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So today we have decided Marina picks targets ?

Ok? so now we hope other teams want to buy our players? I was merely joking that hoping pep still wants him is clearly the typical attitude around here after a loss, not sure how your response here relates to that.

Remember when Klopp had a worse starting record than Brendan Rodgers.

Ah yes, we lost yesterday.

Pep wanted Jorginho

He won 2 trophies with United in 2 years, 4 since Real Madrid including a Premier League with us. Meanwhile Klopp and Pochettino have won nothing in that time. What is considered successful for him and for everyone else is completely different. We'll see where he pops up next.

You don't see how a man who has won the title in every managerial stint he has ever had could do it again ?

Strangely enough, I remember checking before, but Jose usually lasts longer than most managers. Longer than Moyes, Van Gaal, Conte etc.

Can't really bring that up when we are currently managed by a banker.

Article in the Times with text I stole from Reddit: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jos-mourinho-the-inside-story-of-how-it-fell-apart-cpcplt6wp José Mourinho: The inside story of how it fell apart There were no tears or speeches for disliked manager, who appalled club hierarchy by wearing hoodie to Munich disaster memorial, writes Paul Hirst Mourinho wanted Woodward to “shut down” Pogba’s agent, who he feared was trying to secure him a move away from the club Mourinho wanted Woodward to “shut down” Pogba’s agent, who he feared was trying to secure him a move from the club He had been expecting to take training at Carrington, but instead José Mourinho was sitting alone at a table in the restaurant at the Lowry Hotel at 2pm yesterday afternoon. Wearing cream chinos and a black jacket, the sacked 55-year-old sipped a cup of tea while looking out of the window. Behind him stood a grand piano, but alas Alexis Sánchez was not there to tinkle the ivories for his manager before he checked out of the hotel that he has called home for the past two-and-a-half years. After a while Ricardo Formosinho joined Mourinho at the table, but his former boss barely spoke to him. Instead, Mourinho’s erstwhile assistant coach just sat as his compatriot’s phone pinged incessantly. According to those present, Mourinho fielded call after call, then he was replying to WhatsApp messages from those comforting him after his sacking. After the pair had finished eating, staff members approached Mourinho to wish him all the best. They had got to know him since he moved in. Five hours before eating, Mourinho had learnt his fate. Ed Woodward, who spoke to players on Monday, delivered the coup de grâce at Carrington shortly after 9am. The players found out when the club issued a statement at 9.48. According to those in the dressing room, no tears were shed. You could count the number of United players who like Mourinho on one hand. Nemanja Matic, Romelu Lukaku, Ashley Young and Marouane Fellaini were fans, but the others? Forget it. David Moyes and Louis van Gaal addressed the squad on their final days as United boss. That was not the case with Mourinho. A few went up to see Mourinho in his office, but that was it. The United manager was not a popular man at Carrington. In text exchanges, some players often used four-letter words to describe him. When asked to describe Mourinho in a few words, one representative of a player said he was “a bit of a t***”. The first signs of Mourinho’s impending departure came on Sunday evening. Shortly after United’s woeful 3-1 capitulation against Liverpool, Woodward, David Gill and Sir Alex Ferguson — among others — congregated in a circle in the directors’ lounge at Anfield. They did not mix with their opposite numbers. To those present in the room, it looked like they were discussing Mourinho’s departure. In some ways, Mourinho and United seemed the perfect match when they joined forces in the summer of 2016. Here was a born winner, a blockbuster name for a blockbuster club. Just 18 months earlier, he had won the Premier League with Chelsea. But in many other respects, he was such a bad fit for United. Mourinho, as we all know, is a stubborn character. If he wants something done, he will do it his way, with little thought given to the opinions of others. When Mourinho turned up to the 60th anniversary memorial of the Munich air disaster wearing dark trainers with a garish white trim on them, and a hoodie under his club suit, some senior figures were appalled. Nobody had the gumption to tell him to put on a pair of smart shoes and ditch the hoodie, though. This was Mourinho. He did what he wanted. When he wanted his son, José Mario Mourinho Jr, to sit with him on the bench for the match against Swansea City in April, he made it happen, even though it bemused long-serving members of staff. “What is he doing here?” one asked. Mourinho’s first year passed off without major incident. He won two trophies, including the Europa League for the first time. In the summer of 2017 there was a little annoyance from Mourinho towards Woodward when he refused to pay the £45 million asking price for Ivan Perisic, the Inter Milan winger, but overall his second season went smoothly. Finishing in second place to Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City was not such a bad achievement. The cracks in Mourinho’s relationship with the board began to appear in this summer. Mourinho did not look crestfallen when he walked out of Wembley after the FA Cup final defeat by Chelsea in May. When one board member was asked how he felt, he replied: “Rubbish after watching that”. Then the gloves came off on United’s pre-season tour of the US this summer. Mourinho started off by shaking the hand of every English reporter at the JD Morgan Center at UCLA before his first press conference, but that is where the bonhomie stopped. By the end of the tour, Mourinho was sitting in reception at the St Regis Bal Harbour hotel, Miami, shouting: “This is sh*t, this is sh*t”, down the phone. The atmosphere between Woodward and Mourinho had become toxic by that point. On a personal level, Mourinho likes Woodward. The two enjoy joking and have meals together, but professionally Mourinho does not rate his old boss, particularly when it comes to his dealings in the transfer market. In the summer Mourinho was annoyed that Woodward had failed to sign a centre back. Woodward pointed out that he already had signed two in two years at a cost of more than £60 million. By July, the battle lines had been drawn. There were two sides briefing against each other inside one club. That does not make for a harmonious relationship. When Team Woodward briefed that they were confident that Anthony Martial would sign a new contract, Mourinho countered, letting it be known that he was willing to let the Frenchman go. When Mourinho complained that he needed a centre half to avoid a catastrophic season, Woodward briefed that nobody was available at the right price. Senior sources confirmed there was a schism between the two when it came to their respective approaches in the transfer market. Woodward vetoed the signings of the 29-year-olds Jérôme Boateng and Toby Alderweireld. When the season began, Mourinho tried to emphasise his point further by playing Ander Herrera at centre back against Tottenham Hotspur. Mourinho’s relationship with Paul Pogba then began to deteriorate. Mourinho blamed the player’s agent, Mino Raiola, for trying to engineer a move for his client. Mourinho told friends that Woodward should “shut Raiola down” and never conduct deals with him again. “Ed really did get in too deep with the devil when he started working with Raiola,” a source close to Mourinho said. By the end of September, shortly after the defeat by West Ham United, the atmosphere within the dressing room had hit an all-time low. “Nobody is taking responsibility,” one player confided in a friend. Woodward took note of the players’ anger towards Mourinho and he came close to sacking him in October, but thought again. Still, Mourinho’s long-term future was by no means assured. One sponsor asked last month if Mourinho could appear in a promotional video, but the club said no. When Mourinho claimed in an interview aired last month that four of his young stars, Jesse Lingard, Marcus Rashford, Martial and Luke Shaw lacked the “character” and “personality” to compete, Woodward was dismayed. “We would have rather he didn’t mention any names,” one senior source said. By that point, Mourinho’s constant calling out of his players had begun to grate on the board. The next manager will need to “build a positive atmosphere” and “create a united dressing room” one source said yesterday. The style of play under Mourinho, described as “boring” by one senior figure, also led to the decision to sack the Portuguese. Another was keen to point out that Mourinho had spent almost £400 million on 11 signings during his tenure, which suggests that he was backed sufficiently. It can be revealed that close friends advised Mourinho against taking the job in 2016 because they were afraid that certain aspects of the club had not been modernised since Ferguson’s departure. Mourinho hated the scouting structure. He felt it was too bloated. Why did none of United’s 50-plus scouts spot Harry Maguire’s potential when he was at Hull City, he complained. Mourinho also did not get on with some members of the medical department. They were affronted by Mourinho’s decision to communicate via email. Some senior members of United’s medical staff have not spoken to Mourinho face to face in 18 months. Mourinho was also dismayed at the lack of protection he felt he was receiving from the club’s communications department. When former managers and former players rounded on him, Mourinho felt United should have shot down their claims and backed him publicly. “The lack of communications is the thing that José remembers the most about United,” one source said. “He was left to be vilified.” Mourinho’s mistrust of the class of ’92 stretches back to when he took the job. Woodward was keen to keep Ryan Giggs on, but Mourinho vetoed the idea because he did not think the Welshman was a man he could trust because of his extra-marital affair with his brother’s wife. By the end of last week, the United board had had enough of Mourinho’s complaints. They felt that Mourinho was quick to blame others for United’s woes, rather than himself. The Lowry Hotel accountants will miss Mourinho, but United’s board will certainly not.

No offence but do you not get tired of repeating this stuff ad nauseam every day, to people who mostly agree. You are preaching to the choir.

Let's not go too far, he clearly had a huge influence on those players even well beyond his departure.

"these basques" We might be on to something here

Imagine being please about this

Just imagine his volley against Everton went in :(

OOf close alonso

Good work by willian there.

Similar stats to Morata. 0.33 vs 0.35 goals per game. Optics.

Alex Ferguson rarely signed African players as well. For some reason I think it was because he didn't like that they go to the AFCON mid season every now and then. So maybe he just hated AFCON eligibility.

Don't they also need PSV to get a result against Inter?

Good if he is guilty. Bit like the passion of the moment makes you lose yourself a bit hey. Good thing you weren't front row with a camera on you. Reading around this was just after Sterling had put in a rough tackle on Luiz. None of this is a punishable offence and the only thing you should have coming is looking a bit silly. Of course I have to preface with 'if he wasn't yelling something racist'.

Think he did ok. Stats wise he contributed more than Rudiger. Not a pathetic showing at least. Maybe first half when we were under pressure but then that is his trade off I guess. Interestingly enough, Alonso plays the 1-2 with Luiz before the crossfield ball in the leadup to the first goal, and ends up on the edge of the city box before half the city team gets there

pathetic, lol.

Now we must just kick on again and not revert to bad form like has happened in the past.

Lads