Kalou and Malouda out?

[wilko77]

Is everyone on the same boat wanting these two useless footballers out? If you sell these two and get very little money for them who do u buy in to replace them? I am no big fan of either but at the end of the day roman is not willing to spend money in january so what can we do? the only option is play 4-4-2 and play joe cole on the right if he is fit but who do you play on the left, molouda?

[PloKoon13]

The title of this got me hopeful.

You could play Joe Cole on the left and Belletti on the right, but both are injured atm.

[wilko77]

The title of this got me hopeful.

You could play Joe Cole on the left and Belletti on the right, but both are injured atm.

yea its true they r both sh*t so get them out and it will be all good again. were is the young lad dos santo?

Yea thats a possibility worth trying it. or boswingwa? and play ferreira right back?

[Kerry]

yea its true they r both sh*t so get them out and it will be all good again. were is the young lad dos santo?

You mean the former Barca guy but now at the Spurs?

Though Kalou and Malouda have had some great runs in the past I think one good performance in 10 games approximately is just not enough for earning a place in the squad.

Personally I'd even like to add Anelka on this list, but then we'd be even without a man for our confidence 5-0 shows

[forbzy]

If we were able to sell both then I'd rather use the money to bring in another striker. The way we play with wing backs we will never have a shortage of crosses coming in. Another striker and preferably one who is good in the air. Then continue to use Joe Cole and give Sinclair/Stoch more opportunities.

[forbzy]

yea its true they r both sh*t so get them out and it will be all good again. were is the young lad dos santo?

Yea thats a possibility worth trying it. or boswingwa? and play ferreira right back?

Boswingwa on the wing might be a good option as his defending is not his strongest skill. If we do that then I'd rather see Mancienne recalled from loan and given a chance at right back though. If that cannot happen straight away I'm good with trying your idea with Paulo at RB.

[Chippy]

I'd like to see us try a 4-4-2 with Drogba and Anelka up front, Boswinga ahead of Ferreira or Ivanovic on the right and Joey on the left ahead of Ash.

I remember Joe playing quite well for england ahead of Ash and it leaves us an option of bringing Malouda on for one of the mids say Ballack and putting him out right while Joe takes Ballacks place inside.

It is difficult when you have Lampard, Mikel, Ballack and Deco and only two places for them....not easy for the manager.

what I would say is maybe dont play Deco if Mikel is not holding for fear of being over run.

Edited December 1, 2008 by Chippy

[forbzy]

I'd like to see us try a 4-4-2 with Drogba and Anelka up front, Boswinga ahead of Ferreira or Ivanovic on the right and Joey on the left ahead of Ash.

I remember Joe playing quite well for england ahead of Ash and it leaves us an option of bringing Malouda on for one of the mids say Ballack and putting him out right while Joe takes Ballacks place inside.

It is difficult when you have Lampard, Mikel, Ballack and Deco and only two places for them....not easy for the manager.

what I would say is maybe dont play Deco if Mikel is not holding for fear of being over run.

I like that lineup on occasions when we are playing weaker teams or are in need of goals against the big rivals. My only fear is that it places a huge responsibility on Mikel's shoulder as the defensive side of a 2 man central midfield. Even Maka had 2 center midfielders in front of him.

[ducavis]

the way forward is a fluid 4-4-2 which can be changed to a 4-1-4-1. Can i add Ballack, Belletti and Drogba to your list.

I would personally escort them to there chosen destination free. I hate Drogba and dont want him near the team again; fine he had one good season but he his a prima dona; a w***** and would make our play one dimensional

[Chippy]

I like that lineup on occasions when we are playing weaker teams or are in need of goals against the big rivals. My only fear is that it places a huge responsibility on Mikel's shoulder as the defensive side of a 2 man central midfield. Even Maka had 2 center midfielders in front of him.

True that wouldn't be my thinking away at OT unless we were in desperate need of a late eqaliser

maybe in a 4-1-4-1ish shape

------------cech----------

Ivan-Ricky----Alex--Ash

------------Obi------------

---Ballack-----Lamps--

Bos--------------------Joe

--------Nic----------------

if need be then replace Ballack with Obi and put Drogba up front with Nic or move Joe over to Ballacks spot, Malouda on for Ballack where Joe was and Drogs on for Nic.

the more you think about it the more you have to sympathise with Scolari and the players available.

[Modueke]

------------cech----------

Ivan-Ricky----Alex--Ash

------------Obi------------

---Ballack-----Lamps--

Bos--------------------Joe

--------Nic----------------

Now that looks a great team!

Though, I'd still put Paulo instead of Ivanovic.

Where is John, playing Rugby?

[Ruh Buh Juh]

Get rid of Malouda, not Kalou. Kalou was half decent yesterday and is still learning where as Malouda is 28/29 (?), an age where most players would be hitting their peak like Drogba did 2 years ago at 28.

Would definitely go for a 4-4-2, or the similar 4-2-2-2, with Anelka and Drogba as the 2. Am liking the idea of putting Ivanovic at RB when Alex/Carvalho return and moving him up to midfield on the right. Then Joe Cole out on the left. Now I'm sure everyone on here will agree, the 2 in the middle should be Mikel and Lampard. Mikel and Lampard are probably our players of the season so far and Ballack and Deco are players that will have injuries on and off all season being over 30.

............................Cech

...Ivanovic...Carvalho/Alex...JT...A.Cole

.............Lampard...........Mikel

...Bossie....................................J.Cole

.............Drogba............Anelka

?

Edited December 1, 2008 by Ruh Buh Juh

[Kerry]

Boswingwa on the wing might be a good option as his defending is not his strongest skill. If we do that then I'd rather see Mancienne recalled from loan and given a chance at right back though. If that cannot happen straight away I'm good with trying your idea with Paulo at RB.

Interesting option you've mentioned, with Bosingwa as a winger as he does produce some decent crosses from time to time but lacks defensive greatness.

As Ivanovic is better as a full back than as a right back I do believe either that Paulo would be the better option. But Ivanovic has said once he could also play right back as back then when we had Essien at that position it seemed to be the only one where he could make a first team apperance, so I thought it was somewhat like despair. I just have my doubts he could play right back as effectively as wished as the right flank is important to us because we used to be very weak at that side.

[wilko77]

Interesting option you've mentioned, with Bosingwa as a winger as he does produce some decent crosses from time to time but lacks defensive greatness.

As Ivanovic is better as a full back than as a right back I do believe either that Paulo would be the better option. But Ivanovic has said once he could also play right back as back then when we had Essien at that position it seemed to be the only one where he could make a first team apperance, so I thought it was somewhat like despair. I just have my doubts he could play right back as effectively as wished as the right flank is important to us because we used to be very weak at that side.

Yea ivanovic is a better rfull back than right back but if you play ferrira you have a better chance of defending well because bossie will still have the mentality to come back and help. 4-4-2 is the better option but we need to think about essien when he comes back next month, do you drop mikel? i wouldn't but yet i wld like essien to play. and i think we need to look at playing wayne instesd of ash at left back becuase he is a solid defender and never lets us down. still like cole but think bridge is the better option.

[Ruh Buh Juh]

Yea ivanovic is a better rfull back than right back but if you play ferrira you have a better chance of defending well because bossie will still have the mentality to come back and help. 4-4-2 is the better option but we need to think about essien when he comes back next month, do you drop mikel? i wouldn't but yet i wld like essien to play. and i think we need to look at playing wayne instesd of ash at left back becuase he is a solid defender and never lets us down. still like cole but think bridge is the better option.

I really have to say I don't agree with that. Ashley has improved and improved in his time with us and Bridge seems to have weakened. Like someone has said on another thread I think, Ash and Bosingwa are probably the best LB and RB in the world and with them we don't need the wingers, bar Joey Cole.

[Mr Chelsea]

malouda can go, and i dont care where

as for kalou i think he is still full of potential, and just needs some proper encouragement from within the club he has bags of talent and quick feet, but doesnt know how to use it properly, maybe thats because of lack of regular playing time

if he had gone arsenal i'm sure he would have been a star for them but we dont seem to develop the young talent in the right way

[wilko77]

I really have to say I don't agree with that. Ashley has improved and improved in his time with us and Bridge seems to have weakened. Like someone has said on another thread I think, Ash and Bosingwa are probably the best LB and RB in the world and with them we don't need the wingers, bar Joey Cole.

im not saying they are not but at the min we are leaking goals to the big teams, what i am saying is bosingwa and cole are not just at good at the defending side of things as other players. against the weaker teams they are very very effective though.

[wilko77]

malouda can go, and i dont care where

as for kalou i think he is still full of potential, and just needs some proper encouragement from within the club he has bags of talent and quick feet, but doesnt know how to use it properly, maybe thats because of lack of regular playing time

if he had gone arsenal i'm sure he would have been a star for them but we dont seem to develop the young talent in the right way

I sopose if he was getting the right training it would help but he just puts his head down and runs and then loses it. we can't afford a player like that if we are going to seriously challange for the title.

[Mr Chelsea]

I sopose if he was getting the right training it would help but he just puts his head down and runs and then loses it. we can't afford a player like that if we are going to seriously challange for the title.

but nobody seems to tell him where he's going wrong, thats why he keeps making the same mistakes, the experience of anelka lampard drogba ballack around him should put a hand on his shoulder after he's made a mistake and tell him to keep it up it will come during the game not on the training ground the day after

[Ruh Buh Juh]

im not saying they are not but at the min we are leaking goals to the big teams, what i am saying is bosingwa and cole are not just at good at the defending side of things as other players. against the weaker teams they are very very effective though.

Fair point, but what would you rather? Score or concede?

I personally would rather score cause if we score 2, 3, 4 goals then 1 goal conceded won't make a difference. However, say we score 1 and concede 1 or 2, then we have a problem. It's a bit of a conundrum.

[wilko77]

but nobody seems to tell him where he's going wrong, thats why he keeps making the same mistakes, the experience of anelka lampard drogba ballack around him should put a hand on his shoulder after he's made a mistake and tell him to keep it up it will come during the game not on the training ground the day after

Fair point the bigger players really do need to help out i agree with that

[Chippy]

Now that looks a great team!

Though, I'd still put Paulo instead of Ivanovic.

Where is John, playing Rugby?

Johns Managing like he did when Grant was there apparently ;)

No he's having a rest to get the Injuries that have surely taken their toll out of his system.

Strange one as well I would give Ballack the Armband when JT is out as I think he rises to the occasion.

[Virosh]

I don't think Kalou needs just some guidance to become the next great thing in football. I have always liked him for his personality and the last thing you could say for him is he isn't giving his best in games. I feel he just isn't good enough for us. His greatest shortcomings are bad decision making,weak shot and poor awareness at times - none of these things you learn - you are either born with or not (even the shot power to an extent).

As for Bridge being the more sound defensive option of the two left backs, this is absurd. Bridge has never been known to be an outstanding defender and he has time and again proven he can be a big liability at the back. A. Cole is the man who puts Cristiana Ronaldo in his pocket every time. Enough said.

[Kerry]

Malouda could even go to the Scouse where he wished to be after Mourinho's departure and even he'd go there I'd not mind.

If Bosingwa upfront could provide more effective runs as he had when confused with defending than indeed he'd be a better option than Kalou, I agree

[icecoolguy22]

Enough said about Malouda, I agree sending him out on the next ship leaving London. Kalou,got potential but just not improving, infact I　ｔｈｉｎｋ　ｈｅ　got worse this season, he used to run around defenders for fun in the last 2 seasons. This is his third(?) season here, when we are going to say enough is enough? He has been given plenty of starts, should have learnt how to shoot and cross by now. Maybe he is another SWP, big fish in small pot. We had players go after 1-2 years not proving their worth - Kazman, Parker, Johnson, Del Horno, Tiago.. I say give Sinclair , Sahar etc a go, if they arent much worse off than Kalou now, maybe we should ship Kalou out at the end of the season. Some just not cut out to be a Chelsea player, Kalou looks like one of them.