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Sorry but i couldn't find the original thread.

Sky sport news just said that both Evra and our Groundsmen were appealing against the punishments (whatever they were) given a few weeks ago.

No doubt Evra/manure will get let off.

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I notice Rio was "reminded of his responsibilities" after kicking a female steward in a rage, and Owen Hargreaves escaped punishment for damaging a dressing room door and launching a foul-mouthed tirade at the ref after the match. If JT did that he'd never see the light of day again.

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Is anyone else fed up with the "we're hard done by feeling"? I hate the way our players react to official everytime a throw in goes the wrong way, we're at the top of the league therefore we should be made an example of. I agree that it should be consistent but wouldn't it be nice if the press had to commend us for taking a stand rather than constantly moaning that so and so got away with it last week.

Punish everyone involved and punish them heavily should be the message from the FA headquarters.

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Is anyone else fed up with the "we're hard done by feeling"? I hate the way our players react to official everytime a throw in goes the wrong way, we're at the top of the league therefore we should be made an example of. I agree that it should be consistent but wouldn't it be nice if the press had to commend us for taking a stand rather than constantly moaning that so and so got away with it last week.

Punish everyone involved and punish them heavily should be the message from the FA headquarters.

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all premier league players not just chelsea players but man utd liverpool arsenal etc are role models to millions of kids, having coached youth football for 8 years, what i see on a saturday afternoon by the professionals is played out by the kids on a sunday morning

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Is anyone else fed up with the "we're hard done by feeling"? I hate the way our players react to official everytime a throw in goes the wrong way, we're at the top of the league therefore we should be made an example of. I agree that it should be consistent but wouldn't it be nice if the press had to commend us for taking a stand rather than constantly moaning that so and so got away with it last week.

Punish everyone involved and punish them heavily should be the message from the FA headquarters.

Damn right Barn.

I'm glad someone else here has the balls to stand up and admit we aren't perfect.

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we arent angels and most of the time deserve the stick we get. but its the way the media and authorities go at it with such gusto yet completely ignore when others do similar or worse than us that annoys me. look at the last couple of seasons and the times weve been done for "not controlling our players" yet others have done worse and nothing has happened. versus man utd away we got a fine even thought there players were first to the incident and did as much as us. and did our lads do any worse than hargreaves and ferdinand at the bridge? versus fulham we got a fine and fulham didnt, even though fulham fans swamped the pitch looking for a battle with our lot. its not the fact we get done that bothers me, its the fact others dont. it most certainly isnt a level playing field.

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Is anyone else fed up with the "we're hard done by feeling"? I hate the way our players react to official everytime a throw in goes the wrong way, we're at the top of the league therefore we should be made an example of. I agree that it should be consistent but wouldn't it be nice if the press had to commend us for taking a stand rather than constantly moaning that so and so got away with it last week.

Punish everyone involved and punish them heavily should be the message from the FA headquarters.

You have a point barn, but it was Jose that instilled this siege mentality, and it has stuck. Unfortunately, nowadays if you dont fight for some decisions, then they may never go your way.

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we arent angels and most of the time deserve the stick we get. but its the way the media and authorities go at it with such gusto yet completely ignore when others do similar or worse than us that annoys me. look at the last couple of seasons and the times weve been done for "not controlling our players" yet others have done worse and nothing has happened. versus man utd away we got a fine even thought there players were first to the incident and did as much as us. and did our lads do any worse than hargreaves and ferdinand at the bridge? versus fulham we got a fine and fulham didnt, even though fulham fans swamped the pitch looking for a battle with our lot. its not the fact we get done that bothers me, its the fact others dont. it most certainly isnt a level playing field.

It doesn't matter what other clubs do or don't do though.

Just because C.Ronaldo or whoever dives, doesn't make it okay when Drogba does.

Screw justification, there is no justification based on complaining that others do it more.

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I don't think that's really the point dkw was making though Qaz.

He wasn't saying we should dive if others do, he was saying that it is frustrating when we do get punished, and rightly so, for failing to control players etc, but other clubs don't.

The idea, for example, that we are the only team that swamp the ref is laughable, yet we always get castigated for it and others DO escape.

Of course, you can argue we only have ourselves to blame if we do things like that, and I hope we have learnt our lessons, but we can't expect our players and fans to be whiter than white all the time, so I don't think a little bit more consistency isn't much to ask for.

I do, however, agree that we need to move away from the siege mentality that Jose instilled in the fans, as being excessively paranoid that the whole footballing world is out to get us is a touch farcical.

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nowadays if you dont fight for some decisions, then they may never go your way.

i've never seen a ref change is mind because a player has gone up to him ranting and raving and pointing his finger

although i do see the players point of view, they want consistancy from refs, and if refs become more consitant alot of this barracking by players should stop

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I think you might have a point there. If every action has an equal and opposite reaction, then creation of a seige mentality at Stamford Bridge surely creates a convenient little bandwagon for people to jump on? Which certainly helps give the appearance, if nothing else, that most of the media and the footballing world are rabidly anti-Chelsea. You know how it works.

Going all the way back to the beginning of the Mourinho era. JoseL "I am a special one" was lapped up during the honeymoon period when he was still a novelty to the media. Pretty soon the press get bored and turn this around to become "I am the special one" milking it for everything they can get. Jose adopts his us v the rest of the world stance, and "the special one" tag becomes a target for ridicule. "Not so special now are you .. hur hur hur" every time a result went against us. Throw in the Ashley Cole saga, an undeniable bias in the media towards - those in red, aided and abetted by the peculiarly British resentment towards success - and pretty soon, everywhere you turn there's yet another: "Chelsea are at it again" .."Mourinho is the enemy of football" ... "unbelievable arrogance" ... "they have to be made an example of" type story.

Perception is everything.

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the media never liked us before the jose era, jose just give them more reason to write crap

even now its difficult to read a newspaper report without romans millions been mentioned

it used to rile me, now i just igore it

Siege mentality or not I want Utd punished for this!!! Rio chased the ref most of the day, Hargreaves was just as bad and they were clearly rattled when the final whistle went. Ferdinand was lucky not to be sent off for row with Makalele, he kicked a steward after the game. Hargreaves did criminal damage to the dressing room (if that were you or me kicking a seat or steward on the terrances we'd have been arrested and had criminal charges against us!!!) Then to top it all they picked a fight with the poor bloke who's job it was to prepare the pitch for up and coming game a few days later, by players warming down who never even played or warmed up!!!!

FFS what did any Chelsea player do wrong in this instance, what Manu player's did wrong in this instance, HALF THEIR TEAM!!!. If there is no action taken against Utd and their players then I think we have every right, and evidence that the FA, UEFA with their 'enemy of football' slur are against all us.

I just can't see how Ut'd have got away with this. Imagine standing in a court and saying ' I'm sorry your honour, I did kick that lady with full force across the lower legs while wearing studded boots, but I didn't mean it'' you'd be sentenced straight away!!! Like I say if it were you or me we'd have been charged with criminal damage and assault, accident or not!!!

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Siege mentality or not I want Utd punished for this!!! Rio chased the ref most of the day, Hargreaves was just as bad and they were clearly rattled when the final whistle went. Ferdinand was lucky not to be sent off for row with Makalele, he kicked a steward after the game. Hargreaves did criminal damage to the dressing room (if that were you or me kicking a seat or steward on the terrances we'd have been arrested and had criminal charges against us!!!) Then to top it all they picked a fight with the poor bloke who's job it was to prepare the pitch for up and coming game a few days later, by players warming down who never even played or warmed up!!!!

FFS what did any Chelsea player do wrong in this instance, what Manu player's did wrong in this instance, HALF THEIR TEAM!!!. If there is no action taken against Utd and their players then I think we have every right, and evidence that the FA, UEFA with their 'enemy of football' slur are against all us.

I just can't see how Ut'd have got away with this. Imagine standing in a court and saying ' I'm sorry your honour, I did kick that lady with full force across the lower legs while wearing studded boots, but I didn't mean it'' you'd be sentenced straight away!!! Like I say if it were you or me we'd have been charged with criminal damage and assault, accident or not!!!

i cant see how they should get away with it either, but they will they're man utd

the groundsman will get nailed, and probably lose his job, because chelsea will not stand upto the fa

and as i said in the other thread of similar, chelsea will get done for failing something or other like having there stewards to close to an angry man u player

at the end of the day its all avram's and the players fault for having the audacity to beat utd, and deny the press all the w**k over utd headlines

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Fulham v Arse a couple of years ago. Halsey gave a pen, Arse players went nuts, Halsey changed his decision "because the reaction of the players told me I'd got it wrong".

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn41...13/ai_n12803073

dammit backbiter, i was gonna post exactly that. beat me to it. and qaz, you need to read what i wrote again mate, as tim said im not against us being punished. im against us being punished while others get away with the same or worse.

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dammit backbiter, i was gonna post exactly that. beat me to it. and qaz, you need to read what i wrote again mate, as tim said im not against us being punished. im against us being punished while others get away with the same or worse.

Euro2008 - player rec'd 2nd yellow for Russia I think, after consulting with lino, changed his mind. Not too sure how much the players protest had to do with it though, but 1st time I've seen a sending off recinded during thegame

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Euro2008 - player rec'd 2nd yellow for Russia I think, after consulting with lino, changed his mind. Not too sure how much the players protest had to do with it though, but 1st time I've seen a sending off recinded during thegame

That's a good point. I remember that. It was praised at the time for good reffing - which it was, as the 2nd yellow would have been wrong IMO.

The Scholes decision up at Wigan still riles me. It was definitely a 2nd yellow and could have cost Manure the game and the league, but Bennett didn't book him purely for that reason i.e. to help Manure win the game and the league. Outrageous

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dammit backbiter, i was gonna post exactly that. beat me to it. and qaz, you need to read what i wrote again mate, as tim said im not against us being punished. im against us being punished while others get away with the same or worse.

and i'm trying to say we should spend less time wringing and whining about other teams and just concentrate on our own backyard.

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and i'm trying to say we should spend less time wringing and whining about other teams and just concentrate on our own backyard.

But when a side comes to our 'backyard' and kick our stewards, damage our changing room and have a fist fight with our ground staff.... I think they should be punished for the lot.

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You're dead right Bluenut, and if manu players surround and hassle the ref when they play wigan, or arsenal's players throw a strop at every decision during a game away at Hull, they should have the book thrown at them. In exactly the same way we act like spoilt little sh*te's week in and week out and deserve to be punished for it!

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You're dead right Bluenut, and if manu players surround and hassle the ref when they play wigan, or arsenal's players throw a strop at every decision during a game away at Hull, they should have the book thrown at them. In exactly the same way we act like spoilt little sh*te's week in and week out and deserve to be punished for it!

That's the gripe though. We do wrong and get punished for it. Other teams do wrong and get away with it.

I'm convinced that continually fining us for whatever reason is actually an ingenious solution the FA have come up with to pay off Sven and McClaren!

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