loz Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Two late goals for him in the Israel Estonia match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksimov Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Second one was a beauty too. Lets hope this kid dosn't have to pay the price of being born in a country with military rules like theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 Second one was a beauty too.Lets hope this kid dosn't have to pay the price of being born in a country with military rules like theirs. For purely selfish reasons I would agree but being rational about it I would have to say that he shouldn't be allowed to get out of it just because he is a good football player (unless there is precedent already set) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 True, but it such a waste. An arrogant waste. No one should have to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 True, but it such a waste. An arrogant waste.No one should have to do it. Agreed. NOt sure what the deal is in ISrael - does it have to be military related or is there an opt out where you can do some sort of civil duties instead (which is the way I think it is in Italy) Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksimov Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 This is what I found on the subject: Conscription extends at present to all able-bodied persons, as they reach the age of 18 - three years for males and two for females.Exceptions are made for students of yeshivot (religious seminars), whose mobilization may be deferred as long as their studies continue. At last count, the number of these deferments amounted to some 6% of those aged 18. This has been a perennial subject for political debate - but the rule stands. The IDF may decide on deferment on its own initiative, when a student studies a subject of particular interest. Thus, a student of medicine may first finish his or her studies, and subsequently do obligatory service in the Medical Corps; similarly, each year a number of future engineers, technicians, attorneys, psychologists, economists, etc., will have their service deferred until they finish their studies. The IDF also selects each year a few outstanding students in the exact sciences, who will simultaneously complete a special abridged academic program leading to a B.Sc. degree and officers' training; they undertake to subsequently serve for a number of years, primarily in weapons research and development. New immigrants are not inducted during their first year in the country, unless they waive the deferment - which many of them do. Military service of newcomers, side by side with old-timers, has proved to be a. powerful instrument for successful integration. The minorities are exempted, except the Druze. The Druze leaders decided, early on, to throw in the lot of their community with the nascent Jewish state and, as a token of loyalty, voluntarily waived the exemption to which they were entitled. Some Bedouin tribes have a tradition of voluntary service, primarily as trackers, an art in which they have excelled for generations. The term of service for women is at present two years. A woman may be exempted on the basis of a declaration saying that she is opposed to conscription on religious grounds. Married women are also exempted, and women who marry during their compulsory service are released forthwith. Conscription has become deeply ingrained over the years. Not to have served in the IDF has in the past been regarded as a disgrace; moreover it has been a real impediment to future civilian careers. Here in Finland almost all able bodied and psychologically sound men have to serve some sort of service period. Most go for the military service, because it's shorter, but there is the choice of doing a period of civil duties or serving time in the prison. YES, you read it...prison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moos Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 This is what I found on the subject:Conscription extends at present to all able-bodied persons, as they reach the age of 18 - three years for males and two for females.Exceptions are made for students of yeshivot (religious seminars), whose mobilization may be deferred as long as their studies continue. At last count, the number of these deferments amounted to some 6% of those aged 18. This has been a perennial subject for political debate - but the rule stands. The IDF may decide on deferment on its own initiative, when a student studies a subject of particular interest. Thus, a student of medicine may first finish his or her studies, and subsequently do obligatory service in the Medical Corps; similarly, each year a number of future engineers, technicians, attorneys, psychologists, economists, etc., will have their service deferred until they finish their studies. The IDF also selects each year a few outstanding students in the exact sciences, who will simultaneously complete a special abridged academic program leading to a B.Sc. degree and officers' training; they undertake to subsequently serve for a number of years, primarily in weapons research and development. New immigrants are not inducted during their first year in the country, unless they waive the deferment - which many of them do. Military service of newcomers, side by side with old-timers, has proved to be a. powerful instrument for successful integration. The minorities are exempted, except the Druze. The Druze leaders decided, early on, to throw in the lot of their community with the nascent Jewish state and, as a token of loyalty, voluntarily waived the exemption to which they were entitled. Some Bedouin tribes have a tradition of voluntary service, primarily as trackers, an art in which they have excelled for generations. The term of service for women is at present two years. A woman may be exempted on the basis of a declaration saying that she is opposed to conscription on religious grounds. Married women are also exempted, and women who marry during their compulsory service are released forthwith. Conscription has become deeply ingrained over the years. Not to have served in the IDF has in the past been regarded as a disgrace; moreover it has been a real impediment to future civilian careers. Here in Finland almost all able bodied and psychologically sound men have to serve some sort of service period. Most go for the military service, because it's shorter, but there is the choice of doing a period of civil duties or serving time in the prison. YES, you read it...prison! I think we have the same here in Sweden or atleast we used to have the same. My older brother didn't want to do any military service so he could have been sent to jail. In the end he got to be chef on some sort of boat used in the army or something like that. Nowadays it's a bit different I think. I didn't have to do anything at all because I didn't want too. The military gets less and less money so they usually spend it on people who wants to do some military service instead of forcing unwilling people to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergeyMS Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 post links plz..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sindre Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Sahar`s goals: http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x1khy ... estonia-30 http://dailymotion.alice.it/visited/sea ... estonia-40 The last goal is fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergeyMS Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Is it possible to download it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (which is the way I think it is in Italy) Anyone know? I believe you have to do military training. Also the Italian option of switching sides at the last minute is not available either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdan Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 He'll probably get out of it in some way. The Israeli army isn't so reliant on manpower now (more technological) and turn away a large percentage of potential conscripts for health or psychological reasons. Most jobs in the army are nothing to do with fighting and he would most likely be sports coaching, working with kids or volunteering in a school. I reckon worst case scenario he'll have to do a month or two in the summer volunteer army work which probably wouldn't do the lad much harm - as long as he's around during the African nations next year as that's when all of our Africans will be away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (which is the way I think it is in Italy) Anyone know? I believe you have to do military training. Also the Italian option of switching sides at the last minute is not available either. I assume they have to train on how to defend their country? The French skipped that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev123 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 (which is the way I think it is in Italy) Anyone know? I believe you have to do military training. Also the Italian option of switching sides at the last minute is not available either. I assume they have to train on how to defend their country? The French skipped that part. Nonsense, while training they were put to good use in a factory preparing white flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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