England Captain

[BLUENUT]

It seems to be the only topic in the papers and radio phone-ins at the moment.

After Terrys alledged problems with his personal life should he be stripped of the England captancy? and if so who should it be given to?

1. I don't see how he can possibley keep it to be honest.

2. Frank Lampard for his long term decent reputation within the game

[Tim]

If, and only if, he's lost the support of his team mates, then I agree he has to step down.

Who gets chosen depends on the criterea really.

If we're bowing to the hysteria and appointing a captain who's the best 'role model'...then I guess Frank, as pretty much every other candidiate has 'shamed' themselves at some point in the last year or two.

He is, however, not a great captain in my opinion, and this idea that the captain should ba a paragon of virtue is at best miguided and at worst just plain stupid.

So if JT goes, I honestly think 'Wazza' is the only real choice. He is a risk due to his age and temper, but he might just grow into the role, and he is the only other player who commands the same sort of respect that John does/did.

I just want us to go into the World Cup united and in form, and this press-driven distraction is f*cking me right off to be honest.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Tim

[ethicalstrategy]

I really can't get my head around why JT having an affair should cause the loss of his team mates support.

This Bridge nonsense is really starting to piss me off. It has f**k all to do with Bridge.

Fortunately, the decision is down to Capello and you can be damn sure that he will do what he thinks is best for the team and won't be influenced by any outside pressures.

If he had wanted someone who was "whiter than white" and a perfect role model then he wouldn't have picked JT in the first place. The fact that JT has had an affair is hardly going to make Capello turn round and see him in a completely different light all of a sudden. It is not like he didn't have a track record of infidelity and indiscretions. He didn't even choose him just because he was the man in possession. He made a big deal of auditioning all the candidates. He chose him for footballing reasons and nothing I have seen has changed that one bit.

I fully expect him to retain the captaincy.

[KT87]

John Terry of course. I don't know why Fabio would even consider changing it by what has happened. It doesn't make JT any less of a captain for the team.

[Nibs]

I fully expect him to retain the captaincy.

I hope you're right.

I think he should once the dust has settled. What worries me is all this "there's more to come" hints from the press.

Wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now, but as already said, he's only got himself to blame.

[ethicalstrategy]

I agree that he has only himself to blame. He has acted like a prat on more than one occasion and he ought to be able to keep his dick in his pants.

If there is more to come it depends on what it is.

If he does lose the captaincy then it will have been his own fault.

[yorkleyblue]

It seems to be the only topic in the papers and radio phone-ins at the moment.

After Terrys alledged problems with his personal life should he be stripped of the England captancy? and if so who should it be given to?

1. I don't see how he can possibley keep it to be honest.

2. Frank Lampard for his long term decent reputation within the game

Bluenut, why you doing this mate? I like the fact that even you say "alleged problems".

Terry's only "crime" is to deceive his wife with another, single woman, presumably with her consent. The fact that she used to go out with his mate is neither here nor there.

The only person who has any right to get pissed off about this is his wife, it is feck all to do with his job, the press, you, me, everybody else.

If his wife kicks his ass out and takes the house and half his money, then that is no more than he deserves, if the allegations are true.

However, how would you feel if your employer sacked you because you were unfaithful to your wife? I know I would be well and truly pissed off it they tried it on me.

Take the piss by all means about him being a not-very-bright serial shagger, if you want, but please don't get all Witch-finder general about it. It's none of your business, nor mine.

kev

Edited February 1, 2010 by yorkleyblue

[blizeH]

To the people saying it shouldn't effect his captaincy at all, you're wrong.

JT cheating yeah fair enough, it's super harsh on his wife and kids, but shouldn't effect his football life at all.

JT cheating with his team mates girlfriend? Completely different

[Mod]

Team mates EX remember blize!

[geezer]

To the people saying it shouldn't effect his captaincy at all, you're wrong.

JT cheating yeah fair enough, it's super harsh on his wife and kids, but shouldn't effect his football life at all.

JT cheating with his team mates girlfriend? Completely different

Why? What's the difference? That's like saying it's okay to murder someone you don't know but not okay to murder someone you do. The 'crime' is still the same no matter who is involved.

[yorkleyblue]

FFS!

EX-team-mate's EX girlriend, who dumped him because he CHEATED on HER!

get it f**king right!

[ethicalstrategy]

To the people saying it shouldn't effect his captaincy at all, you're wrong.

JT cheating yeah fair enough, it's super harsh on his wife and kids, but shouldn't effect his football life at all.

JT cheating with his team mates girlfriend? Completely different

And which of the above two scenarios applies in this case?

Care to have a guess?

[ethicalstrategy]

Why? What's the difference? That's like saying it's okay to murder someone you don't know but not okay to murder someone you do. The 'crime' is still the same no matter who is involved.

Doesn't make the crime any different but does make the consequences different.

If Bridge had still been married to her and still at Chelsea then it would have caused all sorts of ructions internally I would have thought.

But, just in case BlizeH or Bluenut is reading this, he wasn't.

[blizeH]

I didn't realise Bridge had already split up with her, from what I gathered they split because she was having an affair with JT? But if not, fair play! And fair play to JT.

[yorkleyblue]

and just a minor thing to consider - Bridgey wasn't married to her.

JT IS married

[ethicalstrategy]

I didn't realise Bridge had already split up with her, from what I gathered they split because she was having an affair with JT? But if not, fair play! And fair play to JT.

That's what is really bothering me about this whole thing.

It isn't immediately obvious and you could easily be forgiven for not realising based on what some of the press are reporting.

Bridge left Chelsea last January. His girlfriend/partner did not go to Manchester with him. In the summer they split up. It is alleged that JT was popping around to comfort her from around September time last year. Should JT be proud? Not really. Is it any business of Bridge"s? I would think not.

[Tim W]

Listening to the media the morning it appears being captain of the English football team has suddenly become more important than being Prime Minister.

It's now clear the "News Group Newspapers" are the self-appointed "hypocrisy hunters" to the Nation. The same group that allegedly paid out huge amounts to settle legal cases that threatened to reveal News Group journalists' use on repeated occasions of illegal methods in the pursuit of stories.

[BLUENUT]

That's what is really bothering me about this whole thing.

It isn't immediately obvious and you could easily be forgiven for not realising based on what some of the press are reporting.

Bridge left Chelsea last January. His girlfriend/partner did not go to Manchester with him. In the summer they split up. It is alleged that JT was popping around to comfort her from around September time last year. Should JT be proud? Not really. Is it any business of Bridge"s? I would think not.

Save all this for the other thread - if you were Capello would you take the armband away from JT, drop him? drop Bridge? do you think there will be fractions within a World cup training camp if Bridge and JT are both selected?

[Tim]

Depends on how much you allow the gutter press and their influence on the idiotic majority, to dictate the decisions you make about your team.

I would dearly hope that the answer is 'not at all' but who knows...

[heckel]

It is a purely practical question. It doesn't matter if we football supporters think that shagging your friend’s mate and cheating on your wife is good, bad, or irrelevant. The way the media works means that it will continue to be raised as something that is relevant, and no amount of calling the media scum etc is going to change the situation. What is critical here, is what Terry and Capello do next.

If Terry is able to get in touch with Bridge, get him onside, and then come out with some kind of apology or whatever that turns the media tide, and makes him look like a fighter who won't go down and therefore a good man to lead England then he should stay.

What Capello needs to do, is have a chat here and there, weigh up the likely trajectories of the individuals involved and at the right moment give Terry his support and help turn the media tide, as above. All decisively promote Wayne Rooney into that role.

Just as ministers are forced to resign from Cabinet for scandals that shouldn't be relevant to their work as public servants, if the national sentiment is consistently against Terry by way of the media, there is nothing anyone can do. He’ll have to resign because it threatens the side's chances.

[ethicalstrategy]

Save all this for the other thread - if you were Capello would you take the armband away from JT, drop him? drop Bridge? do you think there will be fractions within a World cup training camp if Bridge and JT are both selected?

I would keep him based on the fact that he was the best man for the job before and nothing has changed that. Bridge has got no cause for complaint. If he doesn't want to play under Terry's captaincy then that's his prerogative. Capello would be mad to cast out JT to keep Bridge happy. Bridge is not even certain to make the squad.

[Chippy]

I think Bridgey should get the armband, If we can sack the best leader in English Football in preparation for a world cup because he is a dick head in his private life we might as well give it to the bloke who he wronged.

I would like to see Bridge come out and say something like he and the mother of his kid had gone their seperate ways and although its a bit uneasy one of his mates nipping in when she was vulnerable he really doesn't give a sh*t.

I'd like him to add he doesn't need the support of a few of his new team mates with some T Shirts made for stirring up media attention as that just brings more unwanted attention to the woman who is mother of his little boy.

There is no player worthy of the captaincy who is morally perfect and the press could dig into most of them enough to cause a backlash if they felt inclined.

Losing Terry as Captain will have a bigger detrimental effect on the team than having a few players bitching about him behind his back..thats likely as much as they would do.

I don't condone what he done and think he is a twat, he doesn't deserve a decent mate or missus if its true but I only judge the bloke on what he does on the field.

[Ruh Buh Juh]

John Terry.

[The Machine]

John Terry.

Ditto. John Terry.

[charierre]

If JT does lose his captaincy he will also have to lose his place in the squad,the same teamates would surely still mistrust him captain or not? Would we seriously want to be facing Brazil with Ferdinand injured with a central defence partnership of Upson and Brown? I think not. He's the best man for the job,the best defensive organiser England has, the players are all professionals doing a professional job, it is unimportant they are all busom buddies just that they go out and do a job in the summer. JT for skipper!

Edited February 1, 2010 by charierre