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I can't believe I'm posting a story from "The People" of all places, but here it is:

Joao can be new Lamps

Frank Lampard looks certain to leave Chelsea for Inter Milan - with Stamford Bridge boss Luiz Felipe Scolari lining up Portuguese star Joao Moutinho as his replacement.

Inter chief Jose Mourinho has had two bids rejected for the England midfielder, whose contract talks with Chelsea have broken down.

And although the Blues are well stocked for midfield talent, Scolari has instructed club chiefs to sign Sporting Lisbon star Moutinho.

Moutinho, 21, is an attacking midfield player who was given his international debut by Scolari and became a key player in his Portugal team, alongside Chelsea new boy Deco.

The Moutinho development confirms Chelsea have lost hope of Lampard agreeing a deal. But they will not allow him to team up with Mourinho for less than £14m.

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No quotes, no sources, no real information, but I think he'd be a good signing. If we used him as an attacking player rather than a CM, there would be room for him.

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He is an emerging talent no doubt, and is EXACTLy the type we should be interested in. However he is NOT an attacking midfielder in the Lampard mold as stated in the piece. He either plays in the dead centre or in a more defensive role. In fact he has featured quite often as one of the defnsive midfielders (who btw do not play the Maka role) in a 4-2-3-1.

Therfore if he did come he would likely b playing alongside Essien. Which I think is a GREAT link up.

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So, where would Mikel and Ballack fit in this system if we were to sign him? Really, I don't think another central midfielder is something we should be considering

Well in a midfield split to 2 and 3 these players could play as either a forward or defensive role.

Mikel has been used by us in a defensive role, however those of us that have seen the last two ANC will know that Mikel generally has a more attacking role, and indeed most often played in that role for Lynn Oslo. He has played in a Deco type role which utilises his good passing and means that he is less likely to be called on for tackling (!).

Ballack has played in a more attacking role, especially in his pre-Bayern days when he was known for getting lots of goals, but for Germany he has often (incl under Klinsman - World Cup 2006) played in the defensive two, alongside Frings.

So if we consider a first choice midfield looks like this...

(for instance)

-------Essien-----Moutinho------

J.Cole--------Deco--------Lampard

Mikel could easily fit in instead of Essien, Moutinho or Deco.

Ballack could easily fit in for Essien, Moutinho, Cole or Lamps.

*God I hope that makes sense to people - I know not everyone is so anal/geeky about tactics and world football as me* :)

:D

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Well in a midfield split to 2 and 3 these players could play as either a forward or defensive role.

Mikel has been used by us in a defensive role, however those of us that have seen the last two ANC will know that Mikel generally has a more attacking role, and indeed most often played in that role for Lynn Oslo. He has played in a Deco type role which utilises his good passing and means that he is less likely to be called on for tackling (!).

Ballack has played in a more attacking role, especially in his pre-Bayern days when he was known for getting lots of goals, but for Germany he has often (incl under Klinsman - World Cup 2006) played in the defensive two, alongside Frings.

So if we consider a first choice midfield looks like this...

(for instance)

-------Essien-----Moutinho------

J.Cole--------Deco--------Lampard

Mikel could easily fit in instead of Essien, Moutinho or Deco.

Ballack could easily fit in for Essien, Moutinho, Cole or Lamps.

*God I hope that makes sense to people - I know not everyone is so anal/geeky about tactics and world football as me* :)

:D

I cant imagine a more isolated frount man... where is the support out wide coming from, whos going to come in of the wing to support the loan striker, people will play 5 in midfield against us and negate that very easily!!

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Nope the front man is backed up by the attacking midfielders and the two defensive midfielders are generally used as to scoop the ball up when the attackers lose it.

Very rarely will the striker be isolated. He will have crosses and balls played through to deal with. The days of smacking it to an isolated big man like Drogba will hopefully disapear. I hate lump it football.

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wouldn't work, lamps is strictly a player to play in the flat part of midfield, and ina 4231 that is the "2", he isn't quick, agile and nor can he dribble so playing him wide would be a massive waste.

also I have no idea where you get the idea moutinho is a defensive player, in that system he would play where deco plays, (i.e. no.10). possibly from the euros, but in that tournament scolari played a 433 with one anchoring player and two players going forward from midfield.

basically there is no place for him, we signed deco and that space has been filled.

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I always liked watching Mikel at the front of a midfield diamond. I think that his passing is brilliant, and the more attacking we play him, the less we rely on his tackling

Also, I think it is time we stopped guessing about formations with Lampard being involved

Scott

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basically there is no place for him, we signed deco and that space has been filled.

Agree and this for me is the down side to signing Deco, as we now have no need/place for a younger creative midfielder, and so might miss out on a real gem, like Moutinho, as we went for the more short term fix.

Still, i'll shut up about this now, as I am still excited to see what Deco can do.

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wouldn't work, lamps is strictly a player to play in the flat part of midfield, and ina 4231 that is the "2", he isn't quick, agile and nor can he dribble so playing him wide would be a massive waste.

also I have no idea where you get the idea moutinho is a defensive player, in that system he would play where deco plays, (i.e. no.10). possibly from the euros, but in that tournament scolari played a 433 with one anchoring player and two players going forward from midfield.

basically there is no place for him, we signed deco and that space has been filled.

I have seen Portugal play with him as one of the more defensive midfielders. not saying he can not play in other slots, after all he is young so will be tried in different. He is a good passer and that can be used in different slots. Agree with the Lampard thing, but I just quickly wrote down an example team, as indicated. Frankly the way things are going I to not think he will even be here.

@mad_mac - yeah I hope we see Mikel away from 'defensive roles' I honestly do not think he has the tackling ability (more like a red card ability) and he is a diffent entity when pushed forward.

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For Sporting (can't believe he is there captain at only 21 years of age), he plays mainly just behind the striker or on the right wing.

Think he would be a great signing. Played every minute of every match for Sporting last season and scored 12 goals. And at only 21, would be a good investment. And Scolari loves him.

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  • 2 years later...

3 years on and we're being strongly linked with this guy from the Portuguese media... interesting that a few years back he was rumoured to be a Frank Lampard replacement, yet now it seems like that could actually be true as we slowly start building for the future again.

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3 years on and we're being strongly linked with this guy from the Portuguese media... interesting that a few years back he was rumoured to be a Frank Lampard replacement, yet now it seems like that could actually be true as we slowly start building for the future again.

Might be worth considering if Modric gets too expensive, but I'd rather have Luka.

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Modric will always be the safer bet.. proven in EPL etc. but he would realisticly command a 35 mil and i reckon we can get moutinho for 20 mil. Which is a good price for someone who is said in portugal as the portuguese Xavi. It would also save 15 mil which we can lump on neymars fee meeting santos evaluation of him. Added to the fact hes accustomed to AVBs tactics it seems to make more sense than modric

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We'd be losing both Mikel and Essien in January. That leaves us with Lampard, Ramires and Josh as central midfield options. If we get one center mid we better pray none of those three get injured otherwise it could get tricky.

ACN is something we should always have on the mind while planning the summer dealings.

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I'd that if every four years is good enough for the Olympics, the European Championships and the World Cup, why does the ACN need to take place every other year?

Sad to say that in its current format, the ACN is a good reason for exercising caution when it comes to signing African players.

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Benayoun could slot in there (assuming we don't sell him), and I think we still have Mellis and Cork? (though I'm not sure we'll keep them).

Also, Zhirkov or Malouda could both potentially fill in there. How's Conor Clifford going?

All that said, I think we'll sign a midfielder, especially if the club think forward to the ACN.

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