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Still can't tell me anything at all that he has done in a Chelsea shirt to warrant your claim that he is a Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho level footballer when everything I see is him misplacing passes, losing the ball and hiding from the ball, when he is not costing us direct goals against.

Where did I say that?

The Gloucestershire Cup is trophy enough for me, @andy

It happened in Snooker when the big money came into it. All the emphasis was then on not losing rather than outright winning and all of the entertaining flair players. who were a bit risky got slowly beaten out. All of the contenders for the World Championship made most of their money playing exhibitions around the snooker and billiard halls. I saw several in the Craneswater Club in Southsea, and you often got to have a frame with top names, just for fun. The bold bit says it all for me.

I don't think it's the youth or otherwise that makes them plastic, it's the glory-hunting, I want it all and I want it NOW, self-entitled exceptionalism that makes them plastic, and age has f**k all to do with that. I blame the parents and the education system. Oh and twatter and the Celebrity Love Island's Voice on Ice Brother's Strictly Got Talent Reality "star" culture.

There are one or two of you who claim he is "a dynamic talent" or a "generational talent". Tell me exactly what he has done in a Chelsea shirt to justify that statement. Havertz may well have that potential, but, As Frank Lampard found out, we cannot afford to have patience and play him at all costs. He has directly cost us goals, and being in the side with performances like that is worse than playing with 10 men. I don't know what match you watched last night, nor what your standards are measured against, but if you think that was "a solid performance" then you have much lower values than me. Oh, and my views on DeBruyne are well known, but if he had had the patience and work ethic to fight for a place, he could now be doing for us what he mostly does for City.

I'm not arguing, mate. I think we English drastically over-rate the strength of the Premier League. My point was addressing the teenager who googles away to prove that Havertz is the reincarnation of Maradona, Eusebio and Bobby Charlton all rolled into one because he managed to score a few goals in what is effectively a 2-3 horse race. Same as claiming PSG to be the club equivalent of the 1970's Brazil team because they often win a league in which their main challengers are currently Lille and Lyon. A bit like Man City dominating when the next 2 best teams are Palace and Bournemouth. However this season there are a few more than 2 PL teams challenging, and a lot of the lower teams have worked out how to play against the top 8 or 10.

Mostly running around like a headless chicken or dashing behind an opponent to hide from the ball.

Of course they would say that, otherwise we'd be asking for our money back. I expect we kept the receipt.

Yes - as english isn't your first language you appear to have out an extra "a" in your sentence. "Bundesliga so weak that they have a few teams reaching late stages of the CL" There are 3 teams at best, so no-one with any knowledge of football can claim it to be a strong, competitive league. Bayern currently would do well anywhere, possibly RB Leiptzig as they are at the moment. Only Bayern have won the CL in the last 20 years and only Dortmund and Leverkeusen have reached the final in that time, so, yes Bundesliga IS comparatively weak. Seems when your Havertz reaches a decent level league, he is nowhere near as prolific. So, my matrix is fine, and, taking a leaf out of your sadly very boring book, I used google. How about that. Have they taught you the meaning of the word "petard" at school yet?

Mutu 🙂

And yet we still do - bunch of masochists, us lot 🙂 I find it difficult to believe anyone is more miserable than you, ya f**k.

Not a lot of improvement on previous as far as I am concerned. One run through the middle chasing the ball like a Jack Russell and never actually being on control at all, three separate passes straight out of play, and a lot of hiding from the ball. If I truly had been offered the manager's job as @Slojo so desperately wants, he wouldn't have come out for the second half.

Mostly in a weaker 2-3 horse league. Kezman had a good scoring record before he came to us as well.

If our new manager is astute enough to pick players on form and performance, neither Werner or Bakayoko Havertz will be anywhere near the squad. They both need some time to recover confidence (in Werner's case) and to learn how to trap and pass a football (in Havertz's).

And if you buy information it is, by definition, suspect at the very best. Sleep well - see you later.

Facts are always free. And indisputable. That's why they are called facts.

for a change

Totally f**ked the quite good case you were making , there.

I find it very sad that people disrespect the FA Cup so much these days. And most clubs' fans would kill to have won 3 trophies in 5 years, or 10 years or, in the case of Spuds, over 20 years.

I'm wondering if, for the next few matches, I shouldn't replace Kante's Duracells with Co-op batteries, see if that makes any difference to the headless chicken strategy. Also, I'll obviously have to find a place on the bench for our wunderkind Hugh Gpotentialmour. I do know that I have solved the Havertz conundrum. I spotted him in the dressing room and, just like Arnold Schwarzenegger in Total Recall, he pulled the rubber body-morphic suit off over his head and it turned out to be Bakayoko all the time.

Alexa, shuffle songs by Funkadelic

I'm going to make a substitution on 60 minutes, take off Tricky Asf**k and bring on Mozarella Quattroformaggio to penetrate the halfspaces vertically

Listen, sonny, assistants can make as many suggestions as they like. We are going traditional, 2-3-5, proper wingers, inside forwards, a big lump of a centre-forward, and animal at centre-half and some nasty bastards at left and right back. Mendy Bastardella Bastardiccio Pete Useful Shuggy McThug Simon Longthrow Speedy Gonzales Tricky Asf**k Big Dave Dim Pouncy Lurkinho Jesper Wingwizardensen

Cool - I'll meet you outside Fulham Broadway about half past 7. Should be long enough to pick team, sort out some tactics and slice the oranges between us.