Butch

Dear Friends, Here are the latest BPL standings after the 4-3 win over Leicester City in the Carling Cup at the Bridge. CONGRATS this time go to TT; well done, mate! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPL Standings 2007-2008 EPL Season Chelsea Supporters' Registry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Gp St Sb FS Pe Sc TG Pr Bo To Cu Av Rt Ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 Liam 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 351 176 178 na 02 Terje 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 335 168 170 na 03 Butch 16 8 1 15 2 5 10 0 0 118 2454 153 169 -2 04 Ossie13 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2284 152 167 na 05 TT 16 10 3 15 0 10 0 0 50 205 2402 150 166 +5 06 Loz 15 8 3 15 2 5 5 0 30 163 2153 144 159 +3 07 Pauly 08 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1182 148 156 na 08 Crystalballs 16 8 2 15 2 15 5 0 30 163 2226 139 155 +2 09 Tim W 06 8 1 15 2 10 10 0 15 138 895 149 155 -1 10 Amidu Lawal 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 154 154 155 na 11 Nick White 14 8 1 15 0 5 0 0 0 110 1965 140 154 -2 12 Coombsie 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1856 133 147 na 13 SergeyMS 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 837 140 146 na 14 Dan Harkin 13 9 0 15 0 5 10 0 0 120 1714 132 145 +0 15 TrubishBob 09 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1187 132 141 na 16 Kwadwo A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 138 138 139 na 17 Timothy A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 137 137 138 na 18 Lukasz 05 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 658 132 137 na 19 MadMac 12 6 1 15 4 0 10 0 0 91 1489 124 136 -2 20 Sam 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 134 135 na 21 Akinkunmi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 133 133 134 na 22 Jumat Tobi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 126 127 na 23 Derek Dove 14 5 2 15 2 0 10 10 0 103 1562 112 126 +1 24 Wycliffe 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 475 119 123 na 25 Onwordi E 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 120 120 121 na 26 TeaBarBoy 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 343 114 117 na 27 Yogic 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 339 113 116 na 28 Nadoo 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 113 113 114 na 29 Mike O 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 222 111 113 na 30 Ajibola O 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 108 109 na 31 Footiemadman 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 32 Oke 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 33 Ridwan 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 105 106 na 34 Egzon A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 98 99 na 35 Christan A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 88 88 89 na 36 Kayode 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 86 87 na 37 Unni 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 84 84 85 na 38 Usman A 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 161 81 83 na 39 John Berry 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 81 82 na 40 Aina Moses 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 41 Oyebanji S 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 42 Elias 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 70 71 na 43 Xavier 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 68 69 na ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Winners' Circle ------------------------------ 01 Butch 4 TT 4 02 Nick White 2 Ossie13 2 Pauly 2 03 Coombsie 1 Crystalballs 1 Lukasz 1 SergeyMS 1 TimW 1 ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank Score Predictor(s) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 265 Butch (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) 2 248 TimW (Man City ? home ? EPL) 3 240 Butch (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 4 238 TT (Middlesbrough ? away ? EPL) 5 225 Loz (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) Pauly (Valencia ? away ? CL) 6 218 Ossie13 (Bolton ? away ? EPL) TT (Portsmouth ? home- EPL) 7 215 Butch (Man Utd ? away ? EPL) 8 208 Butch (Birmingham - home - EPL) SergeyMS (Reading ? home ? EPL) 9 205 Dan Harkin (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) Nick White (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) SergeyMS (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) TT (Leicester City ? home ? CC) 10 203 Pauly (Rosenborg ? home ? CL) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Butch

The winner was scored by Lamps. Originally, they weren't sure if his shot had crossed the line and Sheva just knocked it in to be sure so his wasn't an assist either. Cheers, Butch

As I've said before, he doesn't look like he's enjoying his football. Having said that, he does look like he wants to prove to everyone what a great professional he is and that he can still do well without being happy. I cannot bear to think of Chelsea without him. Drogba? He's said he wants to move more than just about anyone else on this current squad. Lamps has NEVER said he wants to move. He has always remained committed. JT and Lamps are the heart and soul of this Chelsea. Sure, one day they will be replaced, but I hope Abramovich does EVERYTHING in his power to keep Lamps here. Grant's job of "rebuilding/retouching" Chelsea would be that much easier. I've kept note of Chelsea over recent years and Lampard seems to me to be the one we struggle most without. With him, our transition from defense to attacks is much smoother and we look much more threatening. JT may be the undisputed leader of the team, but he plays in defense and cannot marshal us going forward. THAT role is Lampard's. And he does it with aplomb. Cheers, Butch

I have to say you guys are a teensy weensy bit barsh on Callista here. I mean certainly your tone is a wee bit over the top, Gullit. Maybe I'm missing something here but she does make a fair point when she says that having key players back of course makes a difference. Having said that, yes, there are telling differences to not only the way we play, but seemingly also to our mindset, and Grant must be given some credit for that. Though he hasn't won me over, we are playing a whole lot better than what I expected at this early stage in his reign. I think I have underestimated both him and the players. Cheers, Butch

Dear Friends, Here are the latest BPL standings after the faloomping of Manchester City at the Bridge. CONGRATS this time go to TimW; good show, mate! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPL Standings 2007-2008 EPL Season Chelsea Supporters' Registry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Gp St Sb FS Pe Sc TG Pr Bo To Cu Av Rt Ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 Liam 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 351 176 178 na 02 Butch 15 10 4 15 10 5 0 5 15 170 2336 156 171 +2 03 Terje 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 335 168 170 na 04 Ossie13 15 10 3 15 6 10 0 10 30 189 2284 152 167 +3 05 TT 15 9 3 15 8 5 0 10 0 142 2197 146 161 +0 06 Loz 14 9 3 15 8 10 0 10 0 147 1990 142 156 +1 07 Nick White 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1855 143 156 na 08 Pauly 08 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1182 148 156 na 09 Tim W 05 9 4 15 2 15 10 30 50 248 757 151 156 na 10 Amidu Lawal 01 10 3 15 6 0 0 15 0 154 154 154 155 na 11 Crystalballs 15 10 3 15 8 5 0 10 0 152 2063 138 153 +2 12 Coombsie 14 8 2 15 8 10 0 5 0 122 1856 133 147 +1 13 SergeyMS 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 837 140 146 na 14 Dan Harkin 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1594 133 145 na 15 TrubishBob 09 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1187 132 141 na 16 Kwadwo A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 138 138 139 na 17 MadMac 11 9 2 15 10 5 0 5 0 125 1398 127 138 +1 18 Timothy A 01 7 4 15 8 5 5 10 0 137 137 137 138 na 19 Lukasz 05 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 658 132 137 na 20 Sam 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 134 135 na 21 Akinkunmi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 133 133 134 na 22 Jumat Tobi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 126 127 na 23 Derek Dove 13 9 3 15 8 10 0 5 0 142 1459 112 125 +3 24 Wycliffe 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 475 119 123 na 25 Onwordi E 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 120 120 121 na 26 TeaBarBoy 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 343 114 117 na 27 Yogic 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 339 113 116 na 28 Nadoo 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 113 113 114 na 29 Mike O 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 222 111 113 na 30 Ajibola O 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 108 109 na 31 Footiemadman 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 32 Oke 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 33 Ridwan 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 105 106 na 34 Egzon A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 98 99 na 35 Christan A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 88 88 89 na 36 Kayode 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 86 87 na 37 Unni 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 84 84 85 na 38 Usman A 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 161 81 83 na 39 John Berry 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 81 82 na 40 Aina Moses 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 41 Oyebanji S 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 42 Elias 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 70 71 na 43 Xavier 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 68 69 na ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Winners' Circle ------------------------------ 01 Butch 4 02 TT 3 03 Nick White 2 Ossie13 2 Pauly 2 04 Coombsie 1 Crystalballs 1 Lukasz 1 SergeyMS 1 TimW 1 ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank Score Predictor(s) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 265 Butch (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) 2 248 TimW (Man City ? home ? EPL) 3 240 Butch (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 4 238 TT (Middlesbrough ? away ? EPL) 5 225 Loz (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) Pauly (Valencia ? away ? CL) 6 218 Ossie13 (Bolton ? away ? EPL) TT (Portsmouth ? home- EPL) 7 215 Butch (Man Utd ? away ? EPL) 8 208 Butch (Birmingham - home - EPL) SergeyMS (Reading ? home ? EPL) 9 205 Dan Harkin (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) Nick White (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) SergeyMS (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 10 203 Pauly (Rosenborg ? home ? CL) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Butch

Maybe it's Ya? Cheers, Butch

I don't think the women on this board are going to take kindly to that; nor should they. Cheers, Butch

I actually think the Cech and Robben signings were instigated by Peter Kenyon as they were on Man Utd's list of long term targets. Claudio was likely asked for his opinion but I don't think they were HIS signings. Cheers, Butch

Obviously, it is going to take some time for Grant and Ten Cate to stamp their style on this squad of players. The main difference I can see is that we're moving the ball around quicker. In terms of the match and how individual players fared, I thought Makalele had another brilliant game. Our games are now a bit more open than they used to be when Jose was in charge. I'm not sure how much of this is down to us wanted to play entertaining football and how much is down to (a) injuries, and (B) players still not got their heads screwed on completely, but Makalele's experience is extremely important for us at the moment and I find that he is shining through. Essien is playing a few notches below his best and Lampard is slowly getting into his rhythm although I am concerned he does not seem to be enjoying his football so much these days. He's also not getting into the shooting positions he usually does (consistently). Joe Cole was definitely NOT off-side when Drogba knocked the ball through to him with the outside of his boot to send him through one on one in that first half. I just can't get over the number of awful refereeing decisions I am seeing in games. I am really getting to the point where I want to be done of all referees and just go totally to technology. Who the heck wants to have to keep debating refereeing decisions at the end of games rather than talking about the football. I think the standard of refereeing is dire, dire, dire! Anyway, it was a good win and it must be doing our confidence no end of good at a time when we need it. Finally, it was really great to see Bridgey out there for us. He put in some beautiful crosses. Made my mind wander back to the days of Crespo. Cheers, Butch

Dear Friends, Here are the latest BPL standings after the 2-0 home win over Schalke04 in the Champions League. CONGRATS this time go to yours truly, and may I say not a moment too soon, seeing as to how TT is creeping up the table! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPL Standings 2007-2008 EPL Season Chelsea Supporters' Registry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Gp St Sb FS Pe Sc TG Pr Bo To Cu Av Rt Ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 Liam 02 10 4 15 4 5 0 15 0 171 351 176 178 -3 02 Terje 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 335 168 170 na 03 Butch 14 11 4 30 0 5 0 15 65 265 2166 155 169 +10 04 Ossie13 14 10 3 30 0 5 0 15 0 180 2095 150 164 +4 05 TT 14 9 3 30 0 5 0 15 0 170 2055 147 161 +3 06 Nick White 13 9 5 30 0 5 0 15 15 205 1855 143 156 +6 07 Pauly 08 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1182 148 156 na 08 Loz 13 10 4 30 0 10 0 15 30 225 1843 142 155 +8 09 Crystalballs 14 9 3 30 0 5 0 15 0 170 1911 137 151 +4 10 Coombsie 13 10 5 15 2 5 0 15 0 183 1734 133 146 +5 11 SergeyMS 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 837 140 146 na 12 Dan Harkin 12 8 4 15 2 5 0 15 0 153 1594 133 145 +3 13 TrubishBob 09 9 4 30 0 5 0 15 0 180 1187 132 141 +7 14 Kwadwo A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 138 138 139 na 15 MadMac 10 8 3 15 0 5 0 10 0 140 1273 127 137 +2 16 Lukasz 05 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 658 132 137 na 17 Sam 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 134 135 na 18 Akinkunmi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 133 133 134 na 19 Tim W 04 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 509 127 131 na 20 Jumat Tobi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 126 127 na 21 Wycliffe 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 475 119 123 na 22 Derek Dove 12 10 4 15 2 0 0 5 0 158 1317 110 122 +6 23 Onwordi E 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 120 120 121 na 24 TeaBarBoy 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 343 114 117 na 25 Yogic 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 339 113 116 na 26 Nadoo 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 113 113 114 na 27 Mike O 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 222 111 113 na 28 Ajibola O 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 108 109 na 29 Footiemadman 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 30 Oke 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 31 Ridwan 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 105 106 na 32 Egzon A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 98 99 na 33 Christan A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 88 88 89 na 34 Kayode 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 86 87 na 35 Unni 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 84 84 85 na 36 Usman A 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 161 81 83 na 37 John Berry 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 81 82 na 38 Aina Moses 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 39 Oyebanji S 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 40 Elias 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 70 71 na 41 Xavier 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 68 69 na ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Winners' Circle ------------------------------ 01 Butch 4 02 TT 3 03 Nick White 2 Ossie13 2 Pauly 2 04 Coombsie 1 Crystalballs 1 Lukasz 1 SergeyMS 1 ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank Score Predictor(s) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 265 Butch (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) 2 240 Butch (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 3 238 TT (Middlesbrough ? away ? EPL) 4 225 Loz (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) Pauly (Valencia ? away ? CL) 5 218 Ossie13 (Bolton ? away ? EPL) TT (Portsmouth ? home- EPL) 6 215 Butch (Man Utd ? away ? EPL) 7 208 Butch (Birmingham - home - EPL) SergeyMS (Reading ? home ? EPL) 8 205 Dan Harkin (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) Nick White (Schalke04 ? home ? CL) SergeyMS (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 9 203 Pauly (Rosenborg ? home ? CL) 10 200 Coombsie (Middlesbrough ? away ? EPL) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Butch

Dear Friends, Here are the latest BPL standings after the 2-0 win over Middlesbrough at the Riverside Stadium. CONGRATS this time go to TT; well done, mate and welcome back!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPL Standings 2007-2008 EPL Season Chelsea Supporters' Registry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Gp St Sb FS Pe Sc TG Pr Bo To Cu Av Rt Ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 Liam 01 9 3 30 0 0 0 15 15 180 180 180 181 na 02 Terje 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 335 168 170 na 03 Ossie13 13 9 4 15 0 5 0 5 0 155 1915 147 160 +1 04 Butch 13 10 3 0 2 5 0 5 0 138 1901 146 159 +0 05 TT 13 11 4 15 2 0 0 10 65 238 1885 145 158 +9 06 Pauly 08 8 2 30 0 0 5 15 0 150 1182 148 156 +2 07 Nick White 12 7 2 30 0 5 0 15 0 140 1650 138 150 +2 08 Crystalballs 13 8 3 15 2 5 0 0 0 128 1741 134 147 +1 09 Loz 12 10 3 15 2 0 0 5 0 148 1618 135 147 +2 10 SergeyMS 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 837 140 146 na 11 Dan Harkin 11 8 1 15 2 5 5 10 0 123 1441 131 142 +0 12 Coombsie 12 9 3 30 0 5 0 15 30 200 1551 129 141 +7 13 Kwadwo A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 138 138 139 na 14 Lukasz 05 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 658 132 137 na 15 MadMac 09 8 2 15 0 5 0 5 0 125 1133 126 135 +1 16 Sam 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 134 135 na 17 TrubishBob 08 9 3 15 0 5 0 15 0 155 1007 126 134 +5 18 Akinkunmi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 133 133 134 na 19 Tim W 04 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 509 127 131 na 20 Jumat Tobi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 126 127 na 21 Wycliffe 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 475 119 123 na 22 Onwordi E 01 7 2 30 0 0 0 0 0 120 120 120 121 na 23 TeaBarBoy 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 343 114 117 na 24 Derek Dove 11 7 1 15 0 5 0 15 0 115 1159 105 116 +2 25 Yogic 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 339 113 116 na 26 Nadoo 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 113 113 114 na 27 Mike O 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 222 111 113 na 28 Ajibola O 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 108 109 na 29 Footiemadman 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 30 Oke 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 31 Ridwan 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 105 106 na 32 Egzon A 01 5 2 15 2 5 0 10 0 98 98 98 99 na 33 Christan A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 88 88 89 na 34 Kayode 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 86 87 na 35 Unni 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 84 84 85 na 36 Usman A 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 161 81 83 na 37 John Berry 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 81 82 na 38 Aina Moses 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 39 Oyebanji S 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 40 Elias 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 70 71 na 41 Xavier 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 68 69 na ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Winners' Circle ------------------------------ 01 Butch 3 TT 3 02 Nick White 2 Ossie13 2 Pauly 2 03 Coombsie 1 Crystalballs 1 Lukasz 1 SergeyMS 1 ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank Score Predictor(s) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 240 Butch (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 2 238 TT (Middlesbrough ? away ? EPL) 3 225 Pauly (Valencia ? away ? CL) 4 218 Ossie13 (Bolton ? away ? EPL) TT (Portsmouth ? home- EPL) 5 215 Butch (Man Utd ? away ? EPL) 6 208 Butch (Birmingham - home - EPL) SergeyMS (Reading ? home ? EPL) 7 205 Dan Harkin (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) SergeyMS (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 8 203 Pauly (Rosenborg ? home ? CL) 9 200 Coombsie (Middlesbrough ? away ? EPL) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Butch

Dear Friends, Here are the latest BPL standings after the 1-0 win at Notlob. CONGRATS this time go to Ossie13; well done, mate! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPL Standings 2007-2008 EPL Season Chelsea Supporters' Registry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Gp St Sb FS Pe Sc TG Pr Bo To Cu Av Rt Ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 Terje 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 335 168 170 na 02 Butch 12 9 2 0 0 0 10 0 0 120 1763 147 159 -1 03 Ossie13 12 10 4 15 2 0 5 10 50 218 1760 147 159 +8 04 Pauly 07 9 3 30 0 0 5 5 15 175 1032 147 154 +5 05 TT 12 9 3 15 2 0 10 10 0 153 1647 137 149 +2 06 Nick White 11 9 3 15 2 0 0 10 0 143 1510 137 148 +1 07 Crystalballs 12 10 3 15 4 5 5 5 0 156 1613 134 146 +3 08 SergeyMS 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 837 140 146 na 09 Loz 11 10 3 30 0 0 0 5 30 195 1470 134 145 +7 10 Dan Harkin 10 7 2 15 2 0 5 0 0 108 1318 132 142 -1 11 Kwadwo A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 138 138 139 na 12 Lukasz 05 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 658 132 137 na 13 Sam 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 134 135 na 14 Coombsie 11 8 3 15 2 0 10 0 0 133 1351 123 134 +2 15 MadMac 08 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1008 126 134 na 16 Akinkunmi 01 8 3 15 2 0 0 10 0 133 133 133 134 na 17 Tim W 04 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 509 127 131 na 18 TrubishBob 07 9 2 15 2 0 0 10 0 133 852 122 129 +3 19 Jumat Tobi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 126 127 na 20 Wycliffe 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 475 119 123 na 21 TeaBarBoy 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 343 114 117 na 22 Yogic 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 339 113 116 na 23 Derek Dove 10 8 2 15 2 0 0 0 0 113 1044 104 114 +2 24 Nadoo 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 113 113 114 na 25 Mike O 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 222 111 113 na 26 Ajibola O 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 108 109 na 27 Footiemadman 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 28 Oke 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 29 Ridwan 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 105 106 na 30 Christan A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 88 88 89 na 31 Kayode 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 86 87 na 32 Unni 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 84 84 85 na 33 Usman A 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 161 81 83 na 34 John Berry 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 81 82 na 35 Aina Moses 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 36 Oyebanji S 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 37 Elias 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 70 71 na 38 Xavier 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 68 69 na ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Winners' Circle ------------------------------ 01 Butch 3 02 Nick White 2 Ossie13 2 Pauly 2 TT 2 03 Coombsie 1 Crystalballs 1 Lukasz 1 SergeyMS 1 ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank Score Predictor(s) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 240 Butch (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 2 225 Pauly (Valencia ? away ? CL) 3 218 Ossie13 (Bolton ? away ? EPL) TT (Portsmouth ? home- EPL) 4 215 Butch (Man Utd ? away ? EPL) 5 208 Butch (Birmingham - home - EPL) SergeyMS (Reading ? home ? EPL) 6 205 Dan Harkin (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) SergeyMS (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 7 203 Pauly (Rosenborg ? home ? CL) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Butch

I promise this will be the last... You know how they say that a person deals with a loss in stages? Anger, depression, sadness and acceptance (or something like that)? I think it is going to take me a while to get over the parting of ways between Chelsea Football Club and Jose Mourinho. He literally did take the English Premiership, and Chelsea, by storm. He integrated himself right into the fabric of the club and stamped a brand of football, style and mentality, into everything Chelsea did. As such, Chelsea without Jose is going to need time to readjust. Avram Grant has the unenviable task of the "follow-up gig". Nobody wants to go on stage right after the best show in town. There's too much pressure and too many comparisons will be made. Plus, the audience never wanted to see the best show leave the stage! As such, they will harbor some resentment towards you. I want to go on record as saying that although I don't want Grant as our manager, it is not as much about the man himself as it is about my personal belief that the odds are stacked too much against him and we don't have the time for trial and error at this delicate stage (of the season and of our club's history). I think most Chelsea fans, or football fans in general, will understand what I mean about the delicate stage in the season so I won't really go into that. Suffice it to say, the EPL champions of the past three seasons have all has good starts and led from the fore. We are already behind as it is. We need to steady ship as soon as possible. But I wanted to talk a little bit about my thoughts on Chelsea Football Club's chance of history and my personal ambitions for the club. Don't let anyone kid you, we are not a club with the same footing as a Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, AC Milan or even Liverpool. Yes, on the pitch we can compete depending on the money we plough into the team, but long-term we don't have the same base of supporters to really compete; yet. I had high hopes when Roman came in, after the initial questions ran into my mind about whether or not we could trust him, etc... But those were not really footballing issues, just ones that could affect the club. But after seeing his obvious commitment, I did begin to see the chance of a good future with him. Clearly, I am happy that we've taken to branding the club through Peter Kenyon's expertise, as well as re-building our youth system, crucial for our long-term future and viability. These things are important, but I think one of the most important things is on-the-pitch success. I have a lot of old-school Chelsea friends and I love them to death. I really do. But, what happens when the current generation of Chelsea fans die out? Who will be following us? We need more new fans. I understand some old-school fans' dislike for "johnny-come-lately's" or "wagon-hoppers" but I think those are unfair tags for new fans. We need to expand our fan base. You look at all the "big" clubs; they have massive stadia. We're talking upwards of 50 or 60,000 fans for every match. I cannot honestly say that we could fill such a stadium at the moment. I love Stamford Bridge too, but I think if we realistically want to compete long-term with these "big" clubs we will ultimately have to move into a 60-000+ seater "Samsung Arena" or something like that. I think it is inevitable. We've been making fun of Arsenal and the fact they've had to scrimp and save since they've moved into their new Emirates Stadium, but in the course of about a year, they are already making a lot more money and their long-term future is secured. I don't want to give them any credit but I feel I have no choice (Chelsea old-school fans can insert here a comment about me buggering off and supporting Arsenal if I so like what they're doing - but that is not an option for me). And how do we expand our fan base? Success, pure and simple. Some people would argue pretty football, but I don't buy it. You have to do the basics first and then you can think about the aesthetics. Sometimes Jose Mourinho's Chelsea bored the heck out of me. but you have to admit that teams like Arsenal and Barcelona, pretty as they were to watch, did not enjoy playing us at all. And how can you argue with a 3-year unbeaten home record? That doesn't come from playing pretty football. Pretty football results in big wins interspersed with frustrating losses. I believe we needed to stick with Jose for at least 5 years and probably more like ten years to rack up the culture of sustained success that would win new fans and keep them coming. Only after we accomplish that first phase can we think about tinkering and "improving". What Roman is doing now with demanding "pretty" football is amounting to the Real Madrid/Barcelona approach but without the "winning history" that is keeping them going. Compared to them, we're still flash in the pan; slightly better than Blackburn but not much so. I'm truly disappointed we've thrown a really promising opportunity of really building an era down the drain. How many Jose Mourinho's do you think there are now? People were against us because we were successful and challenging the established powers. I think a lot of people have tried to undermine us, and disappointingly, they have succeeded. In a way, I think Jose's immediate success has given Roman the false idea that money CAN buy success. I have this feeling that he now feels it is he more than anybody else that is important, and he has the right to expect whatever he wants as long as he ploughs in the money. If that is the case, he is wrong. At this juncture, I wish it were I that were wrong, and I continue to hope I'm proven so. How many clubs of our stature pre-Roman could dream about not just competing with the big clubs on the pitch on a per-game basis, but also competing with them off it. This is a one-off chance and we really need to grab the opportunity to establish this club while we have this level of financial clout. But money only goes so far and so the financial side and the footballing side really need to be kept separate and run by experts in the respective fields. But what's done is done. My concern is how do we limit the damage already done, and how do we rectify this as quickly as possible. We seem to be keen on bringing in coaching staff to replace that which we've lost, and that will come in and support Grant in his role as manager. I've already said I have my reservations about Avram, although I cannot of course say he won't be successful if given the time. My feeling is that he won't be given the time and all this will just be a waste of time. If we're looking for a long-term replacement, I feel we need to move now. Despite arguments that this season is not yet lost, I think we're bordering on needing a miracle to win any of the big competitions. Maybe a good cup run is still a possibility. Maybe we'll put all our remaining resources into the competition that the players will most easily be inspired to win, not for the manager or club, but for themselves, as it is the remaining competition they haven't won together as a group - the Champions League. The 2-1 win at the Mestalla was hailed by all and sundry as the turn-around game. I didn't think we played all that great, and Valencia will adjudge themselves unlucky to lose that. But our players did show that there is still something left in the tank and that the right kind of inspiration can help bring it out of them. The return of Carvalho and Drogba of course also played a big part in making us look more solid and dangerous, but it would be a bit of a concern to think we've turned the corner. I don't think we have, and again I hope I'm proven wrong. I have gone on record as saying that while we're still in transition, there will be games where our players individual form will help us produce some impressive results, of which the Valencia result was one, but we will also have some frustrating results as well. It is going to be a ding-dong season until our dressing room becomes harmonized once again. Players are human beings. They have feelings. Sure, they're being paid top dollar and you expect them to be professional but you can't expect them to feel nothing. I am sure the players are trying to stick together as a unit and get back to producing the results. Maybe the manager will win them over more quickly than expected. Maybe we'll surprise everyone. I'm already seeing a lot of articles with this smug tone of voice from opposing fans, mainly Liverpool ones, who are writing us off with glee. They know we were one of their main challenges to overcome on the way to their main target of the EPL trophy (as well as everything else). Their relatively good start also has them walking on air. Well, I simply don't have the energy to argue at the moment, nor do I have reason as yet because we need to take care of our own business before we can really stand up and seriously argue our chances. But I'd love for this to be a possibility. And I'd love for us to do the right thing and appoint for the long term future - some like, dare I say it, Jose Mourinho. But as I said, that's it; I'm firmly behind Avram now. I want the best for Chelsea as well; goes without saying, really. Cheers, Butch

Saying Kalou gets into goal scoring positions is like saying Gronkjaer gets into crossing positions. So what? Cheers, Butch

Reminds me for a South American goalie (I don't remember who) who tried to get a match abandoned by doing something to his face after something was thrown onto the pitch in his vicinity. Anyone remember? Absolute disgrace. Cheers, Butch

Well, when you look back to your original post, I don't think it can be misconstrued for anything else as you're talking about "many posts here" and "these Chelsea fans that were hoping for a loss". If you mean fans from a different fan site then you should explicitly say so, particularly when you're clearly deriding them for what they're doing. Otherwise, of course there will be misunderstandings. I reiterate that nobody here has a hidden agenda against Avram. IF he can (a) stand up and be his own man as opposed to Roman's yeas man, (B) win over the dressing room, and © show he can manage against the top rate managers of our "rivals", then he would of course have our backing. One final point: history has shown before that if fans are going to be coming onto the forums everytime a result suits their argument to deride fellow fans who are not of the same opinion, they are likely going to have to take a taste of their own medicine sometime in the future. This is only one good win out of how many matches (two if you count the Hull game)? At this point, it is just as likely we're not going to win our next match as it is we will. Cheers, Butch

Dear Friends, Here are the latest BPL standings after the much needed win in Valencia in the CL. CONGRATS this time go to Pauly; very impressive prediction indeed, and it becomes your second win (both coming in the CL)! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPL Standings 2007-2008 EPL Season Chelsea Supporters' Registry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name Gp St Sb FS Pe Sc TG Pr Bo To Cu Av Rt Ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 Terje 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 335 168 170 na 02 Butch 11 9 3 0 4 0 0 5 0 121 1643 149 160 -2 03 Ossie13 11 9 3 0 2 5 0 10 0 133 1542 140 151 +0 04 Pauly 06 9 3 30 0 10 5 10 50 225 857 143 149 +18 05 TT 11 9 3 15 2 5 0 0 15 153 1494 136 147 +3 06 Nick White 10 9 3 15 2 5 0 0 15 153 1367 137 147 +3 07 SergeyMS 06 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 837 140 146 na 08 Crystalballs 11 5 2 0 2 5 0 10 0 83 1457 132 143 -4 09 Dan Harkin 09 7 3 0 2 5 0 10 0 113 1210 134 143 -2 10 Kwadwo A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 138 138 139 na 11 Loz 10 10 5 0 2 0 10 10 30 198 1275 128 138 +9 12 Lukasz 05 7 4 0 2 5 0 10 0 123 658 132 137 -1 13 Sam 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 134 134 135 na 14 MadMac 08 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1008 126 134 na 15 Coombsie 10 6 3 0 4 0 0 5 0 91 1218 122 132 -2 16 Tim W 04 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 509 127 131 na 17 Jumat Tobi 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 126 126 127 na 18 TrubishBob 06 8 4 0 2 0 10 5 0 133 719 120 126 +4 19 Wycliffe 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 475 119 123 na 20 TeaBarBoy 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 343 114 117 na 21 Yogic 03 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 339 113 116 na 22 Nadoo 01 6 4 15 2 0 0 0 0 113 113 113 114 na 23 Mike O 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 222 111 113 na 24 Derek Dove 09 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 931 103 112 na 25 Ajibola O 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 108 108 109 na 26 Footiemadman 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 27 Oke 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 106 106 107 na 28 Ridwan 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 105 105 106 na 29 Christan A 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 88 88 89 na 30 Kayode 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86 86 87 na 31 Unni 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 84 84 85 na 32 Usman A 02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 161 81 83 na 33 John Berry 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 81 81 82 na 34 Aina Moses 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 35 Oyebanji S 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 76 76 77 na 36 Elias 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 70 71 na 37 Xavier 01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68 68 69 na ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Winners' Circle ------------------------------ 01 Butch 3 02 Nick White 2 Pauly 2 TT 2 03 Coombsie 1 Crystalballs 1 Lukasz 1 Ossie13 1 SergeyMS 1 ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Rank Score Predictor(s) -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 240 Butch (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 2 225 Pauly (Valencia ? away ? CL) 3 218 TT (Portsmouth ? home- EPL) 4 215 Butch (Man Utd ? away ? EPL) 5 208 Butch (Birmingham - home - EPL) SergeyMS (Reading ? home ? EPL) 6 205 Dan Harkin (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) SergeyMS (Liverpool ? away ? EPL) 7 203 Pauly (Rosenborg ? home ? CL) -------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Butch

I simply have not seen anyone on here hoping for a loss. You must be mistaking pessimism with hoping Chelsea lose. They are two totally different things. And then you put "fans" in quotations as if to deride these people who have been pessimistic, and which you have now branded as wanting Chelsea to lose. I believe you are totally wrong. As for the blame-credit schedule, as you so call it, it is down to frustration. Most people on here don't have confidence in Grant. If he really does well for us we'll all be happy. He's associated with the perceived "control freak" nature of Roman, and I think a lot of fans also are getting the feeling the players don't respect him and are not "playing for him". I'm not saying it is fair, as it clearly is not, but it is human nature and we're ALL human. Cheers, Butch

Thanks, Gem. Cheers, Butch

Who the #$@^ was hoping for a loss? You can take your snide comments elsewhere. Cheers, Butch

Gem, I'm completely smitten with the first one of Lampard you posted. Would you mind if I made some modifications and used that as my avatar? It is perfect. Cheers, Butch

Many of us, well if not all, feel that Avram Grant is not the man to lead Chelsea following the departure of Jose Mourinho. On a footballing level, he may be a decent manager, although he doesn't really have the credentials to impress us. With time, he may turn out to do a reasonable job, a la Claudio Ranieri. However, a few things conspire against his success. For starters, he is inheriting a very disappointed and volatile dressing room. Most of the players are both disappointed and angry that Jose has been "allowed to leave". On top of that, Grant has been seen (it is rumored) to be part of the process/problem. I suspect players are not going to be entirely happy with him for that association. His lack of credentials (lack of top flight coaching badge counts against him as well) is not going to make his acceptance any easier. The bottom line is that he is going to have a hell of a fight on his hands to win over the dressing room. And win them over is what he is going to have to do in order to get them pulling in the same (and right) direction again. Without this, we are going to be very inconsistent at best and our play is going to depend on individual form rather than team strength. I've gone on record as saying that we need a strong personality, preferably with good track record, to win over the dressing room right away. Allowing things to go on as they are is going to be detrimental. Relying on the professionalism of the players is going to be inadequate, at least in the short term. The players are human beings. The players will of course rebound, given the time. But I feel this frustration/disappointment/anger bubbling underneath could lead to a snowballing effect in the short-term that is un-needed and unwanted. So, the sort of it all is that the ideal solution would be to bring in a Capello or Lippi, strong managers with proven track records who are available right now. Of course, whether Roman Abramovich wants to do that is something entirely different. Let's think about this for a moment. Avram Grant was brought in from Portsmouth and looks to be entirely an Abramovich signing. Obviously, there is something there Roman likes. I don't have any idea what, and speculation will only be unfair on him and possibly misconstrued. Chelsea have also been at pains to stress that Grant is a long-term appointment. These two things together make it difficult to fathom that he will be removed in the short-term. Where would he go from here? He's an Abramovich man. The logical move would be back to some "technical director" position, but how would that be viewed by people, including the players? It would also take some significant back-tracking from the management. Fire him? Really? Although I desperately want a big name, big personality, successful manager to join us (as soon as possible), I'm finding it hard to believe this will be the case. So, who's mistaken? Is it us for our belief that he doesn't have what it takes? Or is it Roman for believing he does have what it takes or that it is better to stick with Grant despite him not having what it takes so that we can have a better selection of managers in the off-season? Who in their current jobs would be available in the summer that are better than what is available now (and I'm talking Lippi and Capello specifically)? You can forget about Fergie or Wenger, as if I needed to say that. Hiddink is the only one I can think of. Rijkaard? Van Basten? Really? This is why I don't understand why we're waiting, if that is what we're doing. If we are, it must be Hiddink; there cannot be any other explanation. Back to the alternative though, if Abramovich fancied Grant enough to hire him, then I suspect he really does have faith that he can do something as manager of Chelsea. To be honest, I think he's over-estimating the former Israeli national team manager, and underestimating the unhappiness of the players. Either way, he's harboring some unrealistic expectations. To a certain extent, I have to agree that he is going to be hampered by the quality of players he has inherited. We're all now expecting the team to play attacking, uninhibited football, as the lack of that was one of the supposed reasons Roman wanted Jose out. However, he doesn't really have much cutting edge, or speed, in his front line. We've always been more about power under Jose. We have some skillful footballers, such as Joe Cole and Florent Malouda, raw skill in Kalou and raw speed in Shawn but I'm wondering is this is going to give the right blend to do what Grant wants to do. Drogba's Drogba - the king of power football, a bit clumsy on the ball in most situations (flashes of skill of course). The supporting cast of Shevchenko and Pizarro don't have any pace, and I haven't seen much of control or powerful shot on them yet either. Makes you wonder what they are going to be able to pull out of their pockets to surprise defenders. So I'm not seeing how Grant is going to be able to introduce much change to the way we play football with the current players he has at his disposal. Unleashing Joe and Florent may be possible changes, but you have to wonder if that is for the best. Still, we better hope it is. I think we need Lampard back pronto. I'm not saying he is going to score goals for fun and transform us back into challengers. I do, however, believe his influence in the top half of the pitch will bring us some much needed direction. I believe he does for our attacks what JT does for our defense. He's the glue. Before we even talk about getting back into rhythm or form, I believe that has to come back first - a unity. I've said it before, we're playing desperation football. We can't be doing that. We need to get back to the basics. Players need to be disciplined. And I hope Grant is not preaching otherwise. We're a team that has lost its way in more ways than one. I'm not getting the feeling the manager's doing an awful lot, or has the ability, to help us find it. But I don't think he's going anywhere soon and that is what is frustrating me greatly. Cheers, Butch

1. Because many squads have been improved upon while we are "going backwards". 2. Because the manager is important; the players cannot just go out and do what they like on the pitch and expect to win - at least, not most of the time. 3. Because Jose's exit has hit the players hard and they are struggling to get back their form/confidence. On paper, I would of course expect us to finish in the top four. I'd also expect us to be challenging for the title, but THAT doesn't look likely does it? The thing is, I believe for us to be back in the "hunt", we're going to need a new manager now. The longer we go with Grant in the hot-seat, the less likely whoever does eventually come in will be able to turn things around quickly enough. The manager is important, you know. Cheers, Butch

I think he meant we don't have much prospects as things stand at the moment, Loz. If we're able to turn it around soon-ish, then of course, the season is still long. But just looking at the squad operating without discipline, with players who are clearly rattled and unhappy, and with confidence running lower than it has been for a long while, as we watch the other sides pull further and further clear, does look a bit hopeless don't you think? We need a strong influence. The squad is a good one, but an experienced one. It is not going to give in to a manager who is clearly a step down from Jose and one who indeed may have played a role in his departure (may being the important word here). I really think we need a Capello/Hiddink/Lippi calibre manager and man - someone who will instantly win the respect of the players and get them pulling in the same direction again. I see Makalele's taking of corners yesterday not for what it seemed, a man wanting to do what he felt was best for the team under the circumstances, but for something symptomatic of a squad playing an indisciplined brand of football. Shevchenko is pulling one way, Drogba another, Joey one way and Makalele still another. They are all trying to lead in their own way because they feel the squad lacks leadership (I don't mean in a captaincy kind of a way, but a footballing kind of a way, if that makes sense). A loss, as expected, at Valencia and that would leave us a mountain to climb in the CL, with the EPL already going to be a bit of a tough come back. So, even though the season is obviously not over, looking at our prospects at the moment, it may as well be. I'm not being pessimistic. I am being realistic. And I most definitely hope I am wrong. Cheers, Butch

Very disturbing the way you put it Moos, but in all seriousness I would hope that the incoming manager would stick to his principles and do what is best. If there is a personality conflict, then so be it. But if the new manager would have to do whatever Roman wanted then we're better to stick with Grant and forget about anymore success. I think ultimately what caused Jose's downfall may have been his lack of diplomacy (+ other things that irked Roman and made him impatient). Really, I cannot see having a "yes-man" manager bringing us any success whatsoever. He'd have to be a heck of a man-manager, as opposed to great tactician or great team builder. And he'd really have to de devoid of any ego whatsoever. Now, tell me how realistic it would be to expect to find someone like that. Cheers, Butch