On 04/09/2023 at 23:04, hephzibah said:

So far your favorite British guys play, you are ok. Who are better talents, especially now that we have good midfielders to play with them, is it Madueke, Mudryk and Palmer, or Sterling and Gallagher?

How on Earth is Sterling and Gallagher even coming to the mind of an human being with how devastating people like Madueke etc. are.

We have good midfielders and you will put Gallagher and Sterling up front, and when Sterling and Gallagher spoil everything they do, you will allow the world to be saying we spent £1b and our team is bad. You purchase top players and you refuse to give them good teammates, how will their performance show?

Now that the midfield is ok, let's use Madueke, Palmer, and Mudryk, and Jackson, those are top players. And let the whole world stop fighting with Mudryk, allow him to settle, last season was bad for the whole team, but now we have a good Midfield, let them play together and have a good balance, we will be ok.

How can we have top midfielders like we have and put poor attackers in front of them? Later some Chelsea fans will still open their eyes until clubs like Arsenal steal Madueke and Mudryk from us. All these clubs know these players are good, and if we don't make these players happy, they will want to go to another team. 

If they go to another team, you will now see some of our fans regretting. Enough of all these, where is our pride? When the team had Didier Drogba and we wanted to play against Arsenal, we had pride, we wanted to win, this is how we should be thinking, it seems part of the fan base don't have that pride again.

It's like I hear some Chelsea fans saying Arsenal are a bigger team than them, they think Arsenal are bigger than them.

Sterling has been our best attacker by far so far this season.

Madueke, Palmer, Mudryk have played 52 premier league games between them and 1 single premier league goal.

There's absolutely no logical reason to be dropping Sterling for any one of those players.

3 hours ago, hephzibah said:

What? Why are human beings so opposed to the truth…..

…..That cannot destabilize the dressing room. Everybody already knows.

Of course it unsettles the dressing room, you can just look back through history of players speaking out negatively in the press to see that.

The English press are out to bring anyone down and anything in a negative light against Chelsea, they will suck it up!

If a player is unhappy, then they should go to the manager and board without creating the drama of giving it a news story.

GK

Gusto  Silva  Colwill  Chilwell

Enzo  Caicedo

Sterling  Palmer  Mudryk

Jackson

 

This is how we should start, if you disagree you're wrong. 

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sterling has been our best attacker by far so far this season.

Madueke, Palmer, Mudryk have played 52 premier league games between them and 1 single premier league goal.

There's absolutely no logical reason to be dropping Sterling for any one of those players.

Individually he’s done well, you can’t knock him for showing up so far, but this isn’t Raheem FC, we shouldn’t discount looking at other options, our attack has’nt worked so far, so it makes sense to switch things around and try different perms. How players play with other players is more important than individual form imo.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Individually he’s done well, you can’t knock him for showing up so far, but this isn’t Raheem FC, we shouldn’t discount looking at other options, our attack has’nt worked so far, so it makes sense to switch things around and try different perms. How players play with other players is more important than individual form imo.

I don't know why you'd drop your best attacker though, and not Chilwell from the wing or Gallagher from the 10?

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sterling has been our best attacker by far so far this season.

Madueke, Palmer, Mudryk have played 52 premier league games between them and 1 single premier league goal.

There's absolutely no logical reason to be dropping Sterling for any one of those player.

Who is a better talent between Madueke and Sterling? Who is the better creative player between Madueke and Sterling? Is it not better for the striker to have a creative player with him to create chances for him? 

Many Chelsea fans don't want to change. But I tell you that many of our rivals will not start Sterling in their team, he will be a squad player but he won't start.

I don't want Chelsea to be a mediocre team, I don't want that.

People keep saying Sterling has been the best attacker this season, this is not the point, the point is that we have a better player on the bench, that can play better than him, let him start, we don't want to lose to Nottingham Forest at Stamford Bridge again after spending £1b on the team.

 

 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I don't know why you'd drop your best attacker though, and not Chilwell from the wing or Gallagher from the 10?

We’re currently in a position where we have loads of new players, and more to come in, all of whom are largely untested so far, we should be trying lots of different attacking combinations. I get your point, but i think we have a lot of good players who are yet to find their feet, the sooner we start including them, the sooner they will improve, Sterling or any other individual should not stop us trying to improve the collective.

Just now, hephzibah said:

Who is a better talent between Madueke and Sterling? Who is the better creative player between Madueke and Sterling? Is it not better for the striker to have a creative player with him to create chances for him? 

Many Chelsea fans don't want to change. But I tell you that many of our rivals will not start Sterling in their team, he will be a squad player but he won't start.

I don't want Chelsea to be a mediocre team, I don't want that.

People keep saying Sterling has been the best attacker this season, this is not the point, the point is that we have a better player on the bench, that can play better than him, let him start, we don't want to lose to Nottingham Forest at Stamford Bridge again after spending £1b on the team.

 

 

Sterling is astronomically better than Madueke in almost every facet of the game currently.

30 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Of course it unsettles the dressing room, you can just look back through history of players speaking out negatively in the press to see that.

The English press are out to bring anyone down and anything in a negative light against Chelsea, they will suck it up!

If a player is unhappy, then they should go to the manager and board without creating the drama of giving it a news story.

This is a positive drama, we did all sorts of negative dramas last season, things are going bad and everybody keep quiet, nobody can talk for things to get better.

We need positive drama for things to get better. 

Why does it unsettle the dressing room, even Poch knows their is a problem in the team. Who does it unsettle? Is it Gallagher, if he's not good enough to start, what we are saying is that he should be on the bench, will he fight back when he's not good enough to start? He will stay on the bench.

Because we don't want some players to be sad, then we put out a mediocre team. Gallagher can be sad and be angry with Enzo or his teammates in the dressing room, that kind of quarrel can go on in the dressing room, that's ok, the manager will settle that, that's why he is a manager. 

But we must have the better players on the pitch, that is non-negotiable. The better players must play.

Edited September 8, 20232 yr by hephzibah

13 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sterling is astronomically better than Madueke in almost every facet of the game currently.

And I see someone like your comment, you didn't answer any question I asked in my own comment. You just make statements that are not backed up with facts. You can't just say Sterling is better without all these facts I've mentioned.

14 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

And I see someone like your comment, you didn't answer any question I asked in my own comment. You just make statements that are not backed up with facts. You can't just say Sterling is better without all these facts I've mentioned.

You asked who is the better talent, i told you Sterling is currently better than Madueke (and Mudryk/Palmer).

Sterling has scored more goals for Chelsea against just Forest than Madueke has in every game for us so far.

19 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

This is a positive drama, we did all sorts of negative dramas last season, things are going bad and everybody keep quiet, nobody can talk for things to get better.

We need positive drama for things to get better.

You think (if he even did say it) that Enzo coming out saying Chelsea are bad and due to that he wants a transfer…. Is a positive thing for the club and will help us out? You honestly think that?

2 minutes ago, Modueke said:

You think (if he even did say it) that Enzo coming out saying Chelsea are bad and due to that he wants a transfer…. Is a positive thing for the club and will help us out? You honestly think that?

Why on earth is this drivel being given oxygen?

I think Sterling looks good because of Jackson's runs taking defenders with him allowing Sterling just a little bit more space to go on his mazy runs.

21 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

And I see someone like your comment….

It’s called agreeing with someone, strangely some people on forums can agree on things.

Sterling is a seasoned pro footballer that has contributed to teams successes and scored a hefty amount of goals in doing so.

Madueke is an up and coming player who looks the business and will one day hope to get to Sterling’s level.

It isn’t rocket science who is a better player overall. 

56 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You asked who is the better talent, i told you Sterling is currently better than Madueke (and Mudryk/Palmer).

Sterling has scored more goals for Chelsea against just Forest than Madueke has in every game for us so far.

You have no idea what the meaning of a talent is. You are born with a talent. You don't currently have a better talent than someone.

Madueke is a better creative player than Sterling, he will still score goals when he has the chance, but he will also create more chances than Sterling. We needed a creative player against Nottingham Forest, that's what I'm saying.

You don't confuse me with goals. Sterling scored two goals against Luton, what is special about that? Football involves a lot of things, it's not just about scoring two goals against Luton.

1 hour ago, Modueke said:

It’s called agreeing with someone, strangely some people on forums can agree on things.

Sterling is a seasoned pro footballer that has contributed to teams successes and scored a hefty amount of goals in doing so.

Madueke is an up and coming player who looks the business and will one day hope to get to Sterling’s level.

It isn’t rocket science who is a better player overall. 

You may be an older player, you may not be as good as a younger player. It has to do with talent. The problem people have is that if you are a younger player, they think all the time, the older player is better than the younger player.

Moreso, I don't know maybe people don't like very good players. Maybe they prefer the average player.

11 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

You have no idea what the meaning of a talent is. You are born with a talent. You don't currently have a better talent than someone.

Madueke is a better creative player than Sterling, he will still score goals when he has the chance, but he will also create more chances than Sterling. We needed a creative player against Nottingham Forest, that's what I'm saying.

You don't confuse me with goals. Sterling scored two goals against Luton, what is special about that? Football involves a lot of things, it's not just about scoring two goals against Luton.

Sterling is currently more talented than Madueke. You're talking about potential, which is highly subjective. Hudson-Odoi had more potential than Madueke, look where he is now. 

Everything you're saying is your opinion, and yet you're claiming it as fact. I actually really like Madueke so i don't want to drag him but in 14 premier league games he's got 0 assists and created 0 big chances while spamming 25 crosses. How have you decided he's more creative exactly? Sterling scored 3 goals in his last 2 games against Forest and you want to se him dropped for a player than might be good in 6 months?

Okay, play Madueke instead of Sterling and we beat Luton 1-0 instead. Take your pick. 

5 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

You may be an older player, you may not be as good as a younger player. It has to do with talent. The problem people have is that if you are a younger player, they think all the time, the older player is better than the younger player.

Moreso, I don't know maybe people don't like very good players. Maybe they prefer the average player.

Sterling is older and also better than our other wingers, hope this helps 

Sterling wont be playing every game anyway, so Noni will get games, i just wish Poch would mix it up a little bit more in attack, even the subs have been a bit underwhelming.

11 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sterling is older and also better than our other wingers, hope this helps 

Sterling is not creative, that's what I'm saying.

3 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

Sterling is not creative, that's what I'm saying.

Sterling has created more shot creating actions and goal creating actions per 90 this season than Madueke, says a lot when Madueke has been playing against Wimbledon and Sterling has been playing actual premier league teams too.

24 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sterling is currently more talented than Madueke. You're talking about potential, which is highly subjective. Hudson-Odoi had more potential than Madueke, look where he is now. 

Everything you're saying is your opinion, and yet you're claiming it as fact. I actually really like Madueke so i don't want to drag him but in 14 premier league games he's got 0 assists and created 0 big chances while spamming 25 crosses. How have you decided he's more creative exactly? Sterling scored 3 goals in his last 2 games against Forest and you want to se him dropped for a player than might be good in 6 months?

Okay, play Madueke instead of Sterling and we beat Luton 1-0 instead. Take your pick. 

Odoi was excellent, he only had an injury which affected his career. You can see you are ignorant.

I've told you the meaning of a talent, you are not currently more talented than someone, you are born with a talent.

I hope people don't succeed to destroy the talent of Madueke, now you are calling it a potential.

Edited September 8, 20232 yr by hephzibah

11 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

Sterling is not creative, that's what I'm saying.

Yes he is.

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

Yes he is.

I feel sorry for you, you are trying so hard to support a player, but I say Madueke is better than him.