Van Butsen

Less people go?

Apparently he told all his Serbian team mates to pull their fingers out and now gets left out of the squad because of bad blood.

Does Matic not get a call up to the national team these days? Was at Chelsea training today

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The more things change the more they stay the same mate. That's all i'll say

i think it's mainly because your sentences are really long that I can't understand. Anyway, seems like you're a man of constant action and change. I'm man for stability and growth.

Not really sure where I have hit a string with you on this one. I'm struggling to understand what your point is but personally? I think you look at on a far to granular level anyway. Players going to another team or a new coach signalling an entirely new team? Not the way I see it. I haven't put any words in your mouth at all, your free to say what ever. Everyone is replaceable. My point is that won't necessarily bring success.

I'm not at all confused, I don't mean that literally the starting 11 was the same two years ago as it was in 2004 obviously. My point was that we are finally at the back end of that team. The ones that generally played and started, not really interested with the 60 additional. And although last season was poor, we haven't been relegated. In the last 4 or so years we've lost more players that are irreplaceable than most clubs ever will in a 20+ year period. Considering we have some talented players and an ambitious coach, I'd say we've done very well to not let that level of personnel departure affect us as much as it could have. But you're now saying that everyone we've brought in now needs an audit? I'm all for the continuing analysis of the squad but you're asking for a rebuild of the players we've brought in to replace people that can't be replaced. With that logic, we will constantly be replacing players that aren't immediately title winners and legends. I personally think it is a wacky sentiment, what club replaces 5-6 starting players in an offseason and has instant success?

The successful team that I'm referring to is the one that just delivered 4 titles in just over a decade? There were never rebuilds in that time, just progressive team changes for one reason or another. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what a rebuild is, but your also only wanting to keep two players but then saying we need to sign players in three positions? I'm a little confused. You're also using the logic of a bad season to point to the players being a problem. I could just an easily point to the title winning season and the players being capable of success. What would we do if we made all those changes you suggest and we still finished 10th -5th, then what would our next step be? Would you just do it all again? It's not a given that a clear out will solve anything. Give the team time and strengthen it each year.

I really don't agree with the "squad needs a rebuild" talk. This is the rebuild. This is life after having the most successful team of the clubs era. This is how it works, it's hard. It's impossible to replace the legends that have moved on, but we're doing a pretty decent job of it if you ask me. Squeezed out another title with the last of them and we have some serious talent in the squad now with a new ambitious coach. This is the rebuild. If everyone will only be satisfied with back to back league wins, then we will be rebuilding every year for a long time. The league is too competitive for that thing to happen (at least instantly). The players have quality, the coach has ambition, everyone needs to get firing in the right direction and minimum top 4 is absolutely achievable.

He won't play a minute this season, especially when Gray comes back. Dyche just not the type to have a go

Only saw the last 10-15 minutes of the game on a stream, not going to vote, glad we got the W

Anyone noticed he's been rotating his starting XI a little more than he did with us in his second stint? May have been because he didn't trust the players on the bench (which I think is a laughable thing), but he has Fellaini in some games, Mata in others, even Lingard. He even dropped Rooney to try and find a better balance, he never considered dropping Ivanovic when he was in poor form.

Did you even watch the game against Hull?

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Plenty of complication vids out there would prove otherwise, or just watching a game or two.

You're not really saying anything different here? I agree he goes back to Ivanovic a lot. Hazard is forced to go back to Dave many times a game as well. There are so many times where Willian has done a lot of great work with very little outlet to then pass to as we don't have anyone other than Costa in front of him. Is it outside of their box or outside of their half where he does uses his pace, agility? You're a little unclear

Yeah he needs to shoot a little more but I do think he has picked that up in the last 2 seasons.

Yeah it's fair to say I don't read into the stats all that much to be honest, I don't think they are that damning. My argument is nothing to do with the stats. All the huffing and puffing people talk about leads to him beating his man and getting into great positions to either play a pass or a cross and occasionally to shoot. It would be nicer if he added more goals, but he creates enough space in the game for others to take advantage of which they don't. Maybe his still doesn't mesh with every single other play in the team, which is fine, but it's not because he lacks quality in my view. I don't think that last point is the case, but just putting it out there. His/Fabregas corners are rubbish, we hit the first man more than any other club, I don't think that's where he is strong. Ivanovic should have some nice numbers, he is also one of the only players that puts the ball in dangerous positions. Edit: Stats never tell the whole story. I'm not shooting them down in this instance because it suits my argument, I firmly believe that and post much about it when I can.

After costa, which one of our players could he perhaps tee up for a goal? There's no one ever making a run, hazard is on the other wing. I maintain it's not a Wilian problem.

And who's fault is that? Certainly not his. He's made the space, he's beaten his defender, yet he has to go back to Ivanovic? Only 1 striker to aim fore? No midfielders making a run because we play 2-3 DM's? I don't think that is a Willian problem if I'm honest.

No I was suggesting the team's success two campaigns ago had glossed over his mistakes . I've never thought he was in our best two central defenders.

I couldn't agree more with that line, not so much the late winners one though, but there has been a lot of "I fight with my team and I die with my team". Well there's been a few really painful deaths, so if he really believes in that he'll show some fight now and show some balls.

Did he not win the Europa league with us? My mistake, it wasn't a major point in my argument anyway. His balls are great and he gets in excellent position on the byline, not much he can do with one striker to aim for sometimes.

Very harsh to compare Willian to a team that arguable had 6 legends of the club playing for them at one time. And yet he's still done well to win a european trophy and a title for the club. I think if he had that caliber around him his contribution would be more noticed though. A lot of running, creating, huffing puffing for sure. It's a shame players rarely get on the end of his balls or his dribbles. He is huffing and puffing with no support. I don't know what Matic's role is in the team at the moment? What is it? I don't mind unglamorous roles, I just don't see what his is at all. And if you're describing Willian as huff and puff, does Kante differ much from that? In the last two games he's barely laid a tackle and just done a lot of running around for mine, with absolutely zero impact when on the ball to go with that.