding under Karanka at Boro and Clarke at Reading. 

 

It's about getting the right loan and hoping things turn out right but it's a very imprecise science. Neither Harry Kane or Ross Barkley set the world alight on loan yet got a chance either through luck or simply because their manager had no other choice. What we need is a better development paths for young players.

Another case would be Chalobah who was excellent at Watford but then struggled at Forest under Billy Davies before rebounding under Karanka at Boro and Clarke at Reading. 

 

It's about getting the right loan and hoping things turn out right but it's a very imprecise science. Neither Harry Kane or Ross Barkley set the world alight on loan yet got a chance either through luck or simply because their manager had no other choice. What we need is a better development paths for young players.

 

Do you think Bamford has just been lucky to get the right club three times? Chalobah also had a spell at Burnley where he didn't have much impact.

 

I agree loan spells are not the be all and end all but it is one way of taking your chance and being noticed. It's harder to overlook a player who is consistently doing the business for other clubs. At the age of 21, Bamford has 45 goals in 105 games at Football League level. To me that makes him a better bet for our squad than any of our other young players.

The problem with squad restriction rules etc is they need to be applied everywhere not just in one country.

Do you think Bamford has just been lucky to get the right club three times? Chalobah also had a spell at Burnley where he didn't have much impact.

 

 

I think he's been fortunate but when given the chance in the right environment he's excelled. Robinson at MK Dons gave youth a chance and at both Derby (could've been given more time as striker) and Boro he's been in good teams. Chalobah at Burnley was a disastrous move but at Watford, Boro and now Reading he's been put in a position to succeed. 

 

 

I agree loan spells are not the be all and end all but it is one way of taking your chance and being noticed. It's harder to overlook a player who is consistently doing the business for other clubs. At the age of 21, Bamford has 45 goals in 105 games at Football League level. To me that makes him a better bet for our squad than any of our other young players.

 

Making that step is obviously important which is why I'm saying we should be looking for ways to make that transition easier. B-teams in my opinion are one way to do that.

its ironic in this age of political correctness, kick racism out of football that this 

fat twat Dyke is proposing discriminatory regs that clearly prevent professional

footballers from a targeted group from plying their trade in the prem/ other leagues, other 

European leagues seem to welcome foreign players far easier than England does, yet 

their national teams are far superior than the recurrent disappointing fare that is England FC

 

As currently we are the only top 4 team with only 1 England player I am sure Dyke is part

of the wider ongoing anti-Chelsea conspiracy, and that this reg is tailored at hurting Chelsea FC 

 

 

As currently we are the only top 4 team with only 1 England player I am sure Dyke is part

of the wider ongoing anti-Chelsea conspiracy, and that this reg is tailored at hurting Chelsea FC 

 

 

I know that's a joke, but you've had thought that the most successful youth academy of the last few years would be a pretty strong way to deal with this new ruling.

 

What it may do is force us to actually start playing young English talent, something I think we all want to see.

Seems like this will encourage the likes of ourselves, Arsenal, United, City etc to go out there and snap up the next big stars at ages like 12, 13, 14 and 15 to met this new rule and make them "home grown"

 

Will be the smaller clubs that get screwed over as they will lose these guys for peanuts compared to the potential of selling them as a more developed prospect.

Seems like this will encourage the likes of ourselves, Arsenal, United, City etc to go out there and snap up the next big stars at ages like 12, 13, 14 and 15 to met this new rule and make them "home grown"

 

Will be the smaller clubs that get screwed over as they will lose these guys for peanuts compared to the potential of selling them as a more developed prospect.

 

We're already doing that though. 

 

Dyke's proposals seem designed to force teams to use young homegrown players by giving them no other choice when what's needed is help in developing these youngsters in the first place.

 

The rules on coaching youngsters need amending and there needs to be something in between academy football and Premier League football that is more manageable than the loan system.

 

Kick some teams out of the league and create b-teams.

This has nothing to do with foreign players, it is to do with coaching methods. until we fully adopt the dutch methods of coaching as every other major european country has done, we are going to be a backwater in terms of success.

This has nothing to do with foreign players, it is to do with coaching methods. until we fully adopt the dutch methods of coaching as every other major european country has done, we are going to be a backwater in terms of success.

 

I agree that football coaching in this country needs investment, but do you think that there's a problem at clubs like our's with that?

This has nothing to do with foreign players, it is to do with coaching methods. until we fully adopt the dutch methods of coaching as every other major european country has done, we are going to be a backwater in terms of success.

 

All these rules seem to do is pass the blame onto everyone and anyone rather than looking to accept that perhaps our players just aren't that good right now. 

 

You at Germany, they overhauled their youth and coaching set ups following a poor international showing and looked long term, they knew there wasn't a quick fix with regards to national talent. 

 

Dykes effectively saying, you've got to play English lads regardless of their ability because there's a chance we might perform better at an international competition some day. 

 

To hell with the standard of football in the Premier League, who wants the best players in the world when we can have good ol' English talent... More Andy Carroll's, that's what the Premier League needs. 

its ironic in this age of political correctness, kick racism out of football that this 

fat twat Dyke is proposing discriminatory regs that clearly prevent professional

footballers from a targeted group from plying their trade in the prem/ other leagues, other 

European leagues seem to welcome foreign players far easier than England does, yet 

their national teams are far superior than the recurrent disappointing fare that is England FC

 

As currently we are the only top 4 team with only 1 England player I am sure Dyke is part

of the wider ongoing anti-Chelsea conspiracy, and that this reg is tailored at hurting Chelsea FC 

 

 

You may well think this, but it seems that we [as a body of Chelsea fans] cannot comment without constantly being dismissed en bloc as paranoid conspiracy theorists. Greg Dyke likes his [for want of a better phrase] ‘com-missionary position’ on most matters, which is all very well if you invite the right kind of people to be your bedfellows, but it can appear very wrong when Rio Ferdinand happens to get an invite. Even more disturbing is that this is exactly the situation here, with the flakiest (to use the word for full confectionary effect) of tweeting individuals being given licence to speak on behalf of an organisation that can ill afford further bad publicity heaped on, because it‘s so choc[ka] already. 

 

Let’s face it, Greg, supping with this ex-Devil was always going to be fraught with embarrassment, but really there is no excuse when you’re seen to be actually encouraging the guy, as in this instance, by parroting his particular dislike [of Chelsea] without due care and attention to, what is, in essence, Rio’s own agenda. Lest anybody out there thinks I’m exaggerating as only Chels fans do, here are a couple of mitigating quotes to ponder…       

 

"I thought Rio Ferdinand's column [claiming that managers such as Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho may not be giving young English players a chance] was in some ways quite depressing. It virtually said Mourinho is virtually saying he is not going to play the kids anyway. Why have an academy then?”

 

Greg Dyke (FA chairman) 24th March, 2015.

 

Oh dear, how Dyke-depressed can you get in just a few short sentences? Personally, I reached a state of manic depression shortly after realising that the FA chairman not only reads SunSport, but he’s prepared to openly admit to it as well! Doubtless he would respond by pointing out the all-embracing nature of his FA role, the giving-of-a-chance to those best suited to comment, the very basis of commission-driven consensus. More fool me for thinking otherwise, then, especially when it is so undeniably obvious that Rio Ferdinand knows all there is to know about Chelsea’s Academy and the players that are either coming out of it now, or those that have long since departed, their faith in becoming the England player they thought they should have been completely cowed at Cobham.  

 

But wait, unlike the deaf and depressed Mr Dyke, didn’t I hear somewhere the sound of a tabloid’s tub-thumping drums banging on behalf of Mr Ferdinand only a few days ago? Yep, and so will you, if you put your ear to the ground around about here…

 

“Manchester United want Rio Ferdinand back at Old Trafford to help spearhead an Ajax-style coaching revolution. Plans are underway for a major shake-up of United’s Acadamy set-up with boss Louis van Gaal at the centre of an initiative to go Dutch with the club’s approach to youth development. And they would like Ferdinand to re-join the Old Trafford staff once he quits his playing days at QPR in the summer.”

 

Steve Bates (Daily Express) 21st March, 2015.

 

A major shake-up needed at United’s Academy… who knew? Certainly not Greg or Rio, otherwise I’m sure they would have told us, instead of digging out a club that’s about to contest its fourth FA Youth Cup final in five years. Truth be told, we must be doing something right and maybe, just maybe, the kids involved over that 5yr period simply weren’t good enough to kick-on to full International status, never mind first team level for their club. And perhaps, if there were any youngsters springing readily to mind, Rio would be good enough to tell us their names, preferably before he trots off to spearhead his Ajax-style coaching revolution elsewhere - old hand at Ajax revolutions, eh Rio? 

 

In the meantime we’ll wait to see if Patrick Bamford bucks a trend that’s lasted far too long for our liking, let alone the liking of those who jump on bandwagons, fraudulently act as though they know better, but in fact know b****r all. 

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