L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 CHELSEA could end up winning nothing this season. After Jose Mourinho helped dump the club out of the Champions League, the cracks in their Premier League bid were once again there for all to see in Sunday's draw at Blackburn. Maybe they will still win the FA Cup. But I'm not too sure whether Chelsea's fans and certainly Roman Abramovich are that bothered about the cup. Had owner Abramovich stuck with Mourinho, I strongly believe they would have won in Europe by now. But it is now vital for Chelsea's Russian chief to stop hiring and firing bosses and actually back his manager. If Chelsea do end the season without a pot to pour champagne in, they must keep faith with Carlo Ancelotti. Stability on the management side has always been vitally important for both Manchester United and Arsenal. At Chelsea, this appears to have been a side issue. First of all, Abramovich hired Avram Grant and after being denied the Champions League by the width of a post, he was still fired. Phil Scolari followed and I don't think that he had the courage, or the ability, to lay the foundations of a new era at Stamford Bridge. Then, Guus Hiddink was there to fill the gap until the end of last season and he didn't have to take any chances or ruffle any feathers. It seemed like Scolari was too scared. Both Scolari and Hiddink stuck with the old guard and now many of them are past 30 - and others are approaching that age. They are left with a team which is still extremely strong but with one or two exceptions, it is not getting any better. I'm not saying that all of a sudden, Ancelotti should boot Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard out of the team. Of course not. But I hope Ancelotti is able to feel secure enough in his own position to make changes. I don't see any young, exciting signings being brought in to keep the senior players on their toes. They have not brought in enough substance. At Manchester United, there are no shoo-ins. But too many of Chelsea's team probably know they will play every week without anyone pushing them hard enough. You cannot build teams overnight and Alex Ferguson has once again proved he is the past-master. Unless Chelsea are careful, they will wake up one day and realise they are left with an ageing team with only past glories to look at. I'm sure there are issues within the dressing room that Ancelotti will want to deal with. He will probably be wondering whether to stick with John Terry as club captain - whether the team are all behind him, or not, after what has happened in recent weeks. Ancelotti will also be deciding if the player power is too strong at the club. If so, he needs the backing from Abramovich to smash that into tiny pieces. I feel the problem with Chelsea all stems back to the battle of the egos between Abramovich and Mourinho. While Abramovich won the battle short-term, he has ended up as the loser. Mourinho will continue to smile every time he thinks about that win in west London a week ago. When he celebrated after what was a deserved victory, and when he was so ecstatic at the following press conference, he was not merely delighted with a win for Inter Milan. His celebrations were also aimed at Abramovich. He is a billionaire who has everything. But I'm sure, while he relaxes on that massive, expensive yacht, there cannot be a day when Abramovich does not think about the way he treated Mourinho. It must be his biggest regret since buying into Chelsea. When Mourinho was allowed total control over team affairs, everything went well at Chelsea. The problems only started when others started meddling and began telling him who to buy. Now, Ancelotti must be assured that his position as manager is safe - and he must be allowed to manage. Equally, it is important for the club's players to know who is in charge. Ian Wright opinions, I must say that I am agree at 95% of this colum. I leave it here to discuss. I said time and time again, that this is the end of this era and unless we make changes in the squad wi will see the new Ac Milan.
moi Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 You will not endear yourself to people by quoting Ian Wright! His skills lie in advertising plastic curry!
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 You will not endear yourself to people by quoting Ian Wright!His skills lie in advertising plastic curry! To Moi: I believe some of the things he said in his article is the reality of the situation we are in at the moment.
BLUENUT Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 To Moi:I believe some of the things he said in his article is the reality of the situation we are in at the moment. Alas so do I
PloKoon13 Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Ian Wright's weekly tirade of baseless speculation and pub-standard footballing savvy, I see. Move along now...
dkw Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 ian wright? seriously, your quoting ian wright as though he actually knows anything about anything? dear god.
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 Ian Wright's weekly tirade of baseless speculation and pub-standard footballing savvy, I see. Move along now... It seemed like Scolari was too scared. Both Scolari and Hiddink stuck with the old guard and now many of them are past 30 - and others are approaching that age. They are left with a team which is still extremely strong but with one or two exceptions, it is not getting any better. I'm not saying that all of a sudden, Ancelotti should boot Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard out of the team. Of course not. But I hope Ancelotti is able to feel secure enough in his own position to make changes. This is a very important point that reflects where we are at the moment. For that reason I chose to bring the article here. Since the mourinho revolution we didnt bring any important player to the team, just Deco, who is usually with out of the team with hamstring problems.Anelka did very well last season, this season so far he is not at the same level. I am agree with him that in the long term unless we bring some exciting your players able to challenge with The legends ones, we will find ourselves in the same problem that AC Milan are right now. You can agree or disagree, but I dont bring things here to make myself popular. Once again, unless we make changes for next season you will see our decline. This season we suffer a set back in the CL, everyone hailed Jose, but the reality is that we still fight with the same weapons than years before, Lampard 32, Drogba 31, Ballack 33, Deco 33, Terry 29. Our squad is getting older. I will say that some of the names you see in this post, the best of them is over. Our biggest problem is in midfield, not going forward, is all about the pass, the movement, the control of the game, we try to impose ourselves against Inter Milan here, we tried to win the battle in midfield, and we couldnt, and for that reason, the other weapon we used was the long ball to Drogba and it didnt work, In the mourinho era, the team was not so dependent of Drogba as it is now.That team had a very strong midfield, with the best FRANK LAMPARD, the best Damien Duff, the best Arjen Robben, we could cause problems from many areas, now it is all more about Didier, we depend a lot on him. Remember against Barca, one of the best performances I have seen from Chelsea, we didnt have Drogba and Robben, but with Kzman, Joe Cole and Duff and gudy, we were good enough to score 4 goals against Barca. That barca was a hell of team, but we were better. Today is not the same, we still use the same weapons but... of course time has past on some of our players and... you can see the results
BLUENUT Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) ian wright? seriously, your quoting ian wright as though he actually knows anything about anything? dear god. So you don't agree with any of it? I think he raises some valid points, OK, I know he's not the brightest tool in the box, and he is a tool all the same, but you can't say he's not making some valid points. CHELSEA could end up winning nothing this season.After Jose Mourinho helped dump the club out of the Champions League, the cracks in their Premier League bid were once again there for all to see in Sunday's draw at Blackburn. I don't see any young, exciting signings being brought in to keep the senior players on their toes. At Manchester United, there are no shoo-ins. But too many of Chelsea's team probably know they will play every week without anyone pushing them hard enough. But it is now vital for Chelsea's Russian chief to stop hiring and firing bosses and actually back his manager. Just a couple of quotes that have been mentioned and agreed on this forum. Edited March 23, 2010 by BLUENUT
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 So you don't agree with any of it?I think he raises some valid points, OK, I know he's not the brightest tool in the box, and he is a tool all the same, but you can't say he's not making some valid points. I am agree with a lot of points of the article for that reason I put it here
dkw Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 QUOTECHELSEA could end up winning nothing this season. After Jose Mourinho helped dump the club out of the Champions League, the cracks in their Premier League bid were once again there for all to see in Sunday's draw at Blackburn. We could also end up winning a domestic double. QUOTEI don't see any young, exciting signings being brought in to keep the senior players on their toes. hes been here a year, and probably blooded more young players than the last 3 or 4 managers. we have 3 or 4 superb young players who Carlo has mentioned by name as playing a much more important part in the 1st team squad next year. QUOTEAt Manchester United, there are no shoo-ins. But too many of Chelsea's team probably know they will play every week without anyone pushing them hard enough. mostly agree, but we have hardly had the chance to pick from strength this season now have we. QUOTEBut it is now vital for Chelsea's Russian chief to stop hiring and firing bosses and actually back his manager. totally agree with this, but the rest is just point scoring bullsh*t written by a complete twat who hates us for the way he thinks we treat his beloved little swp (who was f**king garbage for us). f**k him.
BLUENUT Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 We could also end up winning a domestic double.hes been here a year, and probably blooded more young players than the last 3 or 4 managers. we have 3 or 4 superb young players who Carlo has mentioned by name as playing a much more important part in the 1st team squad next year. mostly agree, but we have hardly had the chance to pick from strength this season now have we. totally agree with this, but the rest is just point scoring bullsh*t written by a complete twat who hates us for the way he thinks we treat his beloved little swp (who was f**king garbage for us). f**k him. None of those youngsters have been anywhere near the side recently, and are token bench-warmers. What's happened to Kakuta, Borini or Matic, I doubt any of them have played since before Christmas. Anyway I agree he is a pr*ck and still smarting about his boy, who's still not really cutting it at City. He's probably copied alot of it from this forum, but I thought in this instance, he'd made some valid points
dkw Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 None of those youngsters have been anywhere near the side recently, and are token bench-warmers. What's happened to Kakuta, Borini or Matic, I doubt any of them have played since before Christmas.Anyway I agree he is a pr*ck and still smarting about his boy, who's still not really cutting it at City. He's probably copied alot of it from this forum, but I thought in this instance, he'd made some valid points im guessing Carlo knows how to bring young players through better than we do, and as i said he`s said they will be playing a much bigger part next season. bringing em through slowly is much better than just dumping 4 of them in the team and expecting them to do well.
german-blue Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 That Roman vs Jose stuff is bullsh*t imo. Otherwise he made some fair points
loz Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Irrespetive of whether or not you agree with all or some of the points can we try and get away from any idea that this is an Ian Wright article. Ian Wright's analysis of football tends to go along the lines of 'ATTACK, ATTACK, RUN AT PACE, PASS AT PACE, TACKLE AT PACE, ATTACK ATTACK' There is as much chance of this being written by Ian Wright as there is of Naomi Campbell winning 'Passenger of the Year'
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 Is not about Ian wright guys. is about the article he wrote in the sun. to discuss his point, not If you like him or not.Thats not the point.
Mod Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Do you think we should sign him in the summer L.Essien?
goose Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Stability on the management side has always been vitally important for both Manchester United and Arsenal. At Chelsea, this appears to have been a side issue. Sort of lost interest after this sentence. Wenger took a team which challenged the league each season until Roman came along. Arsenal have won f**k all this past 6 seasons.
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 This is not the place to discuss about Arsenal or Wenger or Ian Wrigt. Arsenal is Arsenal, they have their polices, what they want and I dont care. They can do what they want. I dont understand why do we have to talk about Ian Wright. He made a point about how he sees us, I posted here to see what was your reaction on his coments, not If you like him or not. I am a bit dissapointed as I see that you dont care about a Chelsea future, now, is all about Ian Wright. Next time I will think if a writer has a relation with any team before bring it here.I am quite dissapointed by many of your reactions
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 To Goose If you want me to answer with facts to your really silly coment, let me know, be aware I am going to embarras you
loz Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Maybe you need a little more knowledge about Ian Wright L Essien. Ian Wright despises Chelsea and takes every opportunity to have a go at us (mainly because his son wasn't good enough to play for us). As a result most people don't see much point debating his opinion about us. It is a little hopeful to expect people to take up their own time to rationalise over the opinion of a man who has a clear bias.
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 I know, I know his son never made it here. I know that. I was here when SWP played for Chelsea. What did he expect? In that time, we WERE the best team in Europe. To lose a game at the bridge, was UNTHINKable!!! when we played here not less than the three points would be valid for four years we didnt lose a game here at the bridge. So he played for Arsenal, I know, so what? He can say, you can agree or not, but dont come to me with Wenger, Arsenal or Ian Wright story.
loz Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 L Essien This is a forum, people can discuss whatever they want. If you are going to get huffy because people have the cheek not to stick rigidly to the point of your thread then you are going to find yourself annoyed very very often! Pour yourself a glass of chianti and relax a little.
L Essien Posted March 23, 2010 Author Posted March 23, 2010 L EssienThis is a forum, people can discuss whatever they want. If you are going to get huffy because people have the cheek not to stick rigidly to the point of your thread then you are going to find yourself annoyed very very often! Pour yourself a glass of chianti and relax a little. Thanks, you are right. I become to understand whom I am going to talk here. Sorry If I got angry. it wont happen again.
PloKoon13 Posted March 23, 2010 Posted March 23, 2010 Ok, let's take a look: Maybe they will still win the FA Cup. But I'm not too sure whether Chelsea's fans and certainly Roman Abramovich are that bothered about the cup. Completely baseless speculation. Had owner Abramovich stuck with Mourinho, I strongly believe they would have won in Europe by now. More baseless speculation. We all know perfectly well that it isn't necessarily the quality of the side which has restricted us from European glory. But it is now vital for Chelsea's Russian chief to stop hiring and firing bosses and actually back his manager.If Chelsea do end the season without a pot to pour champagne in, they must keep faith with Carlo Ancelotti. Stability on the management side has always been vitally important for both Manchester United and Arsenal. At Chelsea, this appears to have been a side issue. First of all, Abramovich hired Avram Grant and after being denied the Champions League by the width of a post, he was still fired. Phil Scolari followed and I don't think that he had the courage, or the ability, to lay the foundations of a new era at Stamford Bridge. Then, Guus Hiddink was there to fill the gap until the end of last season and he didn't have to take any chances or ruffle any feathers. In short: "Roman Abramovich is pretty ruthless with the guys who manage his team." No sh*t... It seemed like Scolari was too scared. Both Scolari and Hiddink stuck with the old guard and now many of them are past 30 - and others are approaching that age.They are left with a team which is still extremely strong but with one or two exceptions, it is not getting any better. I'm not saying that all of a sudden, Ancelotti should boot Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard out of the team. Of course not. But I hope Ancelotti is able to feel secure enough in his own position to make changes. I don't see any young, exciting signings being brought in to keep the senior players on their toes. They have not brought in enough substance. Immediately after saying our club needs stability, he suggests we shake the team up by dropping our regulars in favour of "young, exciting signings" - a none-too subtle w**k over Arsenal, and about as useful as the guys who crash into the transfer topics on this forum and suggest we buy Ribery, Pato, Aguero, Milner and Messi. He makes much original intellectual headway by telling us a bombshell - some of our players are ageing! His persistent hypocrisy is highlighted further when we take into respect this quote from his equally informative article from December 2009: A large number of people hate Chelsea because of the way they have bought their success[...] So while criticizing us for "buying our success", he in the same breath criticizes us for not buying enough "young, exciting new talent"! The Pulitzer Prize is slipping further and further from your grasp, Ian... I'm sure there are issues within the dressing room that Ancelotti will want to deal with.He will probably be wondering whether to stick with John Terry as club captain - whether the team are all behind him, or not, after what has happened in recent weeks. Ancelotti will also be deciding if the player power is too strong at the club. If so, he needs the backing from Abramovich to smash that into tiny pieces. Ah, he declares, with his insider knowledge of the Chelsea dressing room, there are personal problems within the team. More baseless speculation afoot, I fear! There was never any question of John Terry's position as Chelsea captain; he only lost form when the entire scandal rag half of the British media started an intense smear campaign against him. At GCSE level, you are taught to back up what your arguments with facts, although it's hardly surprising that basic literacy skills elude Ian Wright. I feel the problem with Chelsea all stems back to the battle of the egos between Abramovich and Mourinho. While Abramovich won the battle short-term, he has ended up as the loser.Mourinho will continue to smile every time he thinks about that win in west London a week ago. You will continue smiling too, I'd imagine. Not that you'd make any useful comment about the match like how your heralded messiah's new team are a bunch of dirty cheating bar stewards, huh? When he celebrated after what was a deserved victory, and when he was so ecstatic at the following press conference, he was not merely delighted with a win for Inter Milan. His celebrations were also aimed at Abramovich. He is a billionaire who has everything.But I'm sure, while he relaxes on that massive, expensive yacht, there cannot be a day when Abramovich does not think about the way he treated Mourinho. It must be his biggest regret since buying into Chelsea. I like the snide language you use there to try and disparage Abramovich. I expect he's having a wonderful time on his yacht, and I also expect he doesn't have a clue, nor give a flying f**k who you are, Ian. Bear in mind that Mourinho did no better in Europe than his successors, and his successors did this without even half the funds that Mourinho had available. Of course Mourinho is a spectacular manager, but to claim that we'd be in a much better position with him in charge is more baseless speculation, and if this rot which we are suffering exists, it began in Mourinho's final season. When Mourinho was allowed total control over team affairs, everything went well at Chelsea. The problems only started when others started meddling and began telling him who to buy.Now, Ancelotti must be assured that his position as manager is safe - and he must be allowed to manage. Equally, it is important for the club's players to know who is in charge. The players know exactly who is in charge and have expressed how much they like Ancelotti on several occasions. Again Wright shows his insider knowledge of the Chelsea boardroom. This is why you can't take Ian Wright seriously. The man is thick as sh*t, his writing thrives on baseless speculation and snide, bitter remarks, and the man is a complete prick to boot. If he wants to spend his time more fruitfully, might I suggest that he teaches his son how to cross the ball.
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