I take it Jose didn't want Felipe Luis last season as well seeing as he didn't get much game time. Also perhaps Cuadrado was forced upon him too.

Everyone knows its Jose's choice to have a small squad and play the same 11. That's generally a reason why some of our better players that have fallen out of favour with Jose decided to leave. He clearly has his favourites.

The excuse of us needing a bigger squad is a poor one, as it does against the philosophy of the manager. It certainly isn't an excuse for us sitting 4 places above last place!!!

No other previous Champions in history have suffered this bad on the back of a successful season. I mean, its not like we had to change our manager like Utd or sold our best players like Dortmund to run such excuses.

Jose has a preferred 11. Which of those positions needed improvements? Didn't he shape them to his satisfaction since he returned?

shh idiot. 

 

i pulled this info from transfermarkt. Whether the figures are spot on remains open to debate, but its all i can be f**ked to look up. 

 

INS    

Pedro 18.9  

baba 14  

bego 7.7  

falcao 5.81 loan fee

kenedy 5.6  

hector 3.78  

nathan 3.15  

dildobody 2.45  

manea 1.89        

TOTAL INS 63.28        

 

OUTS    

Luis 11.2  

Cech 9.8  

Hazard, T 5.6  

Romeu 4.9  

Kakuta 4.2  

Salah 3.5 loan fee

Cuadrado 1.26 loan fee

McEachran 0.728  

Chalobah 0.175 loan fee

TOTAL OUTS 41.363        

 

Net spend 21.917  

 

tell me who out of the above, incoming, improved the squad? 

 

This supposed £72m you talk about (which according to the above is wrong anyway - i think you are confusing £GBP with €ur), is comprised of several smaller fee players with the only notable stand out being pedro, who has actually been a bit sh*te anyway. 

 

that list adds little or no quality or competition. 

 

that list f**king sucks. 

 

edit: thinking about this in more detail actually, and i am starting to really sympathise with mourinho. it must be really demoralising to have your transfer targets overlooked, and then have some sub-standard crap shoe horned into your squad - who was it that recommended this geezer anyway? was it avram? or was that just baba that he recommended? (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/31/chelsea-bid-baba-rahman-augsburg certainly says that chelsea were first "alerted" to baba by avram)

 

mourinho hadnt even heard of this bloke when we signed him. i have nothing against the lad. i feel a little sorry for him too, but even he must have known that he had absolutely no chance on earth of EVER getting a game for chelsea if he hadnt even spoken to the manager before signing. 

 

cant blame mourinho for marginalising him and i agree that leaving these players out is a form of statement to the board to say "you made a hash of this, get me the players i want". 

 

can only imagine this is why he hasnt been sacked. the board know they made a total arse of the window. it needs rectified in january, and some of the current squad need to be shipped out, badly, be it in january or in the summer. I wont say who i think should be jettisoned, for fear of backlash on here, but if madrid come knocking with that 70 - 80m mark bid for hazard, IMO its cheerio pal, give us the dosh. 

 

same applies to a few others in that first team squad who are letting their team mates, the manager, and most importantly, the fans, down. 

Edited November 18, 201510 yr by CFC_RFC_TID!

You say we failed to secure transfer targets but 72.8million was spent. I ask again what were the targets Jose wanted? Pogba? Stones? Koke? Griezmann? Marquinho? Varane? We don't have to pay record fees for players in order to perform, do we?.

 

Yes, we don't have to pay record fees for players to perform but that doesn't mean we must spend on cheaper signings like Djilobodji who'll most likely not fight for a place in the first team.

 

 

I don't see how spending 72 million doesn't improve the team. Yes, the manager's preferred targets weren't attained doesn't mean players weren't bought. Not choosing to play the players is his preference. Also can you provide the position of each team you listed after 12 rounds of matches during the season they struggled.

 

That is a large sum, but money doesn't guarantee success.

 

Guys like Falcao, Djilibodji and Hector aren't quality signings and Baba hasn't really settled well into the PL yet (things might change in the near future though). Begovic and Pedro seem to be the only two good signings we've made so far. In fact, only Pedro is seen as an improvement to the team.

 

And why must the manager play the players whom he didn't want to sign? Imagine this, your boss bought a new PC for you without seeking your opinion. However, you continue to use your old PC because you didn't want the new one in the first place. There isn't a fixed rule that says you must use it from now on. The same applies to these players (e.g. Hector) whom were bought by the club.

 

 

Same Falcao Jose was singing poems about when we signed him? Remember Jorge Mendes? The super agent Jose and Falcao shares. This signing was down to Jose.

We talk about Pappy and all. Question is has he had for a judgement to be passed on him?

Every man and his dog knows Jose doesn't like a big squad and he himself attested to it. So saying we didn't increase the squad number isn't a point. We know Jose plays his preferred 11 and rotates a few. I still don't understand this not backed financially arguement. 72.8 million pounds was spent, that doesn't count? Or not splurging was why we linger near the bottom of the table?

 

How would you know the signing was down to Jose? Having the same agent doesn't prove anything.

 

We're not dissing Papy, but he's clearly not a player of Chelsea's calibre. A guy who got rejected by Norwich and Sunderland shouldn't be seem as some hidden gem.

 

Once again, we know that Jose plays with a small squad with minimal rotation but that doesn't justify a need to play players without the necessary quality to improve the team.

 

Obviously, this is just one factor that caused our bad run of form.

shh idiot.

Sigh. Surely you don't expect my 'idiotic' person to reply your argument. You know idiots are incapable of thoughts, you shouldn't have taken time to do that research as you already believe my person is stupid.

Edited November 18, 201510 yr by lesblues

Zinc you say money doesn't guarantee success, then why say our failure to make 'expensive' buys the factor for our bad run of form?

We're not dissing Papy, but he's clearly not a player of Chelsea's calibre. A guy who got rejected by Norwich and Sunderland shouldn't be seem as some hidden gem.

 

 

I'm sorry, but your claim is baseless. I can agree it was a bad signing or a pointless signing, but I've watched him play and he was in my opinion one of the best defenders in France and by far the best player on his team (an opinion shared by some French pundits, albeit not by all). 

 

I thoroughly believe he's more than suited to Chelsea and unless he plays we'll never know if you are right or I am. Let's just leave it at that.

Are people still making fun of his name? It seriously isn't that hard to spell or pronounce...

Edited November 18, 201510 yr by Teritus

Zinc you say money doesn't guarantee success, then why say our failure to make 'expensive' buys the factor for our bad run of form?

 

Because I didn't say anything about 'expensive' buys as a contributing factor for our bad run of form.

 

There's a big difference between expensive signings and signings who can add real quality to the side. They don't correlate all the time.

 

 

I'm sorry, but your claim is baseless. I can agree it was a bad signing or a pointless signing, but I've watched him play and he was in my opinion one of the best defenders in France and by far the best player on his team (an opinion shared by some French pundits, albeit not by all). 

 

I thoroughly believe he's more than suited to Chelsea and unless he plays we'll never know if you are right or I am. Let's just leave it at that.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

Because I didn't say anything about 'expensive' buys as a contributing factor for our bad run of form.

There's a big difference between expensive signings and signings who can add real quality to the side. They don't correlate all the time.

Then who were the signings that were supposed to add real quality to the side?. The players believed to be targeted by the manager were sure expensive.

You say we failed to secure transfer targets but 72.8million was spent. I ask again what were the targets Jose wanted? Pogba? Stones? Koke? Griezmann? Marquinho? Varane? We don't have to pay record fees for players in order to perform, do we?.

 

Where was that £72.8m spent? 

 

£8m on Begovic to replace the outgoing Petr Cech who was sold for £11m, arguably this weakened the squad depth. 

 

£18m spent on Baba Rhaman to replace the outgoing Filipe Luis who was sold for £15m, arguably this weakened squad depth for this season at least as Baba is still very raw. 

 

£21m spent on Pedro, bought in to replace the outgoing loan of Cuadrado and Salah to address the lack of depth that was created 18 months prior. Good business (eventually). 

 

£3m on Papy purely because we failed to sign Stones... Something is better than nothing type approach to transfers, no better off. 

 

£4m on Hector, sent straight on loan, no idea if he'll ever play a competitive game for Chelsea. 

 

£6m on Kenedy, one for the future but improves nothing in the squad right now. 

 

So basically, the money wasn't spent on improving the squad for the current season with the exception of Pedro, that's a poor approach to transfers in my opinion. 

 

When you consider that a permanent deal for Salah has now been agreed with Roma and apparently a deal for Cuadrado is also close we probably made a profit on our transfer dealings this summer. 

 

That's not a bad thing but it's not something we HAVE to do considering the new TV deal and shirt sponsorship with Yokohama. 

 

City and United identified their squad weaknesses and aggressively perused their targets and look the better for it. We didn't and look worse off for it. 

I take it Jose didn't want Felipe Luis last season as well seeing as he didn't get much game time. Also perhaps Cuadrado was forced upon him too.

Everyone knows its Jose's choice to have a small squad and play the same 11. That's generally a reason why some of our better players that have fallen out of favour with Jose decided to leave. He clearly has his favourites.

The excuse of us needing a bigger squad is a poor one, as it does against the philosophy of the manager. It certainly isn't an excuse for us sitting 4 places above last place!!!

No other previous Champions in history have suffered this bad on the back of a successful season. I mean, its not like we had to change our manager like Utd or sold our best players like Dortmund to run such excuses.

I believe when JM joined in 2004 he said the squad needs 22 players ie 2 in each position all of good quality. Whilst i agree he uses a core of 8-9 all the time or 11 if he could he appreciates the need to have a squad. I just don't think he can keep the squad members happy.

Where was that £72.8m spent?

£67.2m was spent (I did wrong calculations)

£8m on Begovic to replace the outgoing Petr Cech who was sold for £11m, arguably this weakened the squad depth.

Courtois was first choice, a back-up was bought. We were lucky to have Cech and Courtois last season. Show me a top club who has two first choice keepers competing.

£18m spent on Baba Rhaman to replace the outgoing Filipe Luis who was sold for £15m, arguably this weakened squad depth for this season at least as Baba is still very raw.

Baba yes is raw, but he is young and has potential with which more playing time he would accomplish. I don't see this signing as weakening of squad depth. Both he and luis are/were back-ups.

£3m on Papy purely because we failed to sign Stones... Something is better than nothing type approach to transfers, no better off.

Something is better than nothing? Have you watched him play before you passed this judgment?

£6m on Kenedy, one for the future but improves nothing in the squad right now.

I'm sure one of the objectives was to integrate youth into the senior team. This was expected

So basically, the money wasn't spent on improving the squad for the current season with the exception of Pedro, that's a poor approach to transfers in my opinion.

And you're making this conclusion based on three months of football? Is there a guarantee the likes of Pogba, Stones would have us challenging for the title right now given its the entire squad bar a few who are off form this season?

When you consider that a permanent deal for Salah has now been agreed with Roma and apparently a deal for Cuadrado is also close we probably made a profit on our transfer dealings this summer.

'As now been agreed'. Says it all really, it wasn't agreed then in the summer.

That's not a bad thing but it's not something we HAVE to do considering the new TV deal and shirt sponsorship with Yokohama.

The way the club utilizes its income its best is known by the board. Surely spending it on transfers isn't the only thing on the agenda.

City and United identified their squad weaknesses and aggressively perused their targets and look the better for it. We didn't and look worse off for it.

I didn't see the likes of Arsenal, Spurs making massive improvements to their squads. They are 15pts and 10pts off us presently.

I didn't see the likes of Arsenal, Spurs making massive improvements to their squads. They are 15pts and 10pts off us presently.

Arsenal brought in one of the best keepers in world football....

A position they have been weak in for years now

Edited November 18, 201510 yr by Chelsbear

Arsenal brought in one of the best keepers in world football....

A position they have been weak in for years now

They also needed a quality DM and ST. What I'm saying is you don't always get what you want. You work with what you have, we shouldn't be where we are even if we failed with our transfer objectives.

They also needed a quality DM and ST. What I'm saying is you don't always get what you want. You work with what you have, we shouldn't be where we are even if we failed with our transfer objectives.

Yes but it's not all down to transfers.

It's because of many reasons why we are where we are.

Board problems

Backroom problems

Players form/attitudes

Managerial mistakes

Poor Transfer window.

All of the above mashed into a few months have cause us to free fall. We shouldn't be anywhere near where we are but if you don't invest correctly and back a manager then you simply are not going to do well in the league.

We had a very poor summer transfer window which turned to utter embarrassment in the final days, there is just no escaping that.

Yes but it's not all down to transfers.

It's because of many reasons why we are where we are.

Board problems

Backroom problems

Players form/attitudes

Managerial mistakes

Poor Transfer window.

All of the above mashed into a few months have cause us to free fall. We shouldn't be anywhere near where we are but if you don't invest correctly and back a manager then you simply are not going to do well in the league.

We had a very poor summer transfer window which turned to utter embarrassment in the final days, there is just no escaping that.

I can agree with the problems you highlighted but sorry won't agree if people say its down to the transfer window

Edited November 18, 201510 yr by lesblues

I don't see how spending 72 million doesn't improve the team. Yes, the manager's preferred targets weren't attained doesn't mean players weren't bought. Not choosing to play the players is his preference. Also can you provide the position of each team you listed after 12 rounds of matches during the season they struggled.

Because we let players go who were better and since when does money spent automatically mean you're buying quality? Many of the players we brought in were not good enough.

 

Then who were the signings that were supposed to add real quality to the side?. The players believed to be targeted by the manager were sure expensive.

 

I won't know who exactly but there are definitely better options (that may not cost a bomb) than guys like Djilibodji during the summer. 

 

But that's not the point I was trying to make.

 

 

I can agree with the problems you highlighted but sorry won't agree if people say its down to the transfer window

 

I don't think anyone here was attributing the bad run of form to that only.

Edited November 18, 201510 yr by Zinc

I won't know but there are definitely better options (that may not cost a bomb) than guys like Djilibodji during the summer.

But that's not the point I was trying to make.

I don't think anyone here was attributing the bad run of form to that only.

I can show you posts to the contrary

Because we let players go who were better and since when does money spent automatically mean you're buying quality? Many of the players we brought in were not good enough.

And why were the better players let go? Because they weren't played or didn't fit into the system.

I can show you posts to the contrary

 

Very funny.

 

Trying to nitpick that particular post of mine to make your point.

 

It was a followup to my previous post (which I mention it's just one factor, I didn't say it's the only one) and how was that contradictory anyway?

 

What I was trying to say is that no one on this forum was saying that this bad run of form was down to the transfer window ONLY. 

 

Like what Chelsbear has said, there are many other factors/problems that could have lead to it too. 

Very funny.

Trying to nitpick that particular post of mine to make your point.

It was a followup to my previous post (which I mention it's just one factor, I didn't say it's the only one) and how was that contradictory anyway?

What I was trying to say is that no one on this forum was saying that this bad run of form was down to the transfer window ONLY.

Like what Chelsbear has said, there are many other factors/problems that could have lead to it too.

You couldn't be more wrong. I didn't even recall that about your post. Like I said there are various posts leaning towards that argument.

You couldn't be more wrong. I didn't even recall that about your post. Like I said there are various posts leaning towards that argument.

May I ask which posts?

May I ask which posts?

Mate go through the pages...

I don't get this sympathy with Jose getting screwed over by the board.

This is not football manager and you don't always get what you want. Pogba clearly said he didn't want to leave Everton wanted 50m for Stones. Those are the two targets we know Jose wanted and we didn't get them. How is that the boards fault???

Jose has a team of Champions and greet youth prospects. Why is the only solution to spend spend spend?

As previously mentioned, Arsenal only signed Cech. Yes he is an improvement but Ospina isn't much worse when you look at their relative performances for Arsenal. Spurs signed basically no one, instead they yet again bring more youth through and have only lost one game.

We are not in this position because ed failed to improve the squad. The more obvious problem is our tactics and style of play. Players lacking enthusiasm, no chances being created. Our full backs being played out of position etc.