Van Butsen

There's no point explaining it to you Bobby, I'm positively unsure as to whether you even remember the stuff you post on here now. The below sums you up as a poster in general.

Likewise, looking to see the rest of the squad have a crack and show what they can do.

It's strange that a player can't individually be judged for his performances separately to the team. Anyway, no getting through to you two. I'm just glad all the past-it players and loaned for a reason players are shoving it right up you this season. Not that you didn't will them to fail.

He is though, he is beaten at every turn of pace, he is sluggish to get back (when compared with out other wingback) and he hasn't done anything to counter these faults to prove that he is playing well or ca be dependable. The times he has popped up in attack, he's been wasteful and slow and hasn't made or finished opportunities well enough. You can sit there all you like Bobby with your stance, but all you do is say this is right, this is wrong, with nothing to back it up. Have you heard any of the commentary on him? To paraphrase G.Neville "he has totally abandoned his defensive duty in this second half". I'm fairly sure that as the first game he saw him play and might have only seen him once more. If he watches a few more, I'm sure we will hear more of this unless he starts playing better. It's not something I've pulled out of thin air. He has been our weakest link easily. Call it what you will.

Paulo Ferreira was unbelievably dependable. Alonso has a long way to go to be considered dependable. Funny how people are pointing out Alonso being in the team when we've only conceded two goals in 11 games. You can still play poorly and be on a winning side, they aren't mutually exclusive.. and in his role, he's being asked to defend less anyway. I'd give all that credit to Dave (huge fan), Cahill (I constantly and still do think he's not up to it but has really proved me wrong of late) and Luiz (who I constantly said was unreliable and prone to errors but who has made far less errors than he has outstanding games since returning). I'm not willing him to fail, as some people think when their opinion is not shared. He is just constantly our opponents best outlet for attack. Really really hope he improves.

Has been woeful defensively. How can you say he's been solid? Get's a lot of stick because he's terrible. Victor Moses played for Wigan and Crystal Palace. Dave played for Marseille. It matters not where you once played. If you'r are not always looking to improve then you are doing something wrong. We need to be improving the player in that role.

My point was that it wouldn't have been the difference in trophy numbers. He's definitely better than Oscar

Oscar is a Chelsea legend. So is Demba Ba for that matter.

You're searching for some sort of team from utopia.. where every player is the best in their position in that league. It's got to be about the squad as a whole. Keeping Oscar hasn't prevented us from winning additional trophies. KDB would not have been the difference.

Whether you rate Oscar or not, he played some good games and scored some important goals and was an important cog in the squad as a whole for 3 separate trophies over 4 years. If you don't rate him, he's done well. If you do rate him, he's probably not lived up to the hype.. but many don't, and we've still achieved success.

Didn't watch and as I take the SH MOTM votes extremely seriously, I won't vote so as not to wrongly influence the result. Highlights looked good though.. what a save from Tibo

Personally I am dying to see Bats have a full game though. I honestly think he is going to be phenomenal

i think first port of call should be to establish which two players are going to shut down Borini

Worst case scenario is defeat. Mindblowing

Just realised Borini is out.. we might actually snatch a point.

He'll likely boss this game

Edit: Sorry read your post wrong. Likewise

New contracts don't tie anyone down to anything

Would really love to sit on one of the ref/FA/media meetings they have where they conspire against us a club. Can't believe no one involved has blown the whistle on such matchfixing. Such a tight-knit group. I admire their criminality.

Yes should be public. I swear some people have a love affair with players or vice versa, constantly under vote players. It only works if everyone is capable of being the best and the worst, regardless of your favorites. I voted Costa. The guy is a beast, I seriously didn't think he had this in him. He also religiously fights with Caludio Yacob, yet they were all mates yesterday.

Big news if he's been recalled. I am a massive, massive fan of him.

But that's just that. Even if he is a work in progress, he is well below the prerequisites needed to qualify as a work in progress. He is not doing a pretty good job.

Hang on, your back on my points now? I don't need to ask Liverpool fans anything, they are the most deluded people in the world. I think everyone watched them a lot that year, I can remember just fine without having to ask anyone. I'm comfortable with how good I think Moses is/was. I can't see how you think he is bang average?

This has being overly critical and selective written all over it. I actually attend quite a few hammers games so I'm not sure how you think he was better at West Ham than at Liverpool? Had two really good games early for WH (against Newcastle at home, forget the other one) then found himself on the bench for most of the season after that. Liverpool in the second half of the season he was (from memory) first sub or started during their charge and more than held his own (which is why i said 'pretty good'). He could have been better, but certainly not an "average winger". I also remember him being pretty good to great for us in 2013, though can't remember specifics.. he did score 3 goals in the knockout stages of Europa league. How can you say he is a bang average winger?