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Excellent player. Good age as well. Nice surprise as I expected him to go to Liverpool. 

Exactly. We should all be treated as equal and our skin colour shouldn't matter. The people in here seem obsessed with peoples skin colour. It's disturbing.
Just to add, the post you replied to said "a white bloke telling a black bloke what is and isn't racism doesn't sit well with me. No matter how much they keep saying that's what I'm saying, I haven't actually said this. All I said is I'm not going to find someone guilty of racism, or someone the victim of racism when there is zero evidence that is was racism. The victim thinking it was racism  isn't enough.
A perfectly sensible and reasonable position to take.

Exactly. We should all be treated as equal and our skin colour shouldn't matter. The people in here seem obsessed with peoples skin colour. It's disturbing.
Just to add, the post you replied to said "a white bloke telling a black bloke what is and isn't racism doesn't sit well with me. No matter how much they keep saying that's what I'm saying, I haven't actually said this. All I said is I'm not going to find someone guilty of racism, or someone the victim of racism when there is zero evidence that is was racism. The victim thinking it was racism  isn't enough.
A perfectly sensible and reasonable position to take.

Invalidating ones opinion because of skin color sounds like racism to me.

Arguments from authority don't always work, I completely disagree with the idea of invalidating ones opinion just because of their skin colour. 

You've actually just proven my point. I don't think you have been reading what I've been saying either as you've backed up what I'm saying.
I was very clearly told Bruto's case was racism and I had to believe it. That's what I take issue with. If you accept that not all wrongful arrests of black people aren't racially motivated, then you have to accept my view that Bruto's being searched doesn't have to be because he was black based on the information given.
My whole point is you have to judge each case individually and not just assume that because a black person was searched it was a racist event like Valerie claimed. 
So thank you for backing up what I've been saying the whole time.
 
The football season is starting up again. Let's get back to football.

Bruto's has no idea of the police intention that night. The police did something to him that has happened to me several times, but I'm being told I have to believe the police did it to him because he is black, despite there being nothing to suggest it, just because he thinks (doesn't actually know) that's why. That's ridiculous! I don't jump to conclusions without facts just because someone makes an allegation (which isn't actually based on anything other than what he thinks).
It's a reasonable position to want some evidence that something happened because of racism instead of automatically believing it must be racism, and so accusing the people involved of being racist.
The fact this position doesn't sit well with you says more about how you think than anything else. Do you believe everything that people say? Do you believe everything that people believe is true? Or do you look at the facts to decide? 
 

Neither can I. It seemed certain that Werner was going to liverpool.  Massive for the club that we managed to get him!

You've actually just proven my point. I don't think you have been reading what I've been saying either as you've backed up what I'm saying.
I was very clearly told Bruto's case was racism and I had to believe it. That's what I take issue with. If you accept that not all wrongful arrests of black people aren't racially motivated, then you have to accept my view that Bruto's being searched doesn't have to be because he was black based on the information given.
My whole point is you have to judge each case individually and not just assume that because a black person was searched it was a racist event like Valerie claimed. 
So thank you for backing up what I've been saying the whole time.
 
The football season is starting up again. Let's get back to football.

I don't know where Brutos comes from but if its from the backwards country to our west then it probably was racism. USA is beyond saving. 

I agree with you on America.  We're far from perfect in this country, but we're so much better than America when it comes to racism and how the police behave.

I'm going to dip my toe tentatively here I can't comment on what it's like now or even 10 or 20 years ago. Back in the late 70's and all through the 80's if you were out on the streets on your own or with mates after dark you'd get stopped and searched by the police all the time in London. I remember once I was playing away and didn't know the address or even the name of the road the girl I had been seeing lived on the old bill took the piss out of me mercilessly and threatened to tell the woman I was living with all about it.
If you were with someone who had a record even if it was for something minor chances are you would all get nicked (never charged) and spend the night in the cell. The police back then and I'll quote Mr Mackay from Porridge they treated everyone with equal contempt.

You're not reading the posts. It's the second time  you've done this. Please actually read the posts before replying.
You would know the answer if you had bothered reading my post. It's happened several times to me and I was also told I fit the description. That's a common thing police say when investigating a crime. I've also wrongly been put in jail for a crime I didn't commit partly because of police mistakes, so it seems you're wrong that the chances of it happening to me again are minimal. I've had far more bad luck than Bruto's has with being treated badly by the police. 
I never said that what happened to me precludes racism in Bruto's experience. Where are you getting that idea from? I am saying you can't just automatically assume that it was racism when exactly the same thing also happens to white men. Description doesn't just mean skin colour!  I never said it's impossible it happened because of race, but the fact it happened to a black man doesn't automatically mean it was racial. I'm not reasoning racism away. I just don't randomly accuse people of being racism without good reason.
Being black or white doesn't make someones opinion more worthy. It's not how it's perceived that counts, it's the intention and the facts that count. Being white doesn't make my opinion any less. 
 

So talented and he has so much potential!

I'm not going to have this discussion here. I just want to make clear that I don't deny that racism exists, and that I obviously condemn it.

It's not that I don't understand the issue that is at hand here. But it isn't beneficial for anything to claim racism when it's just not there. You see people(and I'm not saying you in this case) are almost 'searching' for something to be racist, when sometimes (and hopefully more often than not) it just isn't there.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and there isn't a problem in the press in this country. I haven't read newspapers for many years so I don't know, but that doesn't mean that that specific example was because he was black and people shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.  Sometimes people see what they want to see.
I do remember Beckham getting treated like that when he was young as well.  Pretty sure I remember Giggs and Lee Sharpe getting it as well 20 odd years ago. This has always been a thing ever since I as a kid. The press love, or loved when I read it to go on about footballers being paid too much.
I recently had a conversation with a couple of friends who black friends who were convinced police treated them differently because they were black. Only problem was it turned out that I had more problems with being mistreated by the police than both of them put together despite me being the only one out of the the three to have never committed a crime and being white. 
Claiming racism where there isn't any proof of racism (like in that original example) doesn't help the cause. 
 
I don't like that headline, I'm not going to go through every article posted and I never said racism doesn't exist in the press. I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and there isn't a problem in the press in this country. I haven't read newspapers for many years so I don't know, but that doesn't mean that that specific example was because he was black and people shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.  Sometimes people see what they want to see.
I do remember Beckham getting treated like that when he was young as well.  Pretty sure I remember Giggs and Lee Sharpe getting it as well 20 odd years ago. This has always been a thing ever since I as a kid. The press love, or loved when I read it to go on about footballers being paid too much.
I recently had a conversation with a couple of friends who black friends who were convinced police treated them differently because they were black. Only problem was it turned out that I had more problems with being mistreated by the police than both of them put together despite me being the only one out of the the three to have never committed a crime and being white. 
Claiming racism where there isn't any proof of racism (like in that original example) doesn't help the cause. 
 
I don't like that headline, I'm not going to go through every article posted and I never said racism doesn't exist in the press. I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this.

It's relevant because they are trying to point out is that a footballer who hasn't even played a game has splashed out millions despite not even starting a game. That's why they picked him, because he is low profile and still able to spend millions on a house. The media is obsessed with footballers wages and what they spend their money on. Of course Foden get's a different headline as his situation is different. He's hyped as the next big thing, and already part of one the best squads in the country. They are both stupid articles, and I don't think it's our buisness what they spend their money on, or if they have that much money so young without playing,  but it's not about race and I wonder (and worry) how peoples minds work that race is the thing they see when they see those two headlines. 
 
Anyway, this is about Hudson Odoi, and he has been treated fairly so far and race doesn't need to be mentioned. 

Excellent player. Good age as well. Nice surprise as I expected him to go to Liverpool. 

Not one person has suggested otherwise. I'm not sure why you felt the need to say this.
Also, being a talented footballer and professional athlete doesn't suddenly make you mature faster.
It's not pointless at all. We are all capable of remembering how flawed we were at 19, and how we made bad decisions. We don't need fame and money to understand young people are immature and make bad decisions. 

Not one person has suggested otherwise. I'm not sure why you felt the need to say this.
Also, being a talented footballer and professional athlete doesn't suddenly make you mature faster.
It's not pointless at all. We are all capable of remembering how flawed we were at 19, and how we made bad decisions. We don't need fame and money to understand young people are immature and make bad decisions. 

This is a silly thing you just said. You seem very ignorant when it comes to the legal system.
Police arrest lots of people every day when someone hasn't done anything wrong. Police will arrest anyone accused of rape, even if it turns out they didn't do it. It's just the start of the investigation and he hasn't even been charged yet. Being charged doesn't even mean you've done anything wrong either and he's not even at that stage yet. Her going to the hospital also doesn't mean anything either and is what I would expect to happen.
 
I haven't seen anyone say he's innocent (can you quote any post saying that?). No one should have an opinion on if he is guilty or not at this stage. Just wait and see what happens.

No. You're completely wrong. You seem to assume that everyone accused has done something wrong.  Being accused doesn't mean you didn't get consent . I'm amazed I'm having to explain this.

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This is a ridiculous thing to say. Having sex with a woman puts you in a situation where you could be accused of rape. Any of them could have accused you.  It's impossible to avoid this small risk unless you just never have sex again.
Being accused of rape isn't something that will happen to many people, so the fact you haven't been accused yourself is irrelevant. You have still put yourself in a situation where you could have been accused, which is what you're saying no one should ever do. 
 

This is a silly thing you just said. You seem very ignorant when it comes to the legal system.
Police arrest lots of people every day when someone hasn't done anything wrong. Police will arrest anyone accused of rape, even if it turns out they didn't do it. It's just the start of the investigation and he hasn't even been charged yet. Being charged doesn't even mean you've done anything wrong either and he's not even at that stage yet. Her going to the hospital also doesn't mean anything either and is what I would expect to happen.
 
I haven't seen anyone say he's innocent (can you quote any post saying that?). No one should have an opinion on if he is guilty or not at this stage. Just wait and see what happens.