http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32024808

 

Something dear to many posters' hearts. Seems like these changes will make a genuine attempt to give more chances to home grown players. They are intending to bring the definition of "Home Grown" as close to "British" as possible.

 

 - The age to become home grown to be reduced from 21 to 18 years.

 - Increase in home grown players requirement from 8 to 12 by the year 2020.

 - Further limiting work permits for non-EU players.

 

What do the folk on here think of the proposal

 

edit: thread probably needs to move to general football sub-forum.

Edited March 23, 201511 yr by Indigo_Blue

It's probably designed to help the national team but we'll still be as sh*t as ever.

It's probably designed to help the national team but we'll still be as sh*t as ever.

come on, you must remember the 80's when all our top teams had mainly English players and our national side was amazing, winning loads......

 - Further limiting work permits for non-EU players.

 

But under EU freedom of movement and employment laws, they aren't allowed to place similar restrictions on players from other EU countries. Which rather limits the effectiveness of any ideas like this.

But under EU freedom of movement and employment laws, they aren't allowed to place similar restrictions on players from other EU countries. Which rather limits the effectiveness of any ideas like this.

 

The other change it seems in intended to limit the non-english EU players. when you need 12 home grown players and only players who can be home grown are now those who play in england from the age of 14 or lower.

 

Given how rare the transfers of u15 players are, this would essentially limit the EU players too.

But under EU freedom of movement and employment laws, they aren't allowed to place similar restrictions on players from other EU countries. Which rather limits the effectiveness of any ideas like this.

 

Not if Nigel Farage has his way.

English players are sh*t it's only going to affect the European chances of the teams in the CL which the media seem so obsessed about recently. Saying that we have some of the best young English talents in our youth set up.

Not if Nigel Farage has his way.

 

Even if he does, it's not likely to solve the problem. The Germans, the Italians, the Spanish and the French are all in the EU and it doesn't stop them producing good players.

Even if he does, it's not likely to solve the problem. The Germans, the Italians, the Spanish and the French are all in the EU and it doesn't stop them producing good players.

 

Come on mate, you're not telling me Iniesta is better than Wishere.

Come on mate, you're not telling me Iniesta is better than Wishere.

 

I still think Tim Sherwood was better than Zidane!

I still think Tim Sherwood was better than Zidane!

 

I think Tim might agree with you.

I think Tim might agree with you.

 

And Jack Walker.

I hate these rules.

I hate the idea that a Premier League club somehow owes something to the national side and that an failings at international level are always rooted in club football.

I hate the idea of players being at a club mearly to meet quotas.

Premier League clubs already pay a premium for English players, even the mediocre ones. Rules like this will just further inflate their prices and you'll see clubs like ourselves and City hording players to meet a quota rather than being there on merit.

Unless the rest of the leagues in UEFA introduces similar rules the Premier League is going to be playing with it's boot laces tied together and it'll become a hindrance to clubs seeking European success.

Just out of interest how does this affect Bertrand Traore.  Sounds like it'll be impossible for him to come over.

No doubt the quality of the PL will go down.

I do agree that there is alot of medicore foriegn players. As much as I think Flipe Luis is a good player, I haven't seen too much to suggest hes £20m better than Bertrand.

The stricter visa rules will mean that only the best players will get a visa. You have to play 30% of international matches to get one. Ouch.

The FA should study the Germans, the most successful international football team in the World, look at their league, look at how they develop their youngsters at grass roots level, look at how they bring them through the International set up as a unit of players. 

It could mean squad places go to young English players like RLC/Baker though couldn't it? Because we wouldn't want to pay inflated prices for English players otherwise really. I still don't like it.

Go back to the late 70's -mid 80's, English clubs dominated European club competitions with mainly British players.

 

But the International team in this same period was probably the least successful England team of all time.

This won't improve the national team, all it will do is weaken the Premier League and make it harder for Premier League teams to do well in Europe. I care far more about club football than i do international football, and the majority of football fans will agree.

 

England won piss all in the 70's, 80's and 90's and the leagues were full of English players. Premier League football clubs aren't the reason why young English footballers fail to become top players. It's the attitudes of young English players today and the backwards coaching they get when they are first starting out.

 

How many youngsters do you hear about getting told that they won't make it because the are too short and not strong enough ? i have heard this excuse used plenty of times over the years. Most of the best players in the world right now are short players.

Not too disappointed with this because our academy puts us in a good position going forward and it might force the club to use youngsters, but I think we'll be hamstrung until there's a better path for young players to take that step up from academy football to professional football.

 

B-Teams.

 

The last two world cup winning teams and the top teams in the world all seem to have players who started their careers at a team with a capital 'b' at the end of their name. But the grand pyramid of British football and the 1,439 people who turn out to watch Accrington Stanley are too valuable for us to countenance allowing the best teams in the land to have a second team to develop the future of English football.

 

Until that happens then it really doesn't matter how much you restrict a team's overseas squad numbers.

This won't improve the national team, all it will do is weaken the Premier League and make it harder for Premier League teams to do well in Europe. I care far more about club football than i do international football, and the majority of football fans will agree.

England won piss all in the 70's, 80's and 90's and the leagues were full of English players. Premier League football clubs aren't the reason why young English footballers fail to become top players. It's the attitudes of young English players today and the backwards coaching they get when they are first starting out.

How many youngsters do you hear about getting told that they won't make it because the are too short and not strong enough ? i have heard this excuse used plenty of times over the years. Most of the best players in the world right now are short players.

This won't improve the national team, all it will do is weaken the Premier League and make it harder for Premier League teams to do well in Europe. I care far more about club football than i do international football, and the majority of football fans will agree.

 

England won piss all in the 70's, 80's and 90's and the leagues were full of English players. 

 

 

Weren't the late 1970s to mid-1980s when our clubs were most successful in Europe. 3 English clubs won 7 European Cups within the space of a decade and in the 1986 and 1990 World Cups our side went out to the eventual champions both times, once on penalties and once due to one of the worst bits of officiating in the sport ever.

 

Not that it's an argument, just that your's perhaps isn't as strong as you thought. 

 

There is talent in this country but it's hard to properly develop it when the demands on teams at the top (either fighting for a title or fighting for Europe or staving off relegation) make development of talent less of a priority than it should be. Maybe this levels the playing field.

Weren't the late 1970s to mid-1980s when our clubs were most successful in Europe. 3 English clubs won 7 European Cups within the space of a decade and in the 1986 and 1990 World Cups our side went out to the eventual champions both times, once on penalties and once due to one of the worst bits of officiating in the sport ever.

 

Not that it's an argument, just that your's perhaps isn't as strong as you thought. 

 

There is talent in this country but it's hard to properly develop it when the demands on teams at the top (either fighting for a title or fighting for Europe or staving off relegation) make development of talent less of a priority than it should be. Maybe this levels the playing field.

 

But good performances in 86 and 90 were sandwiched between not even qualifying in in 74, 78 and 94, and a few dreadful Euros showings. You could add that some of our better showings in tournaments (three QFs 2002-06) were when there were lots of foreign players in the PL.

 

Teams around Europe are also fighting for titles or battling relegation. They're under as much pressure to succeed and foreign players are every bit as available there (probably more so, as many continental countries have laxer work permit rules than here). Yet it doesn't stop the Germans or the Spanish producing good players.

 

The fundamental problem is we don't produce enough top level players here, whatever the reasons. I can't help but think part of that reason is if Messi were English he'd be playing left midfield in a 4-4-2, if he hadn't just been told not to bother because he's too small to be a footballer anyway.

But good performances in 86 and 90 were sandwiched between not even qualifying in in 74, 78 and 94, and a few dreadful Euros showings. You could add that some of our better showings in tournaments (three QFs 2002-06) were when there were lots of foreign players in the PL.

 

 

That's true and I think it's not entirely a deciding factor. We had an incredibly strong core of players over the last 10-12 years but couldn't capitalise on that.

 

 

Teams around Europe are also fighting for titles or battling relegation. They're under as much pressure to succeed and foreign players are every bit as available there (probably more so, as many continental countries have laxer work permit rules than here). Yet it doesn't stop the Germans or the Spanish producing good players.

 

Again I think the difference in the way our leagues are set up is a factor, but Barca and Real Madrid certainly have an economic strength that the rest of the teams don't because of the way TV rights are set up there.

 

 

The fundamental problem is we don't produce enough top level players here, whatever the reasons. I can't help but think part of that reason is if Messi were English he'd be playing left midfield in a 4-4-2, if he hadn't just been told not to bother because he's too small to be a footballer anyway.

 

Boga and Musonda are both slight yet have been developed at this club to be number 10s - the issue is where do they go from now? How do they make a step-up to professional football? A six-month loan to Brentford where the manager might include them but if they don't hit the ground running then they're dropped because that guy NEEDS to stave off relegation to save his job?

 

Messi's first professional game wasn't for Barcelona.

Edited March 24, 201511 yr by Blue Daze