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Claudio Ranieri

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Didn't like him at Chelsea, hated him at Juventus. Now he's taking over their main rivals. I dislike him even more.

But he's a born loser so Inter won't win the league this season.

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Didn't like him at Chelsea, hated him at Juventus. Now he's taking over their main rivals. I dislike him even more.

But he's a born loser so Inter won't win the league this season.

Urgh.

Didn't like him at Chelsea, hated him at Juventus. Now he's taking over their main rivals. I dislike him even more.

But he's a born loser so Inter won't win the league this season.

So he managed your two favorite clubs, and yet you hate him and call him a born loser? That makes zero sense.

Juve were lucky to have him after the mess that club was in. That club shot itself in the foot with the antics of Moggi, and only now are recovering to a level anywhere close to they were before Calicopoli. THe debate about him here will go on endlessly but I never wanted to see him sacked despite what happened afterward. And I doubt PArma and Roma would have a bad word to say about him, since this "born loser" left their clubs much better off than he found them.

The man is 100% class and a good manager, and deserves way more than to be slagged off by fans from the very clubs he's managed.

Juve were lucky to have him after the mess that club was in. That club shot itself in the foot with the antics of Moggi, and only now are recovering to a level anywhere close to they were before Calicopoli. THe debate about him here will go on endlessly but I never wanted to see him sacked despite what happened afterward.

Well . . . he did screw up the Monaco semi six ways to Sunday, and his record in general has a lot of near misses. On the other hand, his record also has a lot of clubs taken to positions where they could complain about narrowly missing trophies; Valencia (first spell), Chelsea, Juventus, and Parma were all regularly finishing much higher at the end of his spell and shortly after he left than they were when he arrived, and Roma's best domestic season for a decade came under him.

Not a perfect manager, and I certainly wouldn't take him over AVB or Jose, but for a born loser his clubs sure do improve a lot when he's in charge.

Well . . . he did screw up the Monaco semi six ways to Sunday, and his record in general has a lot of near misses. On the other hand, his record also has a lot of clubs taken to positions where they could complain about narrowly missing trophies; Valencia (first spell), Chelsea, Juventus, and Parma were all regularly finishing much higher at the end of his spell and shortly after he left than they were when he arrived, and Roma's best domestic season for a decade came under him.

Not a perfect manager, and I certainly wouldn't take him over AVB or Jose, but for a born loser his clubs sure do improve a lot when he's in charge.

How exactly did he screw up the semi against Monaco? Yeah he started with Veron on the left but I seem to remember we had no options. Also, it was 1-1 in the first leg, Monaco got a red card, yet we lost 3-1. That falls on the players I'm afraid.

How exactly did he screw up the semi against Monaco? Yeah he started with Veron on the left but I seem to remember we had no options. Also, it was 1-1 in the first leg, Monaco got a red card, yet we lost 3-1. That falls on the players I'm afraid.

His substitutions in that game were hard to take, he made some massive mistakes. But I dont know how anyone can hate the tinkerman, especially after that game at arsenal and his reaction to the win.

How exactly did he screw up the semi against Monaco? Yeah he started with Veron on the left but I seem to remember we had no options. Also, it was 1-1 in the first leg, Monaco got a red card, yet we lost 3-1. That falls on the players I'm afraid.

He didn't start with Veron on the left. He started with Gronkjaer on the left, then replaced him with Veron at halftime; Frank, who'd been running the midfield in the first half, quieted down substantially with the loss of an option out wide. Once we were a man up, he pulled Melchiot for Hasselbaink, then took Parker off for Huth, leaving us with three central defenders, three center-forwards, and zero clue what formation we were trying to play; as I recall Huth wound up trying to fill in at right-back, with predictable results.

Claudio did a lot of great things for the club, with the quarterfinal at Highbury particularly memorable, but there's no question Monaco was a disaster.

Claudio did a lot of great things for the club, with the quarterfinal at Highbury particularly memorable, but there's no question Monaco was a disaster.

The less said about the Monaco incident, the better, but many of the key players from Jose's era were actually Claudio's signings: Lampard, Makelele, Duff, Robben, Cech, Gallas... Joe Cole and Eidur also played their part in the success. Claudio's got a good eye for talent, but for some reason he has never been able to take his projects all the way to victory. But to say he's a loser, is a bit harsh, to say the least.

Well . . . he did screw up the Monaco semi six ways to Sunday, and his record in general has a lot of near misses. On the other hand, his record also has a lot of clubs taken to positions where they could complain about narrowly missing trophies; Valencia (first spell), Chelsea, Juventus, and Parma were all regularly finishing much higher at the end of his spell and shortly after he left than they were when he arrived, and Roma's best domestic season for a decade came under him.

Not a perfect manager, and I certainly wouldn't take him over AVB or Jose, but for a born loser his clubs sure do improve a lot when he's in charge.

Yes, he screwed that up. But everything else you and I have said is true. He has a proven track record for taking teams that have no business competing and getting them to shape up and punch above their weight.

If Juve fans were thinking he was going to take them straight from promotion to being back in the top four they were delusional. A false start with several managers and several high profile bust transfers later, they are right back in the same place Claudio left them.

Moratti is either too foolish to hire guys like Rafa and Gasperini in the first place or too demanding with no patience. The patience bit could be attributed to post Jose syndrome which we went through in 2007 and 2008. Claudio should do a good job given the squad and talent they have. If they are in the race come Jan I would probably put a 20 pound on them winning the Serie A.

Didn't like him at Chelsea, hated him at Juventus. Now he's taking over their main rivals. I dislike him even more. But he's a born loser so Inter won't win the league this season.

Behooving bovinism Moos?

Urgh.

Which stands for?

Utterly Right, Good Horse?

No, I'm a Moos.

Sometimes I wonder if you even like Chelsea.

Oh no, I hate Chelsea with all my might. Which is why I've spent years on this forum. Nothing says "I loathe Chelsea" like saying how I adore JT, love Lamps and worship Drogba, Essien and the rest.

You realize that without him Abramovich would never have bought Chelsea?

Really? So I guess Ranieri got down on both knees, gave Roman the worlds greatest blowjobs and therefore convinced him to buy Chelsea.

Oh, and all the players who was at the club then meant nothing, so they are worthless.

So he managed your two favorite clubs, and yet you hate him and call him a born loser? That makes zero sense.

Juve were lucky to have him after the mess that club was in. That club shot itself in the foot with the antics of Moggi, and only now are recovering to a level anywhere close to they were before Calicopoli. THe debate about him here will go on endlessly but I never wanted to see him sacked despite what happened afterward. And I doubt PArma and Roma would have a bad word to say about him, since this "born loser" left their clubs much better off than he found them.

The man is 100% class and a good manager, and deserves way more than to be slagged off by fans from the very clubs he's managed.

Just because he's managed two of my favourite clubs it does not mean I have to love him. If Scolari took over Juve and failed there, I would hate him as well. I highly dislike him, but since he was at Chelsea I am forced to love him. Sorry.

And the born loser thing is all down to the fact that he rarely wins trophies, despite having managed some good teams.

He's not a crap manager if you want someone who can get the team to a mildly respectable position, but if you want to go on and win something I would not trust Ranieri one bit.

Oh no, I hate Chelsea with all my might.

Most of the time you do come across as very negative when it comes to Chelsea. I'm not saying everyone should like everything the club has done or is doing, but you do seem to often(more often than not) find the negative side to all things Chelsea.

Really? So I guess Ranieri got down on both knees, gave Roman the worlds greatest blowjobs and therefore convinced him to buy Chelsea.

Oh, and all the players who was at the club then meant nothing, so they are worthless.

Take a look at the players we had during the 02/03 season. We had an aging squad, the squad desperately needed fresh blood, but couldn't afford to buy anyone because of all the debt. Yet Ranieri managed to get the team working well enough to get us a place in the Champions League. The place in Europe was the main thing that made Roman decide that he wanted to buy Chelsea, so no, he didn't give Roman a blow job, but he did a whole lot to convince him that Chelsea was worth his time. We had some decent players, but A LOT of dead wood as well. Just go and check out the squad list from that season. And as I mentioned earlier, majority of the players that were key players during Jose's era were actually Claudio's signings(and that includes Robben and Cech). Sure, Jose took the team to another level, but the early success was largely done with a squad that Claudio built.

Edited by Maksimov

Really? So I guess Ranieri got down on both knees, gave Roman the worlds greatest blowjobs and therefore convinced him to buy Chelsea.

Oh, and all the players who was at the club then meant nothing, so they are worthless.

You surely realize that when Roman was sounding out clubs for a takeover it was ourselves, Liverpool and Tottenham sh*tspur in the running for his patronage? And that it was the fact that Chelsea had overachieved, and made it into Europe, that made his mind up. That team was aging, lacked reinforcements, and was (if you believe the rumors in the press) about to be dismantled by scavenging clubs taking advantage of our sickly finances, a la Leeds.

Imagine if we hadve finished 5th. John Terry wouldve gone to Arsenal for 15 million to replace Sol Campbell. Frank Lampard mightve made an 18 million pound switch to Man Utd to partner Roy Keane. And Jose Mourinho wouldve been lured to Anfield and handed a blank check to make Liverpool the dominant force in England again. But no, he helped get this team punching above its weight, and when it was all on the line we beat and established powerhouse of English football on the final day to seal a place in EUrope. And if it hadnt been for the (almost) "invincibles" he wouldve added a league title in 2004.

Nobody is taking the black and white view that the players had nothing to do with the success. But if we want to take that absolute view of things, then Claudio doesnt bear any blame for falling short, ever, because he wasnt out there on the pitch.

Just because he's managed two of my favourite clubs it does not mean I have to love him. If Scolari took over Juve and failed there, I would hate him as well. I highly dislike him, but since he was at Chelsea I am forced to love him. Sorry.

And the born loser thing is all down to the fact that he rarely wins trophies, despite having managed some good teams.

He's not a crap manager if you want someone who can get the team to a mildly respectable position, but if you want to go on and win something I would not trust Ranieri one bit.

Aye, you are entitled to dislike him, that is your right. But I guess I just dont understand it.

At Juve he took you from promotion to 3rd to 2nd. With the additions of Amauri, Iaquinta, and Mellberg on a free. Then he leaves, the team splashes out 50m Euros on Diego and Melo, and they finish 7th in two straight years, and burn through three coaches. I dont know, somehow I would guess you would look back whistfully on Ranieri's time in charge, rather than with such disdain for the man.

I would say, considering the position your club was in coming up form Serie B that what he did was pretty good, considering the dominance of Inter during those years. Did the fans honestly expect to go from having their team pillaged of many of its players and then relegated, to bouncing straight back and winning the Scudetto against a team as talented as that?

Edited by TheWestwayWonder

Aye, you are entitled to dislike him, that is your right. But I guess I just dont understand it.

At Juve he took you from promotion to 3rd to 2nd. With the additions of Amauri, Iaquinta, and Mellberg on a free. Then he leaves, the team splashes out 50m Euros on Diego and Melo, and they finish 7th in two straight years, and burn through three coaches. I dont know, somehow I would guess you would look back whistfully on Ranieri's time in charge, rather than with such disdain for the man.

I would say, considering the position your club was in coming up form Serie B that what he did was pretty good, considering the dominance of Inter during those years. Did the fans honestly expect to go from having their team pillaged of many of its players and then relegated, to bouncing straight back and winning the Scudetto against a team as talented as that?

Just because he took us to 3rd and 2nd place, it doesn't mean he was great. He was solid at times, but made many errors as well, which cost us points.

And it's not like he had a terrible squad to work with. The team might have spent a season in a lower division, but they still had some good players left. I think Trezeguet and Del Piero even finished 1st and 2nd in the scoring league.

After Ranieri left the club started making some really bad choices, so there's the reason for the bad run recently. Bad transfer decisions and crap managers. So yes, compared to people like Del Neri Ranieri didn't seem too bad. But it does not mean he was great either.

Just because he took us to 3rd and 2nd place, it doesn't mean he was great. He was solid at times, but made many errors as well, which cost us points.

Oh, now I understand! Good isn't good enough! So, if I understand correctly, it wasn't unreasonable to expect a Scudetto(something Juve had not managed to do without bribery for years) straight after promotion, right?

Edited by Maksimov

Oh, now I understand! Good isn't good enough! So, if I understand correctly, it wasn't unreasonable to expect a Scudetto(something Juve had not managed to do without bribery for years) straight after promotion, right?

You're wrong on so many levels.

You're wrong on so many levels.

So help me out here, then. What sort of finish were you expecting? 2nd, 3rd, 4th? Help me out here! If it was unreasonable to expect a Scudetto, what would you have considered a successful season?

Edited by Maksimov

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