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So the real question is this....... Is Avi a Chelsea legend if West Ham go down?

The man that signed Jose Bosingwa? I think that's unlikely...

The man that signed Jose Bosingwa? I think that's unlikely...

Huh?.. thought Scolari did that. Grant made two excellent signing in Bran and Anelka..

In fact he should be legend just for signing Ivan, the best we've made in years..

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So the real question is this....... Is Avi a Chelsea legend if West Ham go down?

And would it make him a bigger legend than Zola, who couldn't take them down...?

Huh?.. thought Scolari did that. Grant made two excellent signing in Bran and Anelka..

In fact he should be legend just for signing Ivan, the best we've made in years..

Now that you say that, it could have been Scolari - I always thought it was Avi, but the deal was completed pretty much as the job changed hands so I guess it could have been either.

Signing Ivan was definitely a shrewd move although IMO he's wasted at Rght Back, and not part of our best centre back pairing - so after we buy a decent full back for the right side should be a squad player for the forseeable.

any idiots that still think this man had anything to do with chelsea getting to champs league final in 2008 should take a long hard look at where west ham find themselves tonight...scarily enough he could be back at our club in the boardroom next season... :shok:



Top marks to whoever was behind the AVRAM GRANT - MILLWALL LEGEND banner towed behind the plane at Wigan today.

The bloke is absolutely useless as a manager, even Barcelona would get relegated with him in charge.

Come in Chippy!

I agree. I came into this thread expecting the smoking baby to be right next to another cool-headed paragraph but it wasn't to be. :(

Poor old Avram, it wasn't all his fault. Don't get me wrong, West Ham going down made my day, but that team, particularly the defence, is a crock of sh*t and it's pretty clear that this day had been coming for a while.

They could be a division away from Stevenage next season... hahahahaha

any idiots that still think this man had anything to do with chelsea getting to champs league final in 2008 should take a long hard look at where west ham find themselves tonight...scarily enough he could be back at our club in the boardroom next season... :shok:

Any idiots who believe a Football team can manage itself to a CL final, A game away from premiership champions and a cup final should take a long hard look at themselves, what fate fell (happily) to West Ham almost happened last season with Zola and Clarke at the helm and Clarke was given a lot of credit here while eveyone would like Zola back in some capacity.

Grant has had a go at Managing a top team and came incredibly close to a treble, he then had a go at two teams with relegation written all over them and got relegated, no surprises just plain old getting out of the players what looked about right.

I see your calling for our Manager who won us the double in his first seasons head for managing only a second place after the things that have happened this season...another look in the Mirror would be my advice.



chippy...another look at our worst points tally under abramovich, even ranieri (derided by many) managed more in 2003-4, says carlo has to take some responsibility regardless of some dodgy decisions by club and poor performances from players...second place flatters us this season...

as for grant...when we were losing against spurs in carling cup final in 2008 and jt was giving team talk at half time in extra time while avram was just scraching his head on his own, who do you think was running the show?

and also ever asked yourself why a manager who supposedly guided a club to champs league final, second place in prem league only gets a job at bottom club portsmouth 18 months later? surely an indication the football world knew the level of his contribution?

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chippy...another look at our worst points tally under abramovich, even ranieri (derided by many) managed more in 2003-4, says carlo has to take some responsibility regardless of some dodgy decisions by club and poor performances from players...second place flatters us this season

You have to factor in the competition, UTDs points tally isn't huge and although you like to put that down to a weak premiership, in my opinion its more because its a stronger all round premiership.

Of course Carlo has to take some responsibility as if he has any morals at all should Roman, the players we let go would have undoubtably been enough to bolster the team through the bad times and the ammount of points dropped would have been far fewer and we'd be champions again now.

maybe better use could have been made of a couple of young players maybe not but that never had the detrimental effect that losing Carvalho when we badly needed a CB or not having a Ballack, Deco or even Cole had when Lampard and Essien were out, the loss of Benayoun through injury hurt us as well and I hope Roman has learned enough to understand the consequenses of trimming a squad too much and trusting to luck.

I truely hope he can see that there is no manager out there thats got a better record who would be available and that wasting money paying Carlo off when he still has a year on his contract is absurd when he could back him and give him another year to see if he can repeat his first season when he pulled a squad together and got them breaking premiership records instead of a season where he handicapped him from the off and watched as the press touted his job to all and sundry happily letting him sweat on it.

chippy..while your unwavering support of carlo is admirable, me thinks you better prepare yourself for his departure in just over a week's time :unsure:



chippy...another look at our worst points tally under abramovich, even ranieri (derided by many) managed more in 2003-4, says carlo has to take some responsibility regardless of some dodgy decisions by club and poor performances from players...second place flatters us this season...

as for grant...when we were losing against spurs in carling cup final in 2008 and jt was giving team talk at half time in extra time while avram was just scraching his head on his own, who do you think was running the show?

and also ever asked yourself why a manager who supposedly guided a club to champs league final, second place in prem league only gets a job at bottom club portsmouth 18 months later? surely an indication the football world knew the level of his contribution?

You can't back up an argument with preconcieved ideas, you can look at results and the truth is with a good team he done well and with a bad team he done badly...I would imagine with a mediocre team he would do averagely.

I don't know what makes you imagine JTs team talk was anything more than a Captain trying to get the best from the team and I don't understand who you think decided on tactics, formations and team selection that got the team to two finals and a runners up spot.

I don't care that Grant never got a top level Job after his Job here and I wouldn't choose him myself for a top team but as I saids at the time, if I had have given him the Job there is no way I would have sacked him after three quarters of a season based on the results he achieved.

chippy do you really think west ham's squad should be bottom of the League?...if avram is the manager you think he is, then surely he would do better than that?

chippy..while your unwavering support of carlo is admirable, me thinks you better prepare yourself for his departure in just over a week's time :unsure:

I'm fully prepared for all eventualities but that doesn't mean its fair, It will just remind me of the little repect I have for the owner of the club and the horrible position I find myself in where I'm happy we've got his money behind us but I believe we'll never be the force he wants us to be.

I hope your fully prepared for Carlo to be here next year just in case Roman actually learned something in the last few years.

chippy do you really think west ham's squad should be bottom of the League?...if avram is the manager you think he is, then surely he would do better than that?

I think West Ham have a couple of good players and are basically about as good as they were last year although the rest of the division has improved, they missed relegation by one place last season and looked destined for the drop this time round.

and quoting the manger I think Avram is is difficult for me so you guessing at it must be pretty tricky, as I said he done well with a good team and badly with a bad one, hes an ok manager that if given a contract shouldn't be sacked if the team is runner up in the premiership and loses in a cup final while being a coat of paint away from european champions.



i'm prepared for anything as in any chelsea season these days, but i truly believe carlo was waving farewell today, in front of an embarassing small crowd after the final whistle...by the way there were no 'we want you to stay' banners unlike claudio, hiddink...no carlo chants until the lap of dishonour either...me thinks a lot of fans presnt today aren't fussed either way if he stays or goes judging by lack of support for him today

i'm prepared for anything as in any chelsea season these days, but i truly believe carlo was waving farewell today, in front of an embarassing small crowd after the final whistle...by the way there were no 'we want you to stay' banners unlike claudio, hiddink...no carlo chants until the lap of dishonour either...me thinks a lot of fans presnt today aren't fussed either way if he stays or goes judging by lack of support for him today

That just shows what Chelsea fans have become, arogant and fickle to the extreme...Luckily though its not down to the fans and Roman will be the one who decides on Carlos future...I have no faith that he'll make the right decision but I'm sure he won't give a toss if fans had Carlo Banners or if they were singing the name of Rafa Benitez.

I agree...i may have my doubts re. carlo, but I was truly embarassed by the walkout yesterday and lack of appreciation for carlo and players...yes it's been poor by our standards, but it was a chance to thank those who are moving on and that could be quite a few inc. carlo, didier, anelka, malouda etc people who deserve some acclaim for what they have done for the club overall

I agree...i may have my doubts re. carlo, but I was truly embarassed by the walkout yesterday and lack of appreciation for carlo and players...yes it's been poor by our standards, but it was a chance to thank those who are moving on and that could be quite a few inc. carlo, didier, anelka, malouda etc people who deserve some acclaim for what they have done for the club overall

Maybe when some of these do leave in the summer and find new Clubs people will be less inclined to wonder why they don't say all the right things about their time here and say good things about their new employers, ala Joe Cole.

I think some have let us down over the season and in yesterdays game, heads dropping and an attitude that looked like they thought they only had to turn uo to win, after the second equaliser I think they were likely gutted there wasn't ten or twelve minutes left as I think they new they could step it up a huge amount but even so at this stage of the season in a match where they were still thinking what easily could have been I can understand the feeling in the team was not one of bust a gut mentality, I know it was a game where we could and did secure second place but it seemed all too much effort for some out there, even so they have earned our respect and they have certainly entertained me in a topsy turvy season...I salute them and the Manager for that and I'm well pleased with the late run that says to everyone Chelsea are not in decline...had it carried on how it was we could have ended fifth and be the butt of more jokes over the summer than West Ham will be.



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