To add further insult to the injury of the ridiculous sending off of Jon Obi Mikel, idiotically upheld by the FA in their blatant lack of wisdom, who have now decided to charge the club with failing to control their players, together with a charge of using abusive and/or insulting words towards officials against Steve Clarke.

BBC report here

What with the Blackbrun goal that was disallowed.

The extra 2 mins at the end of the 1st half at Old Trafford - when Utd scored.

The sending off - which should have been recinded

The penalty at Old Trafford

The 2 stone wall penalties we should have had last night

I wish we didn't get that penalty at Anfield now.

When the world's against you, it's certainly against you!!

I'm sure.

there were obvioudly terrible decisions against you in that game, all of which you should feel agreived about, but your players must take responsibility for their actions. Terry should have been suspended for trying to grab the card out of the refs hand

As a matter of interest, this is RedRob's take on the matter:

chelsea charged with failing to control their players in the united game, but John Terry hasnt been charged even though the ref included the fact that Terry tried to grab the red card out of his hand before he raised it. The picture on the beeb website clearly shows makalele (or swp, a little black lad anyway) trying to prevent the ref from raising his arm, how the f**k have they been allowed to get away with that.

the FA's protection of their national treasure and captain is ridiculous and makes a mockery of any disciplinary actions given to anyone.

What can I say that I haven't said already.

Piss off out of it, you 'orrible scouse git.

terry and clarke charged- what a joke. How about Ferguson's language at Joe Cole's tackle, what about United now-traditional rushing at the referee and crowding him? That should be on their f**king badge!!

I actually agree that JT shouldn't be behaving in that manner irrespective of how wrong he thinks the decision is.

Just as England's vice captain shouldn't be bleating to the TV cameras about demanding an apology from the ref for a poor penalty decision.

So which one is the FA's darling Rob? The one that was reported or the one that whose rear end was kissed when that apology was forthcoming.

I actually agree that JT shouldn't be behaving in that manner irrespective of how wrong he thinks the decision is.

Just as England's vice captain shouldn't be bleating to the TV cameras about demanding an apology from the ref for a poor penalty decision.

So which one is the FA's darling Rob? The one that was reported or the one that whose rear end was kissed when that apology was forthcoming.

if Gerrard had done what Terry did on the field, he would have had the book trown at him, if Terry had any self control and had made his remonstrations after the game, i would have no problem if the FA didnt act against him. His actions on the field, in this as well as many other games, is utterly deplorable and if that was anyone other than the england captain they'd be banned right now.

similar to when Shearer got away scott free with kicking someone in the head when he was Ingurland's chosen one.

he's been doing it for years and he should stop, thats my opinion Loz.

Stevie Me should have been booked for that dive against Villa. Instead he mugs the ref and gets a free kick

Stevie Me should have been booked for that dive against Villa. Instead he mugs the ref and gets a free kick

what dive? he didnt even go down? dont let your distate for the man cloud our memory. It could be argued he wouldnt have been able to get to the ball, it can't be argues that he wasnt fouled.

Stevie Me should have been booked for that dive against Villa. Instead he mugs the ref and gets a free kick

what dive? he didnt even go down? dont let your distate for the man cloud our memory. It could be argued he wouldnt have been able to get to the ball, it can't be argues that he wasnt fouled.

what foul, he kicked the ball past lausen(it was him wasnt it?) then ran straight into him before whigning to the ref and demanding a free kick, that was just as bad as a dive and he gets away with that sort of stuff on a regular basis.

Jack

I think you will find there wasn't even that much of a delay between running into Laursen and then claiming the free kick - he was damn close to claiming the free kick beofre they had even made contact. it was an entirely manufactured foul and thus every bit as bad as a dive.

I actually agree that JT shouldn't be behaving in that manner irrespective of how wrong he thinks the decision is.

Just as England's vice captain shouldn't be bleating to the TV cameras about demanding an apology from the ref for a poor penalty decision.

So which one is the FA's darling Rob? The one that was reported or the one that whose rear end was kissed when that apology was forthcoming.

if Gerrard had done what Terry did on the field, he would have had the book trown at him, if Terry had any self control and had made his remonstrations after the game, i would have no problem if the FA didnt act against him. His actions on the field, in this as well as many other games, is utterly deplorable and if that was anyone other than the england captain they'd be banned right now.

similar to when Shearer got away scott free with kicking someone in the head when he was Ingurland's chosen one.

he's been doing it for years and he should stop, thats my opinion Loz.

here we go again, you scumbag "if Gerrard had done this, if Gerard had done that. And that's what it's really about isn't it. You and your fellow self-pitying holier than thou history obsessed ratmunchers take JT's appointment as England Captain as an instult to the almighty Saint Stevie G. Forget about the lack of uproar at that twat's theatrics.

One more thing. I would have argued the toss in the thread you started but wasn't allowed.

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And that just gives yet more reason to believe that this forum would be better off without your presence.

couldnt give a toss who's england captain (edit), i dont support england all that often. I just think the decision not to suspoend him for his actions was a bad one, and feel pretty much anyone else in the league would have been punished for it. thats all.

Go on Lofty, defend John Terry's actions last sunday, see how you get on.

The point of this thread is that in the first place, Mikel's sending off was bang out of order, that the FA's decision to uphold the sending off and the three match ban shows them to be either corrupt and/or incompetent. The club have been charged, JT's behaviour is a contributory factor towards that charge. Only a vindivctive Scouse git like yourself would be outraged at the lack of further punishment.

So you don't give a monkey's about England. So I suppose that the increased level of abuse directed at JT merely coincided with his appointment as England manager?

I actually agree that JT shouldn't be behaving in that manner irrespective of how wrong he thinks the decision is.

Just as England's vice captain shouldn't be bleating to the TV cameras about demanding an apology from the ref for a poor penalty decision.

So which one is the FA's darling Rob? The one that was reported or the one that whose rear end was kissed when that apology was forthcoming.

Terry didn't do that much really. It's not like he took the card from the ref. Maybe he should have just stood back, let the ref show the card (which happened surprisingly fast) and then start to talk to him but as captain I feel that he did the right thing and tried to talk before the card was shown. He didn't obstruct the ref much and I see little wrong with it. I've seen worse.

As for speaking his mind to the TV cameras. Why shouldn't he? Because it's not nice?

Well I say f*ck nice. F*ck the TV cameras. F*ck the ref. F*ck the FA.

It was a dive and if Pool could get an appology for our penalty then we should get one too.

The point of this thread is that in the first place, Mikel's sending off was bang out of order, that the FA's decision to uphold the sending off and the three match ban shows them to be either corrupt and/or incompetent. The club have been charged, JT's behaviour is a contributory factor towards that charge. Only a vindivctive Scouse c*** like yourself would be outraged at the lack of further punishment.

So you don't give a F*** about England. So I suppose that the increased level of abuse directed at JT merely coincided with his appointment as England manager?

i said in my post, you did have some shocking decisions go against you, and i doubt they would have been given against you anywhere other than Old Trafford, and i can understand you all feeling aggrieved, i would too. It doesnt excuse Terry's (along with other players) behaviour.

I notice you declined to argue Terry's corner as well Lofty.

The point of this thread is that in the first place, Mikel's sending off was bang out of order, that the FA's decision to uphold the sending off and the three match ban shows them to be either corrupt and/or incompetent. The club have been charged, JT's behaviour is a contributory factor towards that charge. Only a vindivctive Scouse c*** like yourself would be outraged at the lack of further punishment.

So you don't give a F*** about England. So I suppose that the increased level of abuse directed at JT merely coincided with his appointment as England manager?

i said in my post, you did have some shocking decisions go against you, and i doubt they would have been given against you anywhere other than Old Trafford, and i can understand you all feeling aggrieved, i would too. It doesnt excuse Terry's (along with other players) behaviour.

I notice you declined to argue Terry's corner as well Lofty.

what's to defend? As Moos said, he didn't do anything that was worthy of a further, individual disciplinary charge.

Do me one favour though. Drop the act. Whilst you may like to believe that I am alone in my attidude towards you, this pretence of yours that you are that mythical creature, a reasonable Scouser, fools nobody.

I think JT's action was just the reaction of a shocked captain trying to plead with the idiotic ref. Everyone knows it was never a sending off.

If you see it again, watch the refs VERY camp reaction:

"Let go of my card!"

Poor love!

As for Clarkie, abusive language was the thin end of the wedge - anyone with anything about them would have knocked the tosspot out! Probably the most cowardly referreing performance I've ever seen.

On a more general note, it's about time we used a video ref for all these decisions, especially when you can't recind a red card for a yellow one.

The point of this thread is that in the first place, Mikel's sending off was bang out of order, that the FA's decision to uphold the sending off and the three match ban shows them to be either corrupt and/or incompetent. The club have been charged, JT's behaviour is a contributory factor towards that charge. Only a vindivctive Scouse c*** like yourself would be outraged at the lack of further punishment.

So you don't give a F*** about England. So I suppose that the increased level of abuse directed at JT merely coincided with his appointment as England manager?

i said in my post, you did have some shocking decisions go against you, and i doubt they would have been given against you anywhere other than Old Trafford, and i can understand you all feeling aggrieved, i would too. It doesnt excuse Terry's (along with other players) behaviour.

I notice you declined to argue Terry's corner as well Lofty.

what's to defend? As Moos said, he didn't do anything that was worthy of a further, individual disciplinary charge.

Do me one favour though. Drop the act. Whilst you may like to believe that I am alone in my attidude towards you, this pretence of yours that you are that mythical creature, a reasonable Scouser, fools nobody.

so you think it is acceptable for players to attempt to prevent a referee from showing someone a red card? If you do i think that is astonishing. If it Ronaldo that was being red carded and it was Rooney who had done the same thing, would you still think it was acceptable? I don't and neither would I if it was gerrard or carragher or torres or any other of our players.

I think JT's action was just the reaction of a shocked captain trying to plead with the idiotic ref. Everyone knows it was never a sending off.

If you see it again, watch the refs VERY camp reaction:

"Let go of my card!"

Poor love!

As for Clarkie, abusive language was the thin end of the wedge - anyone with anything about them would have knocked the tosspot out! Probably the most cowardly referreing performance I've ever seen.

On a more general note, it's about time we used a video ref for all these decisions, especially when you can't recind a red card for a yellow one.

it was a poor decision, although it was also a foul in my opinion, there was no need for a card of any colour. Having said that, Joe Cole should probably have walked for his lunge on ronaldo.

so you think it is acceptable for players to attempt to prevent a referee from showing someone a red card? If you do i think that is astonishing. If it Ronaldo that was being red carded and it was Rooney who had done the same thing, would you still think it was acceptable? I don't and neither would I if it was gerrard or carragher or torres or any other of our players.

Acceptable? Oh dear Christ, will you get off your high-horse you sanctimonious Scouse git. Firstly the issue, raised by none other than your obnoxious self, was whether JT's action was worth of further disciplinary action. I say no, you say yes.

Unfortunately I have to accept that your presence is still tolerated here. I don't like it. I think it is detrimental to the forum. You are no more wanted here than I am at TLW. Was it my reaction to constant goading that was "unacceptable" or my mere presence? Acceptable for Christ's sakes. You self-righteous, self-pitying, sanctimonius, sly, underhand

lying, devious, Scouse git.

Hi Rob!

See you kept your word and stayed away!

Hi Rob!

See you kept your word and stayed away!

Someon finally used the Phil Thompson smiley!

For the love of Mary, DON'T hold back Lofty, tell it as you really mean it, cause I'm with you.