Unsavoury incidents

[SlobberJockey]

First of all great result lads! Puts us in good stead for Munich, now to rest the key players for the next two games! Think we've played 7 games in 21 days? Ridiculous. ANYWAY, first final yesterday after many years of waiting and during the day I encountered numerous unsavoury incidents:

1, This was the first incident I saw and probably the worst of them all. Walking across the road to Baker Street Station, saw 3 40year+ liverpool fans taking some aggro and banter from a small group of chelsea fans walking behind them (about 5 men of same age + 2 woman who incidently weren't involved). Midway through crossing the road, one of the liverpool fans turns round gesticulating at one of the chelsea guys who has said something. They both kind of pause and then the liverpool fan like clumsily attempts to kick him in the leg. The chelsea fan starts to get up in his face about it. Some chelsea fans try to calm it down and so does one of the pool fans, then the 3rd liverpool almost randomly gets involved in the frackus by running up to one of the female chelsea fans and slapping/hitting (couldn't tell properly) in the head. Her boyfriend, who is an absolute beast (6ft 3 at least) absolutely beats down this liverpool fan (rightly so) smashing him into the pavement and clubbing him to death (not death but you get the picture). Then more chelsea fans run in to break that up and police arrive. Police ended up letting both sets of fans go on their way/

2. A small minority of Chelsea fans singing about Hillsborough and calling Liverpool fans murderers who 'killed their own fans'. I think we're all well aware of how with Liverpool its never their fault and they're always the and also how they can't seem to let go of the past and just move on. Regardless though I found those chants pretty unnecessary.

3. How many liverpool fans had tickets for our end?! Saw at least 6 handmade signs requesting a swap for pool end tickets. Ridiculous. Also who saw the guy with king kenny written on his face going in to our end via entrance K. What a mug.

[Mike 93]

Where I sit in MHL, alot of people around me sing murder's, so that doesn't surprise me.

[stevo]

Looks like we did them off the pitch as well as on it.Up the Chels.

[moi]

Looks like we did them off the pitch as well as on it.Up the Chels.

That makes it sound like you're proud of the things Mike and SJ witnessed. The few (and I hope they are few) Chelsea fans who sing taunting songs about murder deserve nothing but contempt.

[Mike Carefree]

well done to the boy who only got physical when his lady was attacked..No manners these scouse..The reds were telling us all how they were gonna SMASH OURFACES and KILL US so perhaps in this incident theyll know you cant always take the piss out of chelski rentboys

[dkw]

Apparently a load of dippers fans were ejected for spitting on Chelsea fans in a tier below. Classy.

[Ben]

That makes it sound like you're proud of the things Mike and SJ witnessed. The few (and I hope they are few) Chelsea fans who sing taunting songs about murder deserve nothing but contempt.

I'm not excusing it, nor condemning it, but its a part of the game. Anyway Liverpool fans accused Chelsea of being behind Heysel, you can see why those chants happen.

[moi]

I'm not excusing it, nor condemning it, but its a part of the game. Anyway Liverpool fans accused Chelsea of being behind Heysel, you can see why those chants happen.

No, it most definitely is not part of the game. And whatever scummy bindippers may do, does not make it right for Chelsea fans to behave like scum.

[matamarryme]

Incidents like the chants about Hillsborough makes me sad. I am proud to be a Chelsea fan and its people like that which let everyone down and makes the team look bad. Of course we can have some friendly banter between two teams but when it gets vile/nasty/violent then it makes me ashamed. We should know better and reflects badly on EVERY fan, not just you.

When a couple of our blue fans boo-ed at the Tottenham semi final whilst in the one minute silence, my friends who hate Chelsea were outraged and said we were a disgrace... to those fans YOU LET THE SIDE DOWN.

[Lofty.]

If it's "unsavouryness" you're wanting, look no further than Liverpool fans talking about Liverpool fans behaviour at Wembley yesterday:

I have no idea what was going on - can only assume it was some scallies trying to get better seats - but the amount of fighting going on amongst our owns fans during the first half was a disgrace, and an embarrassment.

On the front rows of both sections I saw fights breaking out. I felt sorry for one older guy in about the 3rd row who seemed to be asking some of them to sit down so his small grandson could see the game. This commotion must have gone on for at least half an hour and was a real distraction to the game. It ended up with a load of stewards turning up and disrupting people's views even further.

At one point, some guy in front of us literally climbed back over 3-4 rows to confront someone behind him. I was that distracted by this that I missed the build up to Chelsea's 1st goal - just noticed Ramires running through on goal.

The grandfather and his grandson ended up leaving after the kid was elbowed in the head - he left in tears.

This then resulted in an absurd amount of stewards/police on the entrance to the block. My own lad was nearly refused entry back into the area after going the toilet cos he never had his ticket on him (I had it).

Disgusting. I didn't see that as I was in 513 but based on what I saw down in the bar area I can believe it.

I almost got into a fight at half time with some f**king scallies literally barging people out of way to get the front of the bar queue and then kicking off with the staff for not serving them.

Not sure where these f**kers come from but we have some proper f**king pond life following our club on away days sadly.

The number of men pushing women out of the way to get into the ladies' toilets was a bit rubbish. I don't mind men using the facilities, as there aren't enough for you lot at Wembley. But still, not need to beat women down to take a piss. Fighting among our supporters doesn't surprise me. Try going to the away games.

Had a small disagreement take place on our row (Block 505). We had a family sitting next to us, and one of their party had their ticket stolen outside, so things got a bit heated when a bloke turned up with the ticket. It ended up with a few of them being taken below by the stewards, and the family members returning, along with the lad who'd had his ticket stolen.

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/107465-wembley-block-511-a.html

Without wishing to tar the entire Liverpool fanbase with the same brush (obviously they're not all like that as such behaviour is wholeheartedly condemned by the more decent Liverpool fans), I can not believe for one minute that any Chelsea fans would so much as dream of stealing tickets from their fellow supporters, or of the other totally unacceptable behaviours described above.

[Ben]

No, it most definitely is not part of the game. And whatever scummy bindippers may do, does not make it right for Chelsea fans to behave like scum.

Of course it is, do you actually ever go to games? Tribalism is something that makes football special, it generates an atmosphere.

@ Matamarryme - whose to say the "murderers" chant is to do with Hillsborough? I agree the booing at wembley was embarrassing, but again the whole scenario with having to play so close to the Barcelona game didn't help that, the FA should have either put our game on earlier or on fri, but its not an excuse.

[moi]

Of course it is, do you actually ever go to games? Tribalism is something that makes football special, it generates an atmosphere.

@ Matamarryme - whose to say the "murderers" chant is to do with Hillsborough? I agree the booing at wembley was embarrassing, but again the whole scenario with having to play so close to the Barcelona game didn't help that, the FA should have either put our game on earlier or on fri, but its not an excuse.

We may be talking at cross-purposes, Ben. I was saying that accusing rival fans of being murderers is not part of the game. If you claim it is, then all I can say is that I am disappointed you feel that it is entertaining or "generates atmosphere" to use a tragedy to poke fun at people - even if they are Liverpudlians!

[linesy91]

Liverpool fan in front of me jumped up when Carroll scored so I grabbed him by his collar and politely told him he should be in the other end.. Livid but nothing mattered when the full time whislte went..

[HisDogSpot]

Liverpool fan in front of me jumped up when Carroll scored so I grabbed him by his collar and politely told him he should be in the other end.. Livid but nothing mattered when the full time whislte went..

Why are there scousers in the Chelsea end its bad enough we didnt get many tickets and there being taken up by scousers

Edited May 6, 2012 by HisDogSpot

[stevo]

That makes it sound like you're proud of the things Mike and SJ witnessed. The few (and I hope they are few) Chelsea fans who sing taunting songs about murder deserve nothing but contempt.

Yes I am proud of the Chelsea supporter who protected his girlfriend,these animals should be shown no mercy.

[matamarryme]

Liverpool fan in front of me jumped up when Carroll scored so I grabbed him by his collar and politely told him he should be in the other end.. Livid but nothing mattered when the full time whislte went..

If someone is going to be in the wrong side eg. Liverpool in Chelsea's side, the least they can do is be respectful and not cheer for a goal when obviously everyone is gutted.

[stevo]

Liverpool fan in front of me jumped up when Carroll scored so I grabbed him by his collar and politely told him he should be in the other end.. Livid but nothing mattered when the full time whislte went..

Should have screamed in his face when the full time whistle went.

[linesy91]

Should have screamed in his face when the full time whistle went.

He left extremely quickly at the end and I was too caught up in the moment to say anything to anyone haha

[Ben]

We may be talking at cross-purposes, Ben. I was saying that accusing rival fans of being murderers is not part of the game. If you claim it is, then all I can say is that I am disappointed you feel that it is entertaining or "generates atmosphere" to use a tragedy to poke fun at people - even if they are Liverpudlians!

I'm not saying its right, but it is a part of the game. Whilst its not funny like some of the chants sung at them, it is something that gets chanted at games vs them.

[stevo]

He left extremely quickly at the end and I was too caught up in the moment to say anything to anyone haha

LOL.

[moi]

I'm not saying its right, but it is a part of the game. Whilst its not funny like some of the chants sung at them, it is something that gets chanted at games vs them.

You have already claimed that it is "part of the game". It may be part of what goes on among a minority faction in the crowd, but it is not in any way, shape or form, part of "the game" to chant taunts which use a real-life tragedy to make fun of rivals. The fact that it happens does not make it a part of the game.

[Chelseaboy]

Anybody going into the wrong section at a football match has to be aware of what they do. In my opinion you have to show respect and not jump around like a loony when your team scores. If you do you are fair game. tbh its alot calmer now, back in 94 there were mancs in our end that were absolutley battered, there were so many people trying to get at them it was unreal. They were rubbing our noses in it and got what they deserved.

[Ben]

You have already claimed that it is "part of the game". It may be part of what goes on among a minority faction in the crowd, but it is not in any way, shape or form, part of "the game" to chant taunts which use a real-life tragedy to make fun of rivals. The fact that it happens does not make it a part of the game.

It happened, along with Heysel, both were tragedies. In both circumstance Liverpool fans had an involvement, weather it be rushing towards opposition fans, or rushing into the gates, that were clearly mis-managed by staff & police.

Football has been gentrified quite a bit since those days, but your still going to get fans taunting overs - that is a part of the game. Liverpool fans are renowned for singing about munich to United, its not right, but its part of the tribalism, like it or not.

[moi]

I think you are being deliberately obtuse now, Ben, so I'll end this discussion here.

[Ben]

I think you are being deliberately obtuse now, Ben, so I'll end this discussion here.

Ok its a part of "going to the game" - it doesn't surprise me when it sung, nor does it disgust me. I accept it for what it is, its tribalism, trying to wind up the opposition. We could have this discussion about the "Y" word as well, but again I look at it as part of going to the game.