Star Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1797582,00.html Our 17 players is the key to everything ... CECH HILARIO IVANOVIC BOSINGWA ZHIRCOV ALEX MALOUDA BENAYOUN ESSIEN MIKEL KALOU ANELKA DROGBA Are certain to be named in my opinion, which leaves four places up for grabs .... Un-certainty obviously surrounds FERREIRA, DECO AND CARVALHO ....... The 8 Homegrown ..... TERRY LAMPARD A.COLE TURNBILL STURRIDGE Which only leaves 3 places up for grabs. OTHERS IN CONTENTION MATIC - Who will be 22 in August and arrived in 2009 - ONLY OPTION IS IN THE 17 Carlo has already said he will be drafted into the first team squad .... so the 17 now becomes 14 and 3 PLACES UP FOR GRABS BRUMA AND KAKUTA .... Both arrived in 2007 ... I am presuming as under 21's they can be added at a later date as per. the rules but for this purpose I am taking them both as shoe in's for the homegrown list .... so the 8 now becomes 7 and ONE PLACE UP FOR GRABS Which leaves .... MCEACHRAN VAN AARHOLT HUTCHINSON BORINI DI SANTO BERTRAND MELLIS SALA MANCIENNE SINCLAIR FERREIRA CARVALHO DECO I believe Deco, Mancienne, Sinclair and Di Santo have no future at Stamford Bridge and will be released. Rumours surrounding Carvalho are rife and if no transfer is arranged for Ferreira it would be harsh to ignore him from the final 17, Paulo has been a model professional since he arrived here, he deserves to be treated with the utmost respect either way. . With 3 players in the 17 and 1 player in the 8 left it's ..... FOUR PLACES TO GO! MCEACHRAN VAN AARHOLT HUTCHINSON BORINI BERTRAND SALA MELLIS FERREIRA CARVALHO Now is where the transfers come into play and why those negotiations going out affect those coming in .... I would guess if Carvalho goes we would replace him with a SIGNING .... Thus our 17 becomes 15 ...... thus 2 and 1 up for grabs But of course the 8 is a minimum, so Mceachran, Van Aaarholt, Borini, Hutchinson, Betrand, Sala and Mellis still have hope PLUS THE U21 NO RESTRICTION RULE IN JANUARY CAN BE PUT INTO PLAY. I believe VAN AARHOLT and MCREACHRAN stand along with BORINI and HUTChINSON as contenders, Hutch's injury problems like his legend of a namesake may be his downfall. My hunch is we will sign RAMIRES and VAN and JOSH will get the nod, either as the u21's or part of the squad. It's easy to work out the options are open to sign a TORRES or OZIL or SCWEINSTEIGER and shuffle the pack ... THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WILL BE INTERESTING ... Who'd be Man City with 33 plus players ? It's clear we have prepared for this rule, well done Chelsea FC !!
kibz Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 a couple of things with that.. The cut off point for the under 21's rule is 1st January, and Matic was 21 - so he won't have to be named in the squad. I also read somewhere that Mikel is classed as homegrown
Eggy McMuffin Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 What is with the SHOUTING? It's like reading the Sun.
Maksimov Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I also read somewhere that Mikel is classed as homegrown Did he join us three years before he turned 21? Wasn't he already 19 when he moved to Chelsea?
Maksimov Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 What is with the SHOUTING? It's like reading the Sun. Why do you shout when you read The Sun?
Eggy McMuffin Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Why do you shout when you read The Sun? Yeah, it's my intellectual side, which I usually keep quiet with beer and porn, screaming in pain at the CAPITALISATION of certain words, which the writers FEELS ARE IMPORTANT to grab your ATTENTION... instead of letting their writing style do that for them.
Maksimov Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Yeah, it's my intellectual side, which I usually keep quiet with beer and porn, screaming in pain at the CAPITALISATION of certain words, which the writers FEELS ARE IMPORTANT to grab your ATTENTION... instead of letting their writing style do that for them. Yeah, I knew what you were getting at. I just liked the mental image of someone reading a newspaper(I use that term very loosely in this case) and shouting at the newspaper and people around him.
loz Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I am 99% sure Mikel doesn't qualify. I also fully expect Carvalho to be with us next season with Paulo a distinct possibility so I expect them to make up part of the 17. I think we are in reasonably good shape with the flexibility to bring in players from home or abroad, not just for this season but for the coming ones as our homegrown players still have a good few years left in them and our youth policy is in much better shape than it has been for decades (maybe Arnesen will get some praise one of these days). I
Maksimov Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 (maybe Arnesen will get some praise one of these days) Some people will never give him praise. Even if one of our youngsters does make it into the first team, it's too little too late for them or that it happened despite what he's done, not because of anything he's done. Something like "a blind man could have spotted that talent" or "anyone can win the lottery". We just won the FA youth cup, but no one mentioned Arnesen. I know he's not the youth team manager, but surely he would deserve a bit of praise for bringing in (at least) some of the players in that squad.
dkw Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Is it right that changes can be made to the 25 during the January transfer window?
Maksimov Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Is it right that changes can be made to the 25 during the January transfer window? Are you questioning whether that's actually allowed or whether it should be allowed?
loz Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Is it right that changes can be made to the 25 during the January transfer window? Yes. Changes can be made at the end of every transfer window.
Hutch Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 i was just about to post the following article and this thread would seen an appropriate a place as any , linked to from rumour mill on the official site:. Kakuta, Hutchinson, Matic: ready or not? Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti has, no doubt with the help of Frank Arnesen, been plying his double-winning squad with promising youngsters this summer, so this season could herald the emergence of some talented next generation Blues. Every football fan loves to see home-grown talent coming through the ranks, so join Sport.co.uk in looking at three Chelsea youngsters who could be set to make a big impact at Stamford Bridge this year. Do you agree with our picks? Which other youngsters do you think Chelsea fans should keep their eyes on? What’s the minimum requirement for Ancelotti this season? Gael Kakuta – One year ago, there was much talk about how Fabio Borini - so prolific at youth and reserve level – was going to break into the first team. Unfortunately for the young Italian striker, he needed a hernia operation which led to a prolonged absence and, in that time, Kakuta – whose controversial transfer was, of course, also the subject of ‘much talk’ – has broken into the fold ahead of him. The 19 year-old Frenchman, who can operate up front and on the left wing, made four appearances for Chelsea’s first team last season, including one performance against APOEL that moved Ancelotti to describe him as “the future of Chelseaâ€. The winds of time will bring forth a Gael. (Or something.) Sam Hutchinson – Although Branislav Ivanovic and Jose Bosingwa makes for some daunting competition at right-back, Hutchinson can – like an inverse Ivanovic – also operate at centre-back. The 20 year-old was outstanding in each of his two appearances last season – against QPR in the League Cup and in the 7-0 win over Stoke at Stamford Bridge, the latter in which he superbly laid on a goal for Frank Lampard – and, unless Ancelotti decides it would be best to send him out on loan, Hutchinson could be a useful utility player for the Blues this time around. Nemanja Matic – Get ready for another “new Vieiraâ€! The 21 year-old Serb is likely to play backup to Jon Obi Mikel and Michael Essien but, at 6’4 1â„2 and blessed with a playmaker’s touch, Matic has - as well as a headline writer’s dream of a surname – the raw materials in place to become a big part of Chelsea’s future. Last season, he made appearances in the 4-0 and 8-0 wins over Wolves and Wigan respectively and he has two caps for his country, although he failed to make the cut for Serbia’s World Cup squad this summer. LINK
Spiller86 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I think you're also missing Anelka as a home grown player. His time at the Library means he qualifies I'm pretty sure. So that opens up one more spot. Not so sure about Mikel but he'd be very close to qualifying if he doesn't.
loz Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Anelka won't count as he was only at Arsenal for about 18 months as a youngster.
Spiller86 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Anelka won't count as he was only at Arsenal for about 18 months as a youngster. Yeah you could be right, I just looked it up and he joined Feb 1997 and left summer 1999. So he only had two seasons and a half seasons there (do half seasons count?) To use that terrible example of FM he always counts as home-grown, then again so does Mikel.
loz Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 That is actually longer than I thought he has spent there. I was sure he didn't play two full seasons.
Star Posted July 28, 2010 Author Posted July 28, 2010 (maybe Arnesen will get some praise one of these day I A very good point, I must confess to being a little hasty myself over his contribution in the early days of his appointment. What Roman has done different to the billionaire's coming into football is incredible really. Having possibly learned the hard way, with the way we were forced into paying over the odds for players and their contracts, he has turned the club around in youth development and care for players with Cobham and all it offers, together with the right appointments to bring players through the ranks to reserve and on the verge of first team football. Arnesen has brought his ideas to the table and contacts through years in the game. The Dutch, particularly Ajax like Barcelona have developed youngsters playing the right way for years. Apparently we are in for the Barcelona youth development guy as well, it cannot be emphasized enough the role Guus Hiddink played in discussions with Roman about our future either. Our squad suddenly has a youthful/experienced more balanced look to it than last year, all we need is the purse strings to be loosened with regard to a couple of quality signings to let us take that final step. In two years time we will have 8 home growners at a heartbeat if our youngsters progress in the way recent times suggest. As ever the press ignored our youth cup success last year and the terrific run the year before. They bleat on and on about Arsenal's youngsters but I'd know who's kids I'd rather have. As for Man City, I believe they are making the same mistakes we made in the early days, at least we had Champions League status and back to back title's to put on the table. As I've said they might well win trophies, but will they sustain it? I have serious reservations on this, are the Sheik's as clued up on football and prepared to change suit like Roman? The future looks bright and ROYAL Blue!
Joel Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 The Guardian claims we have 5 that qualify as homegrown: "Chelsea, for example, only have five homegrown players (John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Ross Turnbull and Michael Mancienne). As things stand, the manager, Carlo Ancelotti, will have to name a senior squad of 22 and opportunities will increase for his under-21s."
Barry Bridges Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 The Guardian claims we have 5 that qualify as homegrown: "Chelsea, for example, only have five homegrown players (John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Ross Turnbull and Michael Mancienne). As things stand, the manager, Carlo Ancelotti, will have to name a senior squad of 22 and opportunities will increase for his under-21s." Sturridge?
dkw Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) Sturridge? Whats the cut off date, as Hutchinson is 21 early August I think. Edited July 30, 2010 by dkw
charierre Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Whats the cut off date, as Hutchinson is 21 early August I think. Jan 1st 2010 so he doesnt count
Hutch Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 for anyone who's still unsure of the new rules, here are key points of the new system: - Clubs register a squad of up to 25 players, which must include at least eight 'home-grown' players, at the end of each transfer window. - Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday" - Clubs can supplement squad with unlimited number of players under the age of 21. - Changes can be made only during transfer windows, although in exceptional circumstances (eg goalkeeping injury crisis) moves could be allowed. - Players loaned to Football League clubs cannot be replaced, but can regain their spot on return to parent club. - Rules apply only to Premier League matches, not European, FA Cup or League Cup action. - First deadline is 1700 BST on 1 September (24 hours after end of August transfer window). LINK
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