Tevez Regret ....

[Star]

I was one who had Tevez on my summer wish list and come the end of the season i'm certain the little man will have inspired the Mancs to a second succesive title and a genuine tilt at the Champions League.

Watching him tonight I can honestly say my belief that he could have become the Zola of the new Chelsea generation was damn well spot on. His link up play with Rooney was again outstanding and to say he couldn't have linked up with Drogba or was more suited to our game than Malouda is an understatement.

Red Nose has played another blinder at our expense, let's not forget also we could have got him before he went to West Ham but we went for Sheva.

The Tevez's of this world, like the Kaka's, Ronaldo's, Messi's can turn a game in an instant and when it matters we STILL haven't got a world class player in that bracket to do the business as we ALSO never had when the scoucers knocked us out of the CL on two occasions.

Robben flattered to deceive and despite Romans billions we have yet to find the jewel in the crown that sets us apart from the rest and makes us the free flowing attacking force that our Russian craves.

It is with regret that I say - yet again we have been trumped by the northern scum.

[The Moos]

On the positive side we got Mikel

[Backbiter]

On the positive side we got Mikel

It will be nice if we eventually get a refund on the fraudulently obtained* fee, too.

* allegedly

[The Moos]

On the positive side we got Mikel

It will be nice if we eventually get a refund on the fraudulently obtained* fee, too.

* allegedly

Certainly. Last I heard they (don't know who) was confident that the contract with ManU wasn't valid or something and that we therefore should get our money back. I wonder how the investigation is going. Would be really nice to get the money back from ManU. Hopefully on the day after we kicked their a*ses out of the champions league or something similar

[BLUENUT]

I was one who had Tevez on my summer wish list and come the end of the season i'm certain the little man will have inspired the Mancs to a second succesive title and a genuine tilt at the Champions League.

Watching him tonight I can honestly say my belief that he could have become the Zola of the new Chelsea generation was damn well spot on. His link up play with Rooney was again outstanding and to say he couldn't have linked up with Drogba or was more suited to our game than Malouda is an understatement.

Red Nose has played another blinder at our expense, let's not forget also we could have got him before he went to West Ham but we went for Sheva.

The Tevez's of this world, like the Kaka's, Ronaldo's, Messi's can turn a game in an instant and when it matters we STILL haven't got a world class player in that bracket to do the business as we ALSO never had when the scoucers knocked us out of the CL on two occasions.

Robben flattered to deceive and despite Romans billions we have yet to find the jewel in the crown that sets us apart from the rest and makes us the free flowing attacking force that our Russian craves.

It is with regret that I say - yet again we have been trumped by the northern scum.

Fantastic player - agreed, although I didn't see him last night.

At the end of his 2nd season JM and Clarke went to South America to watch him, missing the open top bus parade down the Fulham Rd. On return they were told we were signing Sheva..........the rest is history.

[Pauly]

tevez is crap and stops good passing football being played rather than contributing- he just slows down the game with pointless dribbles- he's predictable and any good side would finish him instantly. down with tevez.

[Nibs]

tevez is crap and stops good passing football being played rather than contributing- he just slows down the game with pointless dribbles- he's predictable and any good side would finish him instantly. down with tevez.

Is that a serious statement or a massive wind up???

If serious, you must have missed him single handedly keep the Spammers up last season (okay with Robert Green's help) and missed his recent link up play with Rooney developing far too well for my liking.

[abramovich]

At the end of his 2nd season JM and Clarke went to South America to watch him, missing the open top bus parade down the Fulham Rd. On return they were told we were signing Sheva..........the rest is history.

Another 'true story', i presume..

You never run out of those, are you?

Roman also insisted on Cashley instead of Zambrotta, Kezman instead of Saviola,Del Horno instead of Lahm etc etc. He also forced The Special One to stay away from the players who offer any kind of individual creativity and flair(a la Tevez) and stick with "the athletes". In fact their whole feud was based on RA constantly slating Mourinho for his playing style being too entertaining with an emphasis on all out attack. "Who cares about pleasing the crowd?! I want robots out there and i want results, it's all i care about!" - that's a direct quote from Abramovich.

Come to think of it Bluenut, i thought you have mentioned some time ago that JM asked for Eto'o but got Sheva instead. Now it's the same scenario with Tevez. You must have got confused.

[BLUENUT]

At the end of his 2nd season JM and Clarke went to South America to watch him, missing the open top bus parade down the Fulham Rd. On return they were told we were signing Sheva..........the rest is history.

Another 'true story', i presume..

You never run out of those, are you?

Roman also insisted on Cashley instead of Zambrotta, Kezman instead of Saviola,Del Horno instead of Lahm etc etc. He also forced The Special One to stay away from the players who offer any kind of individual creativity and flair(a la Tevez) and stick with "the athletes". In fact their whole feud was based on RA constantly slating Mourinho for his playing style being too entertaining with an emphasis on all out attack. "Who cares about pleasing the crowd?! I want robots out there and i want results, it's all i care about!" - that's a direct quote from Abramovich.

Come to think of it Bluenut, i thought you have mentioned some time ago that JM asked for Eto'o but got Sheva instead. Now it's the same scenario with Tevez. You must have got confused.

It wasn't me who mentioned Eto mate. Wrong again!

I remember at the time Jose AND Clarke were not at the open top bus parade, I was - they wasn't! It was reported later via the papers admittedly, that they were away looking at a player, that player was Tevez.

It was reported on Chelsea TV a couple of weeks ago that Jose was at a meeting where he was told they were going to sign Shevchenko, he didn't ask for him. (Could have refused, but the FACT is - he didn't ask for him!!!! - Admitted by the channel that Roman watches!!)

I didn't say Roman scuppered the deal for Tevez, I didn't say we were in for Tevez, I didn't say Jose wanted to sign Tevez or Eto for that matter. I just said he went to watch him.

[abramovich]

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[abramovich]

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[abramovich]

It wasn't me who mentioned Eto mate. Wrong again!

I remember at the time Jose AND Clarke were not at the open top bus parade, I was - they wasn't! It was reported later via the papers admittedly, that they were away looking at a player, that player was Tevez.

It was reported on Chelsea TV a couple of weeks ago that Jose was at a meeting where he was told they were going to sign Shevchenko, he didn't ask for him. (Could have refused, but the FACT is - he didn't ask for him!!!! - Admitted by the channel that Roman watches!!)

I didn't say Roman scuppered the deal for Tevez, I didn't say we were in for Tevez, I didn't say Jose wanted to sign Tevez or Eto for that matter. I just said he went to watch him.

I'm sorry mate i thought it was you.

I haven't seen that report you're talking about but even if it's true it doesn't prove in any way that Sheva was brought instead of Tevez or anybody else for that matter. From the way you posted this line of events it looked like you implied that. If not why mentioning Sheva at all in the Tevez thread? I f i misunderstood i apologize.

As for Carlitos I made a thread on the old CSR forum about Jose watching Tevez in action for Corinthians after seeing it on TV and while i was not too crazy about his character back then(he had problems in every club he played for) the idea of seeing Tevez in blue after watching Drogba struggling in his first two seasons did seem quite exciting.

I don't know who made the decision not to go after Tevez but if i had to guess i'd pick Jose. Remember how Tevez and Mascherano were offered by Joorabchian to all top PL clubs on a loan basis before they ended up at West Ham? So it wasn't the case of money, just a matter of choice for the manager. And Tevez just didn't seem the 'Jose kind of player" more like the 'Roman type".

[loz]

I fully believe Jose wouldn't want tevez quite simply because there was no place for him in a Jose team. Look at the sides that won back to back titles and then tell me who Tevez would ahve replaced in the teams and how we would have performed in their role. There is no way jose would have changed his style to accommodate Tevez and thus having him int he squad would have been square pegs in round holes time.

Maybe a different style of Chelsea like we may well see under Grant/Clarke and especially Cate would be betrer suited to Tevez however had we signed him back when people are talking about he would have been a failure for us.

[BLUENUT]

It wasn't me who mentioned Eto mate. Wrong again!

I remember at the time Jose AND Clarke were not at the open top bus parade, I was - they wasn't! It was reported later via the papers admittedly, that they were away looking at a player, that player was Tevez.

It was reported on Chelsea TV a couple of weeks ago that Jose was at a meeting where he was told they were going to sign Shevchenko, he didn't ask for him. (Could have refused, but the FACT is - he didn't ask for him!!!! - Admitted by the channel that Roman watches!!)

I didn't say Roman scuppered the deal for Tevez, I didn't say we were in for Tevez, I didn't say Jose wanted to sign Tevez or Eto for that matter. I just said he went to watch him.

I'm sorry mate i thought it was you.

I haven't seen that report you're talking about but even if it's true it doesn't prove in any way that Sheva was brought instead of Tevez or anybody else for that matter. From the way you posted this line of events it looked like you implied that. If not why mentioning Sheva at all in the Tevez thread? I f i misunderstood i apologize.

As for Carlitos I made a thread on the old CSR forum about Jose watching Tevez in action for Corinthians after seeing it on TV and while i was not too crazy about his character back then(he had problems in every club he played for) the idea of seeing Tevez in blue after watching Drogba struggling in his first two seasons did seem quite exciting.

I don't know who made the decision not to go after Tevez but if i had to guess i'd pick Jose. Remember how Tevez and Mascherano were offered by Joorabchian to all top PL clubs on a loan basis before they ended up at West Ham? So it wasn't the case of money, just a matter of choice for the manager. And Tevez just didn't seem the 'Jose kind of player" more like the 'Roman type".

I have to agree, the way Tevez wound up at West Ham was a bit shadey, just ask Sheff Utd

He could have been left alone for the financial wrangles that would entail.

My own theory behind it, hinted to me by one of their supporters, was that Joorabchian, who owned the players and wanted to buy West Ham had his eye on the olympic stadium as their new home. Once built they'd move in free of charge, knock down Upton Park and redevelop for it's real estate potential, making him a huge profit on the way. Once he was told how much the olympic stadium would cost them, the deal fell thru he disappeared, and they sold the club to Mr Biscuit.

(BTW this is just my opinion, not a true story, but it made sense to me)

I'm still not sure who Man Utd signed him from

[Star]

It wasn't me who mentioned Eto mate. Wrong again!

I remember at the time Jose AND Clarke were not at the open top bus parade, I was - they wasn't! It was reported later via the papers admittedly, that they were away looking at a player, that player was Tevez.

It was reported on Chelsea TV a couple of weeks ago that Jose was at a meeting where he was told they were going to sign Shevchenko, he didn't ask for him. (Could have refused, but the FACT is - he didn't ask for him!!!! - Admitted by the channel that Roman watches!!)

I didn't say Roman scuppered the deal for Tevez, I didn't say we were in for Tevez, I didn't say Jose wanted to sign Tevez or Eto for that matter. I just said he went to watch him.

I'm sorry mate i thought it was you.

I haven't seen that report you're talking about but even if it's true it doesn't prove in any way that Sheva was brought instead of Tevez or anybody else for that matter. From the way you posted this line of events it looked like you implied that. If not why mentioning Sheva at all in the Tevez thread? I f i misunderstood i apologize.

As for Carlitos I made a thread on the old CSR forum about Jose watching Tevez in action for Corinthians after seeing it on TV and while i was not too crazy about his character back then(he had problems in every club he played for) the idea of seeing Tevez in blue after watching Drogba struggling in his first two seasons did seem quite exciting.

I don't know who made the decision not to go after Tevez but if i had to guess i'd pick Jose. Remember how Tevez and Mascherano were offered by Joorabchian to all top PL clubs on a loan basis before they ended up at West Ham? So it wasn't the case of money, just a matter of choice for the manager. And Tevez just didn't seem the 'Jose kind of player" more like the 'Roman type".

It's a fact that Shevchenko was bought at the expense of Tevez.

At the Open bus parade Peter Kenyon CLEARLY stated on Chelsea TV (And it was shown on sky) that Chelsea had looked at Tevez but if a player like Shevchenko should become available we would be interested.

Had Milan and Sheva not come to agreement Carlos Tevez WOULD have become a Chelsea player for certain.

I clearly remembering posting that Shevchenko was signing for us before the press got hold of the story, for it was a well known fact that Kenyon had already agreed the deal with Milan and Tevez wasn't an option because of it.

With hindsight, Roman might have instructed the opposite, for we might have won the league last season and with Ballack and Sheva out of the picture Jose and he might have never had crossed words and who knows we might have sustained the stranglehold we had on English football at the time.

Instead typical Chelsea style we shot ourselves in the foot, have a manager not fit to manage West Ham let alone Chelsea and are playing catch up to Manure once again.

[loz]

I do remember Kenyon being asked about Tevez on the open top bus and I remember him categorically stating that Tevez would not be joining Chelsea however I don't recall ever seeing anything from the club which made it clear that Tevez wasn't signed because Sheva was.

If that did actually happen then I could accept that 'It's a fact that Shevchenko was bought at the expense of Tevez' however unless that can be shown then it is entirely posible that tevez was not signed for football reasons.

[SydneyChelsea]

I fully believe Jose wouldn't want tevez quite simply because there was no place for him in a Jose team. Look at the sides that won back to back titles and then tell me who Tevez would ahve replaced in the teams and how we would have performed in their role. There is no way jose would have changed his style to accommodate Tevez and thus having him int he squad would have been square pegs in round holes time.

Maybe a different style of Chelsea like we may well see under Grant/Clarke and especially Cate would be betrer suited to Tevez however had we signed him back when people are talking about he would have been a failure for us.

What, a striker that works defenses, constantly pressuring and defending from the front? A fit player who is likely to play box to box?

[Qaz]

I fully believe Jose wouldn't want tevez quite simply because there was no place for him in a Jose team. Look at the sides that won back to back titles and then tell me who Tevez would ahve replaced in the teams and how we would have performed in their role. There is no way jose would have changed his style to accommodate Tevez and thus having him int he squad would have been square pegs in round holes time.

Thankyou, you saved me having to post that :)

[SydneyChelsea]

Again, why would Tevez not fit in?

[loz]

A supprt striker rather than an out and out centre forward playing in a formation that only has one striker. Unless Jose could have got special dispensation to play 12 players then there was no space for him in the team.

You think Rooney could play the Drogba role in Jose's 4-5-1 - he would need to strap stepladders to his feet.

[BLUENUT]

Where did Sheva play in that 4-5-1 formation?

I thought we switched to a 4-4-2 last season.

Anyway, I saw Tevez play against us at the bridge last season and he played as an in-side right for the spammers (played very well too) and could have done the same at Chelsea in a 4-3-3 or partnered a forward in a 4-4-2. IMHO

[Dorset]

Opinions on Tevez are not only split between those who rate him (clearly, you are not alone, Star) and those who don?t (Pauly providing a classic example of exaggerated low regard straight out of his latest edition of Farmers Weekly), but they also feature the splinter group who don?t commit on his ability and merely dismiss him on the grounds that he wasn?t suitable or ?not fancied?. Bluenut goes some way towards hitting that particular nail on the head by pointing out our switch to 4-4-2 which would have accommodated Tevez just as much as Sheva, if not more so (as yet, his point goes unanswered).

Also, you don?t go half way around the world to check out a player without knowing something about his type or temperament beforehand, so I?m more inclined to think that factors other than Tevez?s ability and character came into play for Jose and Co - and, if that assumption?s wrong, then Tevez, from the moment he arrived in the Premiership, proved their ultimate assessment of him to be way off the mark. Whether Sheva was chosen by or foisted on Jose is irrelevant in terms of Tevez?s suitability for us at that time and, surprise, surprise, there is no doubt in my mind that he was then, although, with our new found conversion to entertainment via 4-3-3 and ultra swift passing movement, perhaps he is not now.

This is my one concession to Pauly?s provocation, in as much as Carlitos slows the ship down a bit, but I suppose the same could have been said about Franco in his latter years and if I recall there weren?t too many complaints flying around at the time. No, what we have here is a subliminal prayer that many of us are making at the moment - please don?t let Tevez be the catalyst for a season long Rooney goal glut or a trophy fest in any shape or form, because regrets, well, we?ve had a few, and although this one might not be too soon to mention, it could eventually turn out to be too big to mention.