JT finally snaps and slams champions league refs

[The Brit]

will probably get punished for it, but he's right to moan...to have blatant pens down once can be put down as a one off, but to have it three games in a row (barca home last season, both legs v inter this season) is incompetence or something else...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/1...ark-ravin-mad-/

[PloKoon13]

Well said. And I think Ancelotti should come out and support him, and he should be red-faced with passion and with a blue scarf tightly wrapped around his wrist. If we're going to come out of this mess fighting, sending the message that our usually docile manager is so emotionally involved that he is raring for a scrap will do us wonders.

[The Moos]

Well said, JT, even if we'll probably get thrashed for it. Last year Drogba snapped and Hiddink came out in support. I really hope Carlo does the same. Show UEFA that the team is behind JT on this.

Two things made me react however.

1. JT said that he's not calling this a "conspiracy". Was it really necessary of him to point that out? If he hadn't said anything I doubt the papers would write "Terry says it's a conspiracy against Chelsea!". A part of me thinks that JT (and probably other Chelsea players) really do think that there's some kind of conspiracy.

2. "Fifty per cent was on us and 50 per cent minimum was the referee’s ­influence on the game." Not sure where JT learnt math but if 50% was on Chelsea then surely the ref can only have 50% as well? Or does the ref have extra per cent in a game? Is a game more than 100%.

Does JT have some scouser-genes in him?

[bluegraham]

well said captian

[youlots]

All UEFA/FIFA will probably do is chuckle and say to themselves: oh look the adulterer is having a whinge - nobody will care; let's ignore him and the issue of our continuing & conscious choices for a specially chosen ref for chelsea will go away until next year when, of course, we'll do the very same thing come the knock out stage.

JT was right to tie the refereeing of Ovrebo & Smark to the respect campaign generally but then holds back - good use of discretion to avoid penalty. But this is a much bigger issue in general and everybody knows it (see Loz's current thread on use of video technology & Dorset started a thread a few months ago etc etc).

In my view the best thing JT could do (for the game generally and his long term reputation other than as a great player) would be to run with the idea and wait say until the end of the season and then hold a press conference an announce that he and other players are going to set up a separate player's association lobby group for the introduction of video technology and for domestic, conference and international refereeing standards and rating system to be adopted by FA/UEFA/FIFA etc etc. I mean what part of a (apparently mutual) respect campaign means that you have to continually accept bad decision making in your chosen field??

These blokes are earning so much and now (collectively) have a lot of say in the game. Why they don't or can't, or (perhaps) don't want to put to good use the benefits of collective association to make UEFA/FIFA accountable I don't know. It's a bit sad - and meanwhile poor old Chels (that's you and me) keep takin' it up the arse year in and year out from UEFA and FIFA: so much so that they must laugh when they read the inevitable threads such as the old chestnut that does the rounds whenever we get thrown out of europe asking which comp. is more important to win (the answer being obvious) as a salve to our perpetual disappointment.

[SydneyChelsea]

I love that no one has mentioned Mourinho putting pressure on Wolfgang Stark before the game.

[youlots]

What pressure was that exactly?

[SydneyChelsea]

Pointing out how Inter had never won a Champion's League tie under Wolfgang Stark.

We've seen him do it before at Chelsea. It's his subtle way of influencing the referee.

[Bridgeboy]

I saw what happened at the end of the game and I thought that was a bigger disgrace than the actions of the ref during the game.

JT calmly walked up to the ref and attempted to talk with him, he even pushed and shouted at Mikel to f**k off as it was his job as captain and nobody else. The ignorant prick of a ref, who was obviousy on an agenda, just looked away and said nothing, completely ignored JT. Who the hell do these ref's think they are and how much longer can they hide behind respect campaigns ?

This is what I like about ref's in England, they will have it out with you on the pitch if you suggest they are in the wrong, how we get annoyed with ref's in England I do not know. The ref's of Europe have this same look about them, the turned up nose and far reaching look into space when you say anything to them, you guys must know the expression I mean.

The ref was told what to do and then told that when they come and hassle you don't say a word, it will infuriate them more and then they will speak out after the game and we can ban them further and bring their club into the sh*ts again. It is so f**king obvious. Nothing in that match was spontaneous, all f**kign planned. Total agenda and I will NEVER BELIEVE ANY DIFFERENT.

Edited March 21, 2010 by Bridgeboy

[Bridgeboy]

All UEFA/FIFA will probably do is chuckle and say to themselves: oh look the adulterer is having a whinge - nobody will care; let's ignore him and the issue of our continuing & conscious choices for a specially chosen ref for chelsea will go away until next year when, of course, we'll do the very same thing come the knock out stage.

JT was right to tie the refereeing of Ovrebo & Smark to the respect campaign generally but then holds back - good use of discretion to avoid penalty. But this is a much bigger issue in general and everybody knows it (see Loz's current thread on use of video technology & Dorset started a thread a few months ago etc etc).

In my view the best thing JT could do (for the game generally and his long term reputation other than as a great player) would be to run with the idea and wait say until the end of the season and then hold a press conference an announce that he and other players are going to set up a separate player's association lobby group for the introduction of video technology and for domestic, conference and international refereeing standards and rating system to be adopted by FA/UEFA/FIFA etc etc. I mean what part of a (apparently mutual) respect campaign means that you have to continually accept bad decision making in your chosen field??

These blokes are earning so much and now (collectively) have a lot of say in the game. Why they don't or can't, or (perhaps) don't want to put to good use the benefits of collective association to make UEFA/FIFA accountable I don't know. It's a bit sad - and meanwhile poor old Chels (that's you and me) keep takin' it up the arse year in and year out from UEFA and FIFA: so much so that they must laugh when they read the inevitable threads such as the old chestnut that does the rounds whenever we get thrown out of europe asking which comp. is more important to win (the answer being obvious) as a salve to our perpetual disappointment.

So basically a players union specifically targeting at seeing advances in officiating and fair play ?

[youlots]

Precisely.

[Zola]

About time.

[Mikstaw]

I still do not stilled the echoes fall off Chelsea Champions League football! After the Chelsea humiliation by Inter Milan, the London team captain, decided to take the knife, the judges of the European competitions, accusing them of mistakes costing his team promotion.

Two-legged tie both teams ended with the result 3-1, so the team from west London, had this season, say goodbye to elite competitions. England international says that this turn of events contributed to the judges, not unusually in helping his team the obvious moments of the game.

We played very poor games, but the referee played it even worse. - The Guardian quoted the player.

It operates on a terrible disadvantage at this stage of the struggle. We played at home, and no decision was dictated in our favor. We give their all for several years, beaten by a terrible refereeing. - Complaining.

German judge - M. Stark, who was the main arbiter of the match at Stamford Bridge, not even once whistled the field of criminal offenses in the Inter players. John Terry is convinced that both jedenastki one hundred per cent belonged to - the shot of lime, however - there was.

I do not intend to use strong words like 'conspiracy' but I am very frustrated by what took place that evening on the pitch. Didierze Drogbie offense to be quite obvious, but both the linesman, and Mr. Stark are not reached out after the whistle. - He says.

Chelsea captain during the meeting several times mentioned the opinion of the arbitrator. Stopwatch admitted that when the Germans claimed no decision that has treated him disrespectfully - turning back!.

Not shouting. I went to try to discuss it with him, but he explicitly avoided that awful poirytowało me. It was a pure lack of respect for my person. - Ends.

from: www.chelseafc.com.pl

[Maksimov]

Last season we played well against Barcelona and it was a bitter pill to swallow when we were knocked out, but this season we didn't deserve to get anything with the way we played and hopefully it serves as a wake up call because we clearly need one.

[The Moos]

Last season we played well against Barcelona and it was a bitter pill to swallow when we were knocked out, but this season we didn't deserve to get anything with the way we played and hopefully it serves as a wake up call because we clearly need one.

I agree. We didn't play well enough. But you can't ignore the fact that we should probably have had three penalties in the two games against Inter and those could have changed alot of the outcome. We could have knocked Inter out then (even if it might have been unfair).

[Maksimov]

I agree. We didn't play well enough. But you can't ignore the fact that we should probably have had three penalties in the two games against Inter and those could have changed alot of the outcome. We could have knocked Inter out then (even if it might have been unfair).

Sure, there might have been a case for a penalty or two somewhere along the line, but there are cases like these in so many matches all through the season for all teams. We just don't pay so much attention to them in matches that we're not involved in or in matches that we win. We have been lacking passion and creativity in so many matches after Christmas that I think we shouldn't embarrass ourselves by whinging about referees. Good teams create their own luck and we just haven't been very good lately. We've got the quality to play so well that we don't need "help" from referees to bail us out of a tough spot and we better get our act together if we want to win something this season. Today would be a good day to start the fight.

COME ON CHELSEA!

[The Moos]

Sure, there might have been a case for a penalty or two somewhere along the line, but there are cases like these in so many matches all through the season for all teams. We just don't pay so much attention to them in matches that we're not involved in or in matches that we win. We have been lacking passion and creativity in so many matches after Christmas that I think we shouldn't embarrass ourselves by whinging about referees. Good teams create their own luck and we just haven't been very good lately. We've got the quality to play so well that we don't need "help" from referees to bail us out of a tough spot and we better get our act together if we want to win something this season. Today would be a good day to start the fight.

COME ON CHELSEA!

I think I have to disagree.

No matter how bad we've played I still think it's not wrong to mention the refs.

And it's not own to creating our own luck. We've created the situations where the opponents have felt the need to do wrong and that should be enough.

It all comes down to what is right and wrong. The refs have screwed us over and deserves to hear about it.

Have we played great football? Absolutely not.

But just because we're playing bad doesn't mean we can't complain when a ref totally ignores several calls for a penalty.

And I guess the game against Barca has a part in all this as well.

[Aesthetic Relic]

I can undestand the anger at the refs in recent times, but if I'm honest we cant keep resorting to what ifs and maybes.

We didnt get a few penalty decisions our way......these things happen, they seem to happen to us alot, especially in the CL, but we should be creating the chances to score goals from open play rather than hoping for penalties. Against Inter we didnt do enough to win the tie. I cant even remember a save that Cesar had to make on Tuesday. That alone says it all.

No doubt JT will be hung out to dry by UEFA, he's had alot on his plate recently and this has possibly tipped him over the edge.

[Maksimov]

Yes, you can mention the referees, but the real problem is the lack of passion and creativity. We can complain all we like about the refs, but we can't ignore the fact that we've been pretty pathetic for large parts of the season and we've been lucky that our closest rivals have been dropping points as well. I think it's a waste of time to complain about refs, because that's not gonna get us anywhere. Just get on with the game and start playing like you actually want to win.

[Luckydevil]

Yes, sure we didn't play well enough and maybe we didn't deserve to go through. But what really pisses me off are all the wrong referee decisions. And it's not only us. Remember Bayern Munich first leg with the offside goal given and that was clearly offside even Klose admitted it after the match. Without that goal the outcome might have been quite different. And remember who the ref was. Tom Henning Ovrebro.

Who, again, the next day came out and admitted that it was a wrong decision. So what? Wrong decision? Who cares? Bayern? No, they went through to the quarter finals. And it's not like Mr Ovrebro has made wrong decisions before. So why do they came out and admit they did something wrong? It doesn't change the result. Last year when he said after our match against Barca, that he has made some terrible wrong decisions is was like somebody slapped me in the face. Maybe they should get their decisions right during the match and if they can't to that maybe they are just incompenent paid bar stewards. It's not like there's only one man on the pitch, there're the linesmen who obviously in some cases are blindfolded or something like that.

Sorry, not playing well enough is one thing. Having a ref who is not up for the job is another.

[PloKoon13]

I don't think our performance has anything to do with it. How many times do you hear a football journalist spout out the same tired old clichés about how winning despite playing badly is the mark of champions after Man Utd scrape/fluke past opposition who outplayed them?

The fact is that referees in our Champions League knockout stage matches have made a series of abysmal decisions, and a huge number of them were game-changing decisions which went in our opposition's favour, and absolutely nothing has been done about it. Every time one of our players tries to stand up to these corrupt bar stewards, we get fined or punished so we look like sore losers who are making a petulant outburst and throwing our toys out of the pram because we can't accept the fact that we keep bottling it in the Champions League, when this isn't the case at all.

John Terry is entirely right about this.

[L Essien]

well there were key decisions against us in both legs. so terry has a point.