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The way Manu are playing and the way we are playing we now need something special.

spuds are reasonable opposition charlton were not. They score 4 we score 1. Allowing for us to beat them where is the extra 3 points going to come from.

and... while I'm in a doubting thomas mood I can see us having some more slip ups in our current form.

oh well hope springs eternal

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Im with you to a certain degree but now that we have J.T. back and Essien moving to his most effective role in Midfield , i feel things will change in our performances , we just need Sheva to start scoring regularly and not just against weaker sides . He's lost that half a yard which is needed but if we get balls in from wide positions it could be a different outcome. United are playing well , no injuries and confidence is sky high, with Charlton next week they could go 9 clear if we slip up against Boro , which has been known to happen .

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unfortunatley ozboy, you are merely stating what a lot of us are thinking/feeling. As you say, even IF we do beat the mancs, I don't know where they will drop another 3 points. And I also, no matter how optimistic I am, can't see us going the rest of the season unblemished

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Ozboy, here's my take:

Manure have (apart from Bolton) a relatively easy ride for their remaining matches at home. On the assumption that Bolton can get a draw at OT and Manure win their other 5 home matches, then they pick up 16 points at home.

Manure away is to my mind, very different: They have to play the pool and us, not to mention the derby and they also have the Goodison, Pompey and Fulham fixtures. Obviously we and the pool have to win against Manure. In that event and the in the event that Manure draw 1 and win 3 against the others, or, even better, draw 2 and win 2 away then they pick up only 8 or 10 points away.

In consequence Manure would finish on 88 or 90 points.

Now, as far as chels is concerned, and on the assumption that we win 5 of our remaining games at home (leaving the manure fixture to one side for the moment), we will pick up 15 points at home.

As far as our away fixtures are concerned, I reckon we have a relatively easy run (apart from the Arse). On the assumption that we win 5 out of those 6 away games and at least draw with the arse, then we pick up 16 points.

In the event of all of the above, we are on 88 points (with the Manure result still in the mix). If we win that game, obviously we win the comp. If a draw, then, sh*t.......... it gets a bit hard to work out but it must be bloody close

We simply have to beat Manure at the Bridge, hope the pool do the same at Anfield, hope Manure draw at least once whilst on the road with the others and that we take maximum points against all the others (including the arse).

In other words, piece of cake. Have some faith. icon_wink.gif

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ManUtd gets Liverpool, Chelsea and Everton away. I think Everton wouldn`t be easy for them.

Our schedule is more difficult. Arsenal(a), Tottenham, Newcastle(a), Everton, Bolton, ManUtd. A lot of tough games are still to play (six out of twelve at least). But the major concern is about CL? Do we still want to win it??? If yes I`m afraid we will miss the title.

Right now we have no good enough squad depth to run for 2 big titles. But let the time show. This is a situation about Chelsea and ManUtd, all levels are involved. I mean team form, players` fitness, key injuries, suspensions.(Dive can tranform into penalty and scored goal, but it can be second yellow too, isn`t it? icon_twisted.gif ) Hopefully bad days for us are finished. Now we must give microphone to Mancs, it`s their time to entertain...

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That result ,(spuds v manure) was always going to happen, if they had got at them and harried them the way they did against us, it could have been very different.

Against us, once the Drogs effort had been ruled out, they played like a team possessed, chasing down all over the park, 200% in every challenge, and a fair bit of football being played to boot. now look at yesterday, at 0-0 it was fairly even, with spuds even looking (for a minute or so anyway!) like they may get something from the game, but then the winker goes to ground and Scholes just after the break, and suddenly it's a case of "sod it why bother?"

Anyone remember old trafford a few years ago? last day of season, same two teams, spuds needing to win to give Le Arse any hope of taking the title, Ferdinand puts them one up,to begin the most muted goal celebration in the history of the beautiful game, and what followed was total capitulation on the spuds part, how a stewards enquiry wasn't called, I will never know.

I feel we have shot ourselves in the foot this season, and in all honesty probably don't deserve to win the league given some of our displays this term, but it really gets on my t*ts when you see a side just roll over and die when you know they are capable of doing better, and as for Messrs Keys and Gray!!!!! 1064.gif1064.gif1064.gif1064.gif

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1) van der sar injured, games will start piling up when the CL/FA cup starts again, they have a small squad, they will get injuries.

2) you do not need to play well and win big every week, you just have to win every week. they can have all the great form in the world and we can play like dogs but if we keep winning all we need is 3 points and it will come down to goal difference if we can beat them!

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The way Manu are playing and the way we are playing we now need something special.

spuds are reasonable opposition charlton were not. They score 4 we score 1. Allowing for us to beat them where is the extra 3 points going to come from.

and... while I'm in a doubting thomas mood I can see us having some more slip ups in our current form.

oh well hope springs eternal

not for you though apparently! icon_lol.gif

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unfortunatley ozboy, you are merely stating what a lot of us are thinking/feeling. As you say, even IF we do beat the mancs, I don't know where they will drop another 3 points. And I also, no matter how optimistic I am, can't see us going the rest of the season unblemished

Scott

away to liverpool? maybe.

other possible draws include

Fulham away

Portsmouth away

Everton away

Man City away

it doesn't take much to drop 3 or 4 points - (see our draws to Reading & Fulham at home) and then the match at the bridge becomes pivotal.

We don't necessarily need to go unblemished to the end of the season, but we can't afford more than a couple of draws or one loss. and we must beat utd at home.

Come on lets see some confidence!!

::TrOphy::

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The way Manu are playing and the way we are playing we now need something special.

spuds are reasonable opposition charlton were not. They score 4 we score 1. Allowing for us to beat them where is the extra 3 points going to come from.

and... while I'm in a doubting thomas mood I can see us having some more slip ups in our current form.

oh well hope springs eternal

not for you though apparently! icon_lol.gif

Its the difference between a supporter and a bookmaker, but I take the point icon_eek.gif

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You're looking too hard - they'll drop points where least expected. They'll drop points to clubs at the bottom of the table.

Unfornately, so CAN we, I'm afraid.

I hate to say it, but they've deserved the title so far.

Besides playing with flair and in constant attack, they have been solid.

Wich is something that couldn't be said the last 2 seasons.

There are several points that have strengtened them, however IMO, these are obvious:

1st) Vidic. The fecker has been solid and manages to cover for the ocasional "Riocockup"

2nd) We were illuding ourselves...they hadn't any defensive midfielder, let alone a proper one. Carrick, like him or not, has been the base of their defensive midfield.

3rd) Also related to the above, Scholes. Still a great midfielder and again, he was out injured most of the last season.

4th) Ronaldo. Hate him or love him, he's a great player. 15 goals so far and a constant menace to defenders.

5th) Evra. Not good ? Not good enough in defence ? Fark it. He has been providing the width they to lacked in the left side due - mostly - to Giggs getting old/slow.

On the other hand, it's true they haven't got anyone sent off this season, and mostly, they haven't got any major injuries too. (Unlike last season).

Most of all, they made decent aquisitions, wich are now integrated, have an established formation and haven't had any major injuries.

Even is Ronaldo or Scholes got injured now, I don't think they would strugle. ONLY if - for instance - Ronaldo AND Scholes AND Vidic got injured they could come falling down. (As we did with Joe, Terry, Cech, etc etc etc)

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You're looking too hard - they'll drop points where least expected. They'll drop points to clubs at the bottom of the table.

Unfornately, so CAN we, I'm afraid.

I hate to say it, but they've deserved the title so far.

Besides playing with flair and in constant attack, they have been solid.

Wich is something that couldn't be said the last 2 seasons.

There are several points that have strengtened them, however IMO, these are obvious:

1st) Vidic. The fecker has been solid and manages to cover for the ocasional "Riocockup"

2nd) We were illuding ourselves...they hadn't any defensive midfielder, let alone a proper one. Carrick, like him or not, has been the base of their defensive midfield.

3rd) Also related to the above, Scholes. Still a great midfielder and again, he was out injured most of the last season.

4th) Ronaldo. Hate him or love him, he's a great player. 15 goals so far and a constant menace to defenders.

5th) Evra. Not good ? Not good enough in defence ? Fark it. He has been providing the width they to lacked in the left side due - mostly - to Giggs getting old/slow.

6th) Van der Sar. Fergie once said that a good goalkeeper is worth about 15 points during a season. For 11 league games this season, we've had to play a 3rd choice goalie, while United have kept their 1st choice throughout. Crucial difference.

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that's a bit negative, oz.

on the other hand, tottenham have far less to play for than charlton.

it's still only six points. if we keep winning (and truthfully, we are the best team in the league) and united draw a couple before we play then it's all good. we don't need to equal their tally yet- just get within 2 points.

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