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While chatting with a mate about football days long ago the subject of things said/done in haste at matches came up, that with hindsight, were'nt something to be proud of,nothing truly sh*tty mind,just not a...... 'good moment'.

Firstly, I told him of the Milk cup,(league cup)semi-final against Sunderland at the Bridge in '85.We were all convinced our name was on the trophy that year,after epic games against our old foe Sheffied Wednesday,how could it not be?.The thing is, Sunderland were the better side on the night and in the tie overall,what made it much worse was the display of ex Chelsea player,(and a very underrated one at that),Clive Walker.

It's fair to say he ripped us apart down the flanks, spurned on no doubt by the stick he was getting from us.In truth,he was only doing what all good pros would do and give his new side 100%,but as the tie slipped out of our hands, the abuse got worse,much worse.I'm not proud to say I joined in with all around me,shouting some real sh*tty things at Clive,we were just so disappionted,but that's no excuse.

It was his goal 2 years ago at Bolton, that more or less kept us in the second division that year,and he deserved better from me/us,......sorry Clive.

Secondly, at spuds in the mid eighties in a league game.It wasn't a good atmosphere thats for sure,lots of aggro outside & in, with mr plod everywhere.

Standing in front of us, behind the thick,heavy fencing which was the norm at the time,was the oldest copper i'd ever seen!.This old chap looked like noah's dad,with grey hair & beard,even his uniform looked ancient.

The things is,in keeping with the game's atmosphere,this old boy got stick,vile stick.At first I laughed & thought he deserved it........then as the abuse got worse,I stopped laughing and thought that maybe he didn't deserve it...........then when I looked at the expresion on his face,caused by all that vile abuse,I realised that he didn't deserve that at all.........no one did.

It was vile mob abuse of someone old enough to be a grandfather and it was wrong,pure & simple.......just wrong.

Still,what can you do?,I was young and Stupid,(missus say's I still am),just wish I'd been a bit wiser.

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agree wiv those............

wat about pompey away around 82 - near riot after the game for no reason whatsoever - we were in overflow stand, it was wood and it got wrecked

similar story at spuds, middle aged bloke getting wacked in front of his kids..............on that occasion some of us fans sorted it, but it was sickening

oh and the walk back up wembley way in 1994 in the rain

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Your probably right about Walker, but he wasnt the first and wont be the last to have a good game against a former club. Lets be honest frustration wasnt the word at that time. We ballsed up a chance of a proper trip to Wembley, and though nowadays The milk cup would be thougfht of as nothing, it certainly wasnt at the time.Abusing flasher" who most fans liked during his time with us btw was small beer. If you didnt notice there was a riot going on!

About the abuse of the copper. It was the herd mentality, nothing more, i wouldnt feel too bad about it, he was getting paid to take some flak, and probably got his revenge on an innocent chelsea fan after the game :Connie_threaten: The fact was our support at that time (especially away) was exclusively male, of which most was in the age bracket 15 - 30. not the right profile for educated decision making on any level, and given the conditions fans faced at grounds and the hostile behaviour of alot of police towards football supporters in general it was hardly suprising. I was probably there with you giving him worse than you was! :laugh2:

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While chatting with a mate about football days long ago the subject of things said/done in haste at matches came up, that with hindsight, were'nt something to be proud of,nothing truly sh*tty mind,just not a...... 'good moment'.

Firstly, I told him of the Milk cup,(league cup)semi-final against Sunderland at the Bridge in '85.We were all convinced our name was on the trophy that year,after epic games against our old foe Sheffied Wednesday,how could it not be?.The thing is, Sunderland were the better side on the night and in the tie overall,what made it much worse was the display of ex Chelsea player,(and a very underrated one at that),Clive Walker.

It's fair to say he ripped us apart down the flanks, spurned on no doubt by the stick he was getting from us.In truth,he was only doing what all good pros would do and give his new side 100%,but as the tie slipped out of our hands, the abuse got worse,much worse.I'm not proud to say I joined in with all around me,shouting some real sh*tty things at Clive,we were just so disappionted,but that's no excuse.

It was his goal 2 years ago at Bolton, that more or less kept us in the second division that year,and he deserved better from me/us,......sorry Clive.

Secondly, at spuds in the mid eighties in a league game.It wasn't a good atmosphere thats for sure,lots of aggro outside & in, with mr plod everywhere.

Standing in front of us, behind the thick,heavy fencing which was the norm at the time,was the oldest copper i'd ever seen!.This old chap looked like noah's dad,with grey hair & beard,even his uniform looked ancient.

The things is,in keeping with the game's atmosphere,this old boy got stick,vile stick.At first I laughed & thought he deserved it........then as the abuse got worse,I stopped laughing and thought that maybe he didn't deserve it...........then when I looked at the expresion on his face,caused by all that vile abuse,I realised that he didn't deserve that at all.........no one did.

It was vile mob abuse of someone old enough to be a grandfather and it was wrong,pure & simple.......just wrong.

Still,what can you do?,I was young and Stupid,(missus say's I still am),just wish I'd been a bit wiser.

If you were young and stupid you'll be well at home on this section of the site.

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I think most of us will have some regrets about things we did when we were young and impressionable.

I look back in my time in The Shed (1981-1989 mainly) and cringe at some of the songs I happily joined in on. Many racist and the likes of Ian Wright and Jon Fashanu were regularly targeted.

Side-tracking slightly, it amazes me how football has cleared up it's act and you no longer get that (rightly so) and yet other area's of society have deteriorated so. So on the whole, you no longer get racism and violence at football matches and yet street crime is worse than ever. The availability of pornography (I'm not complaining!) but the fact that kids can access it so easily. And you're not meant to swear at football any more yet f**k and c**t can be heard on the TV most evenings.

Mary Whitehouse will be turning in her grave.

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I regret very little of what i did in youth...(but)..a slight sadness makes its way into the cobwebs scattered in mymind when i went thruthat phase of getting the oppos SILK footy scarfs when going to away games....I used to aquire them n have em all over my bedroom wall...One slightly saddening one was at sunderland...we ,4of us, got chucked out, and walking back to our car parked in seaburn, i chased a lad and ordered him to give me his silk....He begged me not to take it but cruelly i did to show off...I still see his face when i reminise about the past and wish i could send him a tenner......Still..ive had my share of sh*t too

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Firstly, I told him of the Milk cup,(league cup)semi-final against Sunderland at the Bridge in '85.We were all convinced our name was on the trophy that year,after epic games against our old foe Sheffied Wednesday,how could it not be?.The thing is, Sunderland were the better side on the night and in the tie overall,what made it much worse was the display of ex Chelsea player,(and a very underrated one at that),Clive Walker.

Some fella ( slightly over weight) ran on the pitch that night and tried to lay one on him.

He wasn't the quickest to be fair, and Clive was jogging backwards to avoid him.

Was the 2nd leg when Dale Jasper gave away a penalty?

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I think most of us will have some regrets about things we did when we were young and impressionable.

I look back in my time in The Shed (1981-1989 mainly) and cringe at some of the songs I happily joined in on. Many racist and the likes of Ian Wright and Jon Fashanu were regularly targeted.

Side-tracking slightly, it amazes me how football has cleared up it's act and you no longer get that (rightly so) and yet other area's of society have deteriorated so. So on the whole, you no longer get racism and violence at football matches and yet street crime is worse than ever. The availability of pornography (I'm not complaining!) but the fact that kids can access it so easily. And you're not meant to swear at football any more yet f**k and c**t can be heard on the TV most evenings.

Mary Whitehouse will be turning in her grave.

mentioning your first point,when i was say 15 or so i had a mate who used to go regularly,home and away and he used to sing (to the tune of guantanamera) 'the only white team in london' truth be told i never heard that at the bridge,but i never liked,when he sang it.he ended up working for the club,closely with the first team in fact,but thats as far as i'll go.

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Was the 2nd leg when Dale Jasper gave away a penalty?

Think it was the first leg away and I think he gave away two penners. May have been 2-0 to them but my memory is fuzzy.

Went walkabout with SR and his boys after that game, and one of them confronted the biggest Makem you'd ever seen. The bloke totally shat himself, and was clearly not a combetant. I was actually glad everyone just let him past. This was typical of our chaps, we often did that, whereas the other London firms, the scousers and Mancs would turn over the scarfers and blokes on their own without a second thought. You can add the likes of Preston to that.

So back to the title of the thread - nothing to report.

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Some fella ( slightly over weight) ran on the pitch that night and tried to lay one on him.

He wasn't the quickest to be fair, and Clive was jogging backwards to avoid him.

Was the 2nd leg when Dale Jasper gave away a penalty?

I didn't mention it on the original post because if you weren't there, then you may not understand.Apart from the abuse,when the pitch invasions occurred,(before the police horses came on),we were all calling for clive to get a kicking from the guys on the pitch,how bad was that?.Thing is, at that moment,I/ we meant it.It was just pure frustration really, but something I'm not chuffed about to be honest.

As for the old copper,we've all met the plod with a sh*tty/bulling attitude,you know,the guy that hides behind the protection that the badge provides, while treating all like sh*t,well this old fella didn't look like that, a bit 'old school' to look at & to be honest, from the way he stood there & took that sh*t,a guy you can respect.He didn't belong there, but I guess he was just doing his duty,(fair play to him for that).

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