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Apart from the last night's fiasco, saved by late goals vs Roma and MU at home, was completely outmaneuvered by Benitez and was clueless against the likes of Spurs and Cluj.

I by no means expect a flawless performance in every game and don't think we're entitled to three points from every fixture.

But whenever we face a quality opposition they seem to be able to deny our attacking players time and space on the ball and expose us on the counter with ease. The team seems befuddled and out of options when Plan A doesn't seem to work.

I do realize we miss several key players but the under performance of certain individuals whose lack of quality was obvious to everyone ever since last season makes you wonder if his assessment and judgment during the offseason was correct.

It was an open secret that Malouda isn't good enough,Anelka's past it and Kalou's too inconsistent and Drogba was going to miss first few weeks with an injury yet no striker or winger was bought to fix this. Mikel may have benefited from Maka's exit but our defence certainly didn't. The list continues.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to like about Big Phil and the way new Chelsea plays. But there are certainly worrying trends emerge and he needs to deal with it asap.

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Seems you not the only one....................

Copied from Pauly in another thread:

Obama takes victory, Rome conqueres chelsea, is the axis of the world shifting? In politics perhaps more than football.

Don't get me wrong, Roma are not stronger than Chelsea, but does Scolari have the ideas to come up with a Chelsea domination this season or in the future?

It's always been my view that he doesn't have the keys to be a true great, he doesn't have unique ideas or any clear thought process of his own like many of the managers I've admired over the last 15 years; trailblazers, if you will, like Capello, Hiddink, and even the more marginal figures of Jose Mourinho, Rafa Benitez and last night's manager Luciano Spalletti. What is common to all these figures is their ability to measure each situation, game and year as it comes, ignore the status quo no matter how revered and come up with a winning tactic. It's not that there isn't anything new or revolutionary in Scolari's football that bothers me, it's that it's the same thing, week after week, year after year, club after club, and that there is no consideration. In a sentence it is focussed on ball play and attack, lacks teamwork, defensive tactics or unity and it is wholly repetitive and predictable.

What is common to all great managers is their ability and propensity to ignore the status quo and use their brains to make something new. When i look at Rafa Benitez or Jose Mourinho i see a plan, from physio to formation, transfer policy to psychology- When I look at big Phil Scolari i see a lazy f**ker on autopilot who hasn't thought since his moustache took over his mind, and a big fat paycheck. Do some work you c**t.

Those saying last night was an unconscionably bad performance from us are out of their minds- it was fluid, with nice passing, deco could have had 2 and lampard one from the edge of the box within 30 minutes. We created out wide and in attack the ideas worked well with the midfield points being fed by Malouda especially. On the other hand we created nothing for "the" centre forward and were predictable as anything. But the play was good. (Another way of looking at it is that it wasn't great against a side at rock bottom confidence playing a weird formation for the first time...)

That doesn't change the fact that in this world there are people that follow the rules and people that make them. There are Jose Mourinhos and there are Avram Grants, Carlo Ancelottis and Alan Curbishleys, Barack Obamas and John McCains.

and then there are those who couldn't make themselves a ham and cheese sandwhich, like big Phil Scolari.

even when managers like ancelotti or benitez get it wrong they have more going for them than people like scolari- they make their own success and god knows what would happen if someone intelligent was given the resources at the disposal of a chelsea manager. wait... we had that for a while... even if i didn't love what it created there's no doubt it was ultra successful because it was strong. Scolari may have some wins with Chelsea, but really they will be money's and talent's wins not his. In summary, Long live the Rhombus. Down with lazy Scolari.

Pauly

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copied from me in another thread:

Result/performance - bad/average considering they were there for the taking!

United came to play for a draw, they'd just lost to Liverpool and you won't find many times under Fergie's reign that they lose 2 league games on the trot. They got the early goal and were content to confine us.Their central midfielders pressurised Lampard and Mikel and didn't let them settle, their wide midfielders pressed Boswinga and Cole reducing the width causing the midfeld to be very tight, similar to Liverpool and Spurs who did the same, and similar to Roma over both games - 2 of their goals last night came from not letting Mikel settle on the ball!

My gripe is our lack of ability to change to outcome. When we equalised against Utd, from a set piece, we should have gone for their throat, but seemed content on lumping it forward when we ran out of idea's, same against Liverppol, Spurs, and again last night. We had a big chance to put some distance between ourselves and old red nose, but never went for the kill, and didn't relly look likely to score.

I just think we're a bit one dimesional at times and it's easy to defend against if you set your stall out right.

In all of these games against a relatively decent opposition, Liverpool, Utd, Roma over 2 games and even Spurs we've played 5 games scoring 4 goals, 2 of which were set pieces, Kalou v Utd and Terry v Roma at home. So only 2 goals in 5 games from open play against sides who knows how to defend!!

I think it needs a bit of work, and we're crying out for another striker!

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I'm not to concerned to be honest, this wasn't intended as one of those knee-jerk, toys out the pram posts, I'd just like thing's mixed up a bit when we're chasing the game. How about 2 up-front? Every time Drogba's introduced Anelka winds up on the wing, he's even less effective when pushed out there than he is down the middle on his own. There are things we or the manager can do to change games but we seem intent on plugging away with a system that isn't working or is being dealt with by the opposition.

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Im giving him the benefit of doubt at moment. It may take sometime for him to get to know his players and bring the best out of them on the field, it is easier say than done. As an international manager, he only has 5-6 games a year, now he has 50-60 games to control, its not going to be easy for him. Looking at Jose's time at Inter so far, it hasn't been great either, and we all know how good a tactician he is. Fat Spaniard was shocking in his first season , only some devine intervention saved his @ss in the Champions League. Maybe we should cut Scolari some slack for now.

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What worries me is he (BP) spouts on about playing a short passing game with plenty of movement the "Brazilian" way, but as soon as we go a goal down we turn into Wimbledon and the size 12 takes over, so who's the boss deciding how we play BP or the owner of the size 12?

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What worries me is he (BP) spouts on about playing a short passing game with plenty of movement the "Brazilian" way, but as soon as we go a goal down we turn into Wimbledon and the size 12 takes over, so who's the boss deciding how we play BP or the owner of the size 12?

considering after the liverpool game he came out and said he wasnt happy about the way chelsea wereverted back to long ball and would be having a word about it, i dont think we will see much more of it. in fact, even when we went down against roma we didnt really go back to just humping it upfield.

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considering after the liverpool game he came out and said he wasnt happy about the way chelsea wereverted back to long ball and would be having a word about it, i dont think we will see much more of it. in fact, even when we went down against roma we didnt really go back to just humping it upfield.

Perhaps your TV is smaller than mine and you can't see the whole flight of the ball ::ChELSeAFaN::

My point was we never dared to deviate from the game plan under JM, but this doesn't seem to be the case under BP. Not sure what the policy was under AG.

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Seems you not the only one....................

Copied from Pauly in another thread:

Ah the great Spalletti. I enjoyed the way he masterminded the 7 - 1 defeat against Man U and about 8 defeats in 10 games this year. It takes guts, determination and know-how.

I don’t remember Pauly giving any kind of praise to Mourinho when he was at Chelsea. I seem to remember words to this effect, “a decent motivator but clueless tacticianâ€, "doesn’t know attack from his arseâ€

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Bullsh*t. Chelsea's wingers just plainly suck, so if the opposition can do a good job containing the overlapping fullbacks (which didn't even exist before Scolari came), it's gonna be hard to grab a game unless Lampard and Deco provide something brilliant. Taking into consideration that at least half the first 11 has always been out injured, that there isn't a single ingenious player to try a dribble inside from the wings and open up games, and that Drogba has never been fully fit and it has been impossible to play the "old Chelsea way", I don't really think there should be any complaints about how Scolari is managing things. I've been seeing people calling for his head already, even though this team is right now widely regarded as the best in Europe alongside Pep's Barcelona. This is nuts!!!

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Firstly I'd like to see "suck" and "rock" as descriptive terms (as in you rock, Chelsea suck) banned from this forum.

Secondly, what exactly is this "old Chelsea way"? Ruud Gullit's brand of attack to Jose's brand of nick a goal and shut up shop, to Scolari's sh*t or bust?

Thirdly, why shouldn't there be any complaints about Scolari's tactics? Or do you think he was right in Rome to bring on a nowhere-near-fit Drogba at half time? Just for instance. I don't hear too many people calling for his head just yet - plenty of people had their doubts before he'd actually started the job, but what's wrong with that? He's been around a long time, long enough for people to have formed some kind of opinion of his ability and suitability for the job.

And finally (for now) if we were that good, we wouldn't have been so patently out played by an out of form Roma for two-thirds of the game. Neither would we have had so many problems dealing with Blackburn's second half tactical changes, or breaking down what was then a pathetic T*tt*nh*m defence, and we wouldn't have lost at home to the luckiest team in Europe.

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My take, Scolari's tactics are predictable, but pretty good.

We have scored far more goals against teams that are on average better than the teams we faced when Mourinho was in charge. Most of the time the football is better to watch.

However we clearly and obviously lack teeth against better sides. The Liverpool game proved that to my satisfaction.

At least part of the reason is that our front three don't quite have it, another part of the problem is not being able to put the starting 11 on the pitch. Given Ballack as well as Deco and Lampard we'd have gone closer.

Add in Robhino and we would have been better.

As it is we are number 1 and if we get draws against Manu, Arse and Puddle and win the premier I won't care.

both Manu and Arse are vulnerable this season, not even sure why Manu are, but they are, supposse part of its Phil Neville and part of its the hot and cold side of berbatov. If we can keep the team together, get Ballack back and get another fit forward I will care less about Big Phil's lack of adaptation during the game and or his crap substitutes and or his favouring spanish speaking players.

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