Gem Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I can't believe I'm posting a story from "The People" of all places, but here it is: Joao can be new Lamps Frank Lampard looks certain to leave Chelsea for Inter Milan - with Stamford Bridge boss Luiz Felipe Scolari lining up Portuguese star Joao Moutinho as his replacement. Inter chief Jose Mourinho has had two bids rejected for the England midfielder, whose contract talks with Chelsea have broken down. And although the Blues are well stocked for midfield talent, Scolari has instructed club chiefs to sign Sporting Lisbon star Moutinho. Moutinho, 21, is an attacking midfield player who was given his international debut by Scolari and became a key player in his Portugal team, alongside Chelsea new boy Deco. The Moutinho development confirms Chelsea have lost hope of Lampard agreeing a deal. But they will not allow him to team up with Mourinho for less than £14m. ---------------------------------------------- No quotes, no sources, no real information, but I think he'd be a good signing. If we used him as an attacking player rather than a CM, there would be room for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valim Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) no no no you see in portugal vs germany he duel with ballack man vs baby without force ( hight bodybilance) in premierleague your dead Edited July 13, 2008 by valim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboola69 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 He is an emerging talent no doubt, and is EXACTLy the type we should be interested in. However he is NOT an attacking midfielder in the Lampard mold as stated in the piece. He either plays in the dead centre or in a more defensive role. In fact he has featured quite often as one of the defnsive midfielders (who btw do not play the Maka role) in a 4-2-3-1. Therfore if he did come he would likely b playing alongside Essien. Which I think is a GREAT link up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_mac Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 So, where would Mikel and Ballack fit in this system if we were to sign him? Really, I don't think another central midfielder is something we should be considering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboola69 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 So, where would Mikel and Ballack fit in this system if we were to sign him? Really, I don't think another central midfielder is something we should be considering Well in a midfield split to 2 and 3 these players could play as either a forward or defensive role. Mikel has been used by us in a defensive role, however those of us that have seen the last two ANC will know that Mikel generally has a more attacking role, and indeed most often played in that role for Lynn Oslo. He has played in a Deco type role which utilises his good passing and means that he is less likely to be called on for tackling (!). Ballack has played in a more attacking role, especially in his pre-Bayern days when he was known for getting lots of goals, but for Germany he has often (incl under Klinsman - World Cup 2006) played in the defensive two, alongside Frings. So if we consider a first choice midfield looks like this... (for instance) -------Essien-----Moutinho------ J.Cole--------Deco--------Lampard Mikel could easily fit in instead of Essien, Moutinho or Deco. Ballack could easily fit in for Essien, Moutinho, Cole or Lamps. *God I hope that makes sense to people - I know not everyone is so anal/geeky about tactics and world football as me* :) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barak81 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Well in a midfield split to 2 and 3 these players could play as either a forward or defensive role.Mikel has been used by us in a defensive role, however those of us that have seen the last two ANC will know that Mikel generally has a more attacking role, and indeed most often played in that role for Lynn Oslo. He has played in a Deco type role which utilises his good passing and means that he is less likely to be called on for tackling (!). Ballack has played in a more attacking role, especially in his pre-Bayern days when he was known for getting lots of goals, but for Germany he has often (incl under Klinsman - World Cup 2006) played in the defensive two, alongside Frings. So if we consider a first choice midfield looks like this... (for instance) -------Essien-----Moutinho------ J.Cole--------Deco--------Lampard Mikel could easily fit in instead of Essien, Moutinho or Deco. Ballack could easily fit in for Essien, Moutinho, Cole or Lamps. *God I hope that makes sense to people - I know not everyone is so anal/geeky about tactics and world football as me* :) :D I cant imagine a more isolated frount man... where is the support out wide coming from, whos going to come in of the wing to support the loan striker, people will play 5 in midfield against us and negate that very easily!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboola69 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Nope the front man is backed up by the attacking midfielders and the two defensive midfielders are generally used as to scoop the ball up when the attackers lose it. Very rarely will the striker be isolated. He will have crosses and balls played through to deal with. The days of smacking it to an isolated big man like Drogba will hopefully disapear. I hate lump it football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g3.7 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 wouldn't work, lamps is strictly a player to play in the flat part of midfield, and ina 4231 that is the "2", he isn't quick, agile and nor can he dribble so playing him wide would be a massive waste. also I have no idea where you get the idea moutinho is a defensive player, in that system he would play where deco plays, (i.e. no.10). possibly from the euros, but in that tournament scolari played a 433 with one anchoring player and two players going forward from midfield. basically there is no place for him, we signed deco and that space has been filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_mac Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I always liked watching Mikel at the front of a midfield diamond. I think that his passing is brilliant, and the more attacking we play him, the less we rely on his tackling Also, I think it is time we stopped guessing about formations with Lampard being involved Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 basically there is no place for him, we signed deco and that space has been filled. Agree and this for me is the down side to signing Deco, as we now have no need/place for a younger creative midfielder, and so might miss out on a real gem, like Moutinho, as we went for the more short term fix. Still, i'll shut up about this now, as I am still excited to see what Deco can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboola69 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 wouldn't work, lamps is strictly a player to play in the flat part of midfield, and ina 4231 that is the "2", he isn't quick, agile and nor can he dribble so playing him wide would be a massive waste.also I have no idea where you get the idea moutinho is a defensive player, in that system he would play where deco plays, (i.e. no.10). possibly from the euros, but in that tournament scolari played a 433 with one anchoring player and two players going forward from midfield. basically there is no place for him, we signed deco and that space has been filled. I have seen Portugal play with him as one of the more defensive midfielders. not saying he can not play in other slots, after all he is young so will be tried in different. He is a good passer and that can be used in different slots. Agree with the Lampard thing, but I just quickly wrote down an example team, as indicated. Frankly the way things are going I to not think he will even be here. @mad_mac - yeah I hope we see Mikel away from 'defensive roles' I honestly do not think he has the tackling ability (more like a red card ability) and he is a diffent entity when pushed forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 For Sporting (can't believe he is there captain at only 21 years of age), he plays mainly just behind the striker or on the right wing. Think he would be a great signing. Played every minute of every match for Sporting last season and scored 12 goals. And at only 21, would be a good investment. And Scolari loves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizeH Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboola69 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 You know what...had him confused with Veloso... sorry sorry.... Off now to flay my back with a gnarly branch. I should know better I really should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizeH Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 3 years on and we're being strongly linked with this guy from the Portuguese media... interesting that a few years back he was rumoured to be a Frank Lampard replacement, yet now it seems like that could actually be true as we slowly start building for the future again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deg0ey Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 3 years on and we're being strongly linked with this guy from the Portuguese media... interesting that a few years back he was rumoured to be a Frank Lampard replacement, yet now it seems like that could actually be true as we slowly start building for the future again. Might be worth considering if Modric gets too expensive, but I'd rather have Luka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolawannabe Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Modric will always be the safer bet.. proven in EPL etc. but he would realisticly command a 35 mil and i reckon we can get moutinho for 20 mil. Which is a good price for someone who is said in portugal as the portuguese Xavi. It would also save 15 mil which we can lump on neymars fee meeting santos evaluation of him. Added to the fact hes accustomed to AVBs tactics it seems to make more sense than modric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazardsLeftPeg Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 On 3 July 2010, Moutinho signed a five-year contract with Sporting rivals F.C. Porto, with the transfer price reaching €11 million. Soon after, Porto sold 37.5% economic rights to a third party, Mamers B.V. for €400,125,000 Pish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 We'd be losing both Mikel and Essien in January. That leaves us with Lampard, Ramires and Josh as central midfield options. If we get one center mid we better pray none of those three get injured otherwise it could get tricky. ACN is something we should always have on the mind while planning the summer dealings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 ACN is so bloody annoying sometimes especially when its at crunch time, why cant they have it in the summers during non WC/EC years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I'd that if every four years is good enough for the Olympics, the European Championships and the World Cup, why does the ACN need to take place every other year? Sad to say that in its current format, the ACN is a good reason for exercising caution when it comes to signing African players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Benayoun could slot in there (assuming we don't sell him), and I think we still have Mellis and Cork? (though I'm not sure we'll keep them). Also, Zhirkov or Malouda could both potentially fill in there. How's Conor Clifford going? All that said, I think we'll sign a midfielder, especially if the club think forward to the ACN. Edited June 23, 2011 by Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Funnily enough, ACN will take place in 2012 as well as 2013. Good reason to get rid of one or two Africans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lane Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Funnily enough, ACN will take place in 2012 as well as 2013. Good reason to get rid of one or two Africans? definitely, especially since all of them are midfielders Edited June 23, 2011 by Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 definitely, especially since all of them are midfielders Does that mean the Ivory Coast won't be involved in next season's competition ? Or have we already sold Drogba and Kalou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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