youlots

deary me....you wade into this thread in an attempt to correct g4 when, first, no correction was required and, secondly, by doing so you only show your ignorance (there being no EPL in '55). Moreover, in so doing you not only derail the thread but when brought to account you don't admit you were wrong in the first place and, after which, you add more sterile posts and then remark on some sort of agenda against you. And, of course, you do it repeatedly & this is what makes you so tiresome - do you not realize any of this?

I think that's a bit revisionist really. First, Stim is right - there were quite a few posters who were constantly airing that view from New Years day when spuds gave us a lesson. There were quite a few posters who could see during the back end of last season that Jose was concerned with the abilities of certain players in the 1st team squad. To his great credit & the 1st team squad, they buckled down & got the job done. And because of that, rightly or wrongly, the board & the owner placed constraints on what money was going to be available because I doubt that anyone, Jose included, could forsee the dramatic collapse in form of certain players & because & quite rightly, the board were also concerned with other matters as well - the new stadium etc.

The board & the owner have made a grievous mistake and I can only concur with what Frank said the other day. Jose should have been given the rest of the season. Even Guus stated initially that he did not know why he was brought in. However, and as bitter a pill as it is to swallow (& shall not be forgotten), it was done & nothing can change it now. I can understand your utter distaste & for some us - even the best on here (Chippy & ors) the decision has caused a schism of some magnitude: so much so that Chippy, for the present at least is done with the club & so it follows, this site. I for one am going to try to get him back on here because the site will be much poorer in his absence. As for the next permanent - who knows - it's an abject mess: I very much doubt that Simeone or Guardiola would want to come here. If not, who do we get in?

So you & others keep trotting out. Can you do me a favour? I want you to go back through the entirety of this thread if need be and isolate one post wherein a poster has stated that Jose 'doesn't make mistakes', 'has never made mistakes' etc etc.

Well...Brit's 'point' was fairly obvious. Perhaps you should go back and read what he had to say again.

mmmm....a demurrer of sorts: tell me - who has been haughty here? In your post to which I responded you rather superciliously trashed Mourinho as yesterday's man on the basis of pop psychology and hackneyed & one dimensional memes. I merely took issue with the basis for your rather pat conclusions. If my concern is with bringing all of the detail out rather than cherry-picking or 'pedantry' as you see it, then there is nothing left to say I suppose.

well.....an interesting post but some hasty/inductive generalisations there together and a strong availability bias in full swing: all together a bit too neat & clean really, isn't it Davey? So I'll bite & start by making some of my own generalisations by way of retort - i) Moyes & LVG are both much lesser managers than Mourinho; ii) Agreed that Ferguson never lost a dressing room because (& unlike Mourinho's 2nd term here) he was always given carte blanche by Manure in respect to transfer policy; iii) Your 3rd paragraph is a contradiction in terms: on the one hand you categorically say that 'player power is bollocks' but in the same breath talk about losing a dressing room. One can't very well exist without the other can it? Surely not. And your examples are hardly apposite are they? It is trite that Ferguson never lost a dressing room because the players knew that he made all of the decisions regarding selection & transfers: Mourinho did not have the luxury of the latter did he? iv) The 'long term solution' card: this persistent meme is, of course, a hackneyed straw-man: Ferguson & Wenger are the outliers. In reality, Mourinho, when equated with most all of other modern managers has longer tenures than the mean & let's face facts: the owner terminated him during his first tenure way too quickly - even the owner realised that later. Accordingly, even leaving this 2nd termination & its merits to one side, Mourinho comfortably is in the top bracket for longevity as far as managers are concerned. So....to conclude as you do that he will never ever be a long term solution wherever he may be is kind of besides the point is it not? In the industry he is in, long term management is extremely rare & getting rarer by the year. It is a criticism you make which, with respect, has very little to it & therefore, everything which flows from it is meaningless projection don't you think? v) The fading force argument: again projection on your part. Perhaps - only time will tell. However, the point must be made that given his rather spectacular last decade or so it is, when looking to the future, a rather easy and lazy projection to make is it not? Even you say that he is not as spectacular as before: he has to keep being 'as spectacular' does he? What an extremely unfair crucible you use in order to judge him! And from that you then resort to tabloid generalisations - 'not half the manager he used to be', 'a fading force' et al - all based on your close study of him of course! You see if there is one thing you learn when studying psychology it is that one's opinion can never be settled. And yet this is what you do. You do not have any psychology credentials do you? From all of the above, you then make other conclusions/projections. In respect to those we can say that either we will never know or we shall see. But the truth is never simple Davey & never as simple as your black & white missives. One thing further: you say you can't understand why some supporters are upset about the sacking. I don't think that is true. I think you know why or at least I hope you know why. Because if you don't then what does that say about you Davey?

no.....emenalo & ors have bought the players...it's about time this fiction is shelved.

gee...what a great player he turned out to be...enlighten me Syd: how many goals & assists has he had again this year?

mmmm...well he would say that wouldn't he....emenalo is just an errand boy who's been sent out by the board in an attempt at damage limitation. Do you honestly believe, for example, that the team's total inability to convert this year is due to the way Jose sets up the team or the instructions he issues?

so....professional footballer totally relies on a manager to keep himself fit during the off-season.....

what a f**kin calumny. You should be banned for that statement.

crikey....wouldn't care so much if it wasn't from you ploks: 1) she didn't lose her job; 2) maybe....but irrespective of gender, there was no 'constructive dismissal'; 3) ?

mmm....some of us haven't been fickle at all.

Big f**kin mistake....again. What other club would sack one of the best managers in world football & the the season after that manager had delivered the title? Well, Real would I suppose. Is that how we want our club run?!? I'm truly appalled by this decision & part of my love for the club has died today. f**king spineless corporate world.

very sad state of affairs.

Reuters is saying no such thing. So why post that it is? I think that you've long overstayed your welcome here & I think that the mods have been generous towards your continued existence thus far but now this. You're not chels - we all know it. Be gone.

well....why do you bother? Do us all a favour and piss off for good.

well...I cannot say one way or the other as to why you post & whether that be for attention or otherwise - only you can answer that question: however & notwithstanding that, if you elect to post, usually, if not always, it is better to think about what you post: to say as you do (which you have ignored in subsequent posts by the way) that today's squad is better than the 11/12 squad then you will face warranted criticism. Further, to surmise, as you do, that I post to gain likes is somewhat absurd given that I'm probably one of the most resented posters on this forum.

hehe...again..needless & inaccurate speculation on your part: I only get riled by posters I care for - much as in life. What I do find tiresome however is having to read posts that are mostly dross & presume (by use of 'we") to speak for us as one...such as yours: hence the advice to you.

mmmm....one further thing, get rid of the notion that the CL is somehow more important than the PL: europe will never ever supplant the domestic in terms of priority - so stop using the 'we' when posting such rubbish, ok?

mmmm.....a few things: most credible posters on here now either don't respond to your posts or have you on ignore...why? well, this post of yours is a good example. first, to say, as you do, that the 11/12 squad was 'older & poorer" is complete bollocks - you either don't know about the quality of footballers or there's an agenda: given that the 11/12 squad & first team for that matter was pound for pound better it must be the latter. second, on the false straw-man you set up (ie. the squad was better) you then proceed to use the hilarious AVB argument as some ridiculous form of collateral to found the speculation that dispensing with Mourinho may be causative of this squad/first team achieving a similar result ala the CL as what RDM managed. you conclude by stating that, so it seemingly follows, there is no point in bringing in new players &, somewhat ridiculously, that a change of management would guarantee better results! you are a lightweight....we know it...you know it...and we know that you know it. A tip: in order to gain any sort of respect on this forum rather than post like a twat every other day - think about what you post before doing same.

mmm...prior to dealing with 'responsibility to create cohesion', permit me some corrections: First, Jose arrived back here in early June 2013 didn't he? So, not quite 'three years in the hot-seat' is it? So some hyperbole there wouldn't you agree? Second, you say 'we've spent a ton of money on new talent & sold many, many fantastic talents': well, let's just break that down - our nett spend over the 2 and a half years has been about 70 odd million hasn't it? Not huge by any means compared to the likes of City & United - City's nett spend over the same period is about 230 odd million - so we're less than a third of city aren't we? And who are the fantastic talents that we sold apart Mata & De Bruyne? As for 'wasting money' on Falcao, Papy & Luis: well...the first, a one year loan deal so not a lot there, the second bought for $2.3 million and Luis sold back for what $11 million? So hardly much of a loss there is it? So...again...needless hyperbole there by you isn't it? Your last paragraph is cliche ridden & again unhelpful. So....to the responsibility for cohesion theme: sure, a manager to a large part is responsible and I think it's fair to say that Jose achieved same in his 1st & 2nd seasons back did he not? Now that cohesion, which was on the wane at the end of the season last year has come starkly into focus hasn't it: a combination of certain players aging/becoming more immobile & a lot of players out of form has contributed to that lack of cohesion wouldn't you say?

mmm....do you understand the sheer naivete of that comment? Football is a team game. You can bang on all day long about the worth of "individual" players but the reality is that unless there is cohesion, understanding, rapport, simpatico with each other on the field in respect to positioning, timing, assisting etc etc then it doesn't really matter how many world class players you have. We currently have an unbalanced team & have for some time. We know that the core of this team has been missing for most of the season and the back half of last season. It is easy, and I believe lazy, to conclude, as many do, that with a different manager, that core will suddenly magically re-appear. Sure it might. It might not. But I think that a lot of these players are not nearly as good as they, or some of you, think they are. We used to have a team that had leadership & intelligence at the back, in the middle & up-front. Now....possibly still at the back but where else on the field?

What, if anything, has changed? He doesn't have the roster. It's the same old issue.