3 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

It's a good offer in your eyes because you're obviously a Chelsea fan. If I'm Monaco, that's an offer I'd throw out the window within 30 seconds. Batshuayi is hardly a Morata who's sitting on our bench but deserves to start for us. Very raw player who hasn't got his sh*t together yet. He's not worth the 30m we paid for him but that's another story. There are other replacements Monaco can get that would fit better and do better for them.

No it's definitely a good offer for Monaco, they would be getting one of the best strikers in Ligue 1 plus £50-60m, In exchange for an 18 year old who they never paid a penny for. That's a ridiculously good offer.

Just now, pacquiao said:

No it's definitely a good offer for Monaco, they would be getting one of the best strikers in Ligue 1 plus £50-60m, In exchange for an 18 year old who they never paid a penny for. That's a ridiculously good offer.

Again, good offer in YOUR eyes. 

Such a deal would never happen.

If Rooney went for 30 odd million at 18 more than 12 years ago then you can see why the current boy wonder is touted at over 100 given the climate we are now in.

That's football sadly. Monaco posses one of if not the brightest young footballers in world football, they are of course going to set the bar ridiculously high because they know clubs WILL pay it. 

Edited May 2, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

1 minute ago, Chelsbear said:

If Rooney went for 30 odd million at 18 more than 12 years ago then you can see why the current boy wonder is touted at over 100 given the climate we are now in.

That's football sadly. Monaco posses one of if not the brightest young oot ballers in world football, they are of course going to set the bar ridiculously high because they know clubs WILL pay it. 

You make a good point re: Rooney. It was a ridiculous amount United paid at the time but it looked less ridiculous considering they had broken the transfer record for Rio a few years prior. Still, it puts the Mbappe saga into perspective.

And on the second point, that's exactly what I've been trying to tell @pacquiao. Monaco are in a position of power here. Batshuayi + 60m would be a stupid deal for them to accept, especially considering how much Mitchy's stock has dropped since joining us (not that he was a serial world beater in the first place anyway).

4 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

Again, good offer in YOUR eyes. 

Such a deal would never happen.

so explain how that is a bad offer, getting one of the best strikers in Ligue 1 plus a ridiculous sum of money? 

6 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

You make a good point re: Rooney. It was a ridiculous amount United paid at the time but it looked less ridiculous considering they had broken the transfer record for Rio a few years prior. Still, it puts the Mbappe saga into perspective.

And on the second point, that's exactly what I've been trying to tell @pacquiao. Monaco are in a position of power here. Batshuayi + 60m would be a stupid deal for them to accept, especially considering how much Mitchy's stock has dropped since joining us (not that he was a serial world beater in the first place anyway).

Looking at Monaco's history recently they would probably rather bank the most they can and just bring on the next promosing youth they have.

I mean you look at some of the players coming through currently and guys like Martial who they sold also for big money. They seem to have a system that's working well for them.

Edited May 2, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

9 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

You make a good point re: Rooney. It was a ridiculous amount United paid at the time but it looked less ridiculous considering they had broken the transfer record for Rio a few years prior. Still, it puts the Mbappe saga into perspective.

And on the second point, that's exactly what I've been trying to tell @pacquiao. Monaco are in a position of power here. Batshuayi + 60m would be a stupid deal for them to accept, especially considering how much Mitchy's stock has dropped since joining us (not that he was a serial world beater in the first place anyway).

How on earth are they in a position of power? They know they are a selling club and won't be able to hold onto their best players, their whole footballing model now is about developing young players and selling them for a profit, which is why them getting another young striker in Batshuayi would definitely interest them.

Edited May 2, 20179 yr by pacquiao

Just now, pacquiao said:

so explain how that is a bad offer, getting one of the best strikers in Ligue 1 plus a ridiculous sum of money? 

"One of the best strikers in Ligue 1" who hasn't even done as well as Falcao is doing this season in Ligue 1. Or Balotelli. Or 18 year old Mbappe. And you're referring to 15/16 which at this point in the year is almost 2 seasons ago. I'm afraid you're overrating Michy here. What happens if Madrid throws in Morata + 70m? 

1 minute ago, pacquiao said:

How on earth are they in a position of power? They know they are a selling club and won't be able to hold onto their best players, their whole footballing model now is about developing young players and selling them for a profit, which is why them getting another young sticker in Batshuayi would definitely interest them.

When I say position of power, it's not in the sense that they're not going to sell at all. It's that they're going to get the highest possible fee they can get for him because the best clubs in the world WANT this kid asap. And I'm sure they wouldn't mind enjoying his services for another season. They're hardly knocking on everyone's door looking for beggars.

You also need to realize that player + cash deals rarely happen these days. When was the last significant player plus cash deal you can remember? Last significant one I remember personally is 25m + Matic to Benfica for Luiz 6 years ago. You're fantasizing about a type of deal that doesn't happen often and with a player who's hardly a world beater. Won't happen mate.

7 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Looking at Monaco's history recently they would probably rather bank the most they can and just bring on the next promosing youth they have.

I mean you look at some of the players coming through currently and guys like Martial who they sold also for big money. They seem to have a system that's working well for them.

Exactly. They don't need Batshuayi. They'll grab as much cash they can from the highest bidder and line up the next relatively unknown talent to groom him into stardom for sale again within 2-3 years. They're already preparing to sign Anderlecht's Yuri Tielemans as replacement for Bakayoko.

Just now, Barrettinator said:

"One of the best strikers in Ligue 1" who hasn't even done as well as Falcao is doing this season in Ligue 1. Or Balotelli. Or 18 year old Mbappe. And you're referring to 15/16 which at this point in the year is almost 2 seasons ago. I'm afraid you're overrating Michy here. What happens if Madrid throws in Morata + 70m? 

Batshuayi played for an awful Marseille team and basically kept them in the league on his own, he directly contributed to over 50% of their goals. 

Mans there is no chance Morata would accept to going to play for Monaco.

Just now, pacquiao said:

Batshuayi played for an awful Marseille team and basically kept them in the league on his own, he directly contributed to over 50% of their goals. 

Mans there is no chance Morata would accept to going to play for Monaco.

And there's no reason Monaco would accept Batshuayi instead of more money and developing another budding young talent. It's that simple.

5 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

When I say position of power, it's not in the sense that they're not going to sell at all. It's that they're going to get the highest possible fee they can get for him because the best clubs in the world WANT this kid asap. And I'm sure they wouldn't mind enjoying his services for another season. They're hardly knocking on everyone's door looking for beggars.

You also need to realize that player + cash deals rarely happen these days. When was the last significant player plus cash deal you can remember? Last significant one I remember personally is 25m + Matic to Benfica for Luiz 6 years ago. You're fantasizing about a type of deal that doesn't happen often and with a player who's hardly a world beater. Won't happen mate.

I disagree, you are acting like Mbappe is their only prized asset they are going to make money selling Sidibe, Mendy, Fabinho, Bakayoko, Lemar and Bernardo Silva, so their hardly going to play hard ball over Mbappe when they know they are going to turn a profit on a lot more of their players. 

And I'm not saying it's going to happen I am saying that's the offer I would like to see us make.

5 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

And there's no reason Monaco would accept Batshuayi instead of more money and developing another budding young talent. It's that simple.

It's way more likely that they would take Batshuayi as he is proven in the league rather then rest their hopes on another youngster to deliver, Monaco will want to still win trophies, so why would they bring in another 18 year old for example when they can bring in a more experienced player who has proven himself in that league? Unless you think Monaco are going to keep producing Mbappe's every season.

5 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

I disagree, you are acting like Mbappe is their only prized asset they are going to make money selling Sidibe, Mendy, Fabinho, Bakayoko, Lemar and Bernardo Silva, so their hardly going to play hard ball over Mbappe when they know they are going to turn a profit on a lot more of their players. 

And I'm not saying it's going to happen I am saying that's the offer I would like to see us make.

Mbappe is head and shoulders the best talent on the team. That's like saying Madrid will make more money selling Kroos, Modric, Bale, Isco and Marcelo so they wouldn't mind taking a player + cash deal for Ronaldo. Doesn't work like that. In fact, if they sell Mbappe and maybe one other player, they'll have enough money sitting in the bank to tell all other clubs interested in their other players to pay higher fees or f**k off.

2 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

It's way more likely that they would take Batshuayi as he is proven in the league rather then rest their hopes on another youngster to deliver, Monaco will want to still win trophies, so why would they bring in another 18 year old for example when they can bring in a more experienced player who has proven himself in that league? Unless you think Monaco are going to keep producing Mbappe's every season.

Seems like you haven't noticed their current model. They're taking after Porto's model of finding raw talent, grooming the talent and selling for a hefty fee. They could have taken your advice and gone for some experienced striker rather than a young inexperienced lad after they sold Martial to United but what did they do? They went for Mbappe. Falcao is already the main striker on the team. They can afford to have an inexperienced lad playing alongside him. Monaco aren't that concerned with winning trophies even though they would like to. 

For the umpteenth time, Batshuayi isn't going to be in any sort of player + cash deal for Mbappe because Monaco aren't that stupid and they don't care about having "experience" as much as you think. They're one of the youngest teams in Europe across the board and are in the CL semi final still. Won't be surprised if they sign Dembele from Celtics next.

1 minute ago, Barrettinator said:

Mbappe is head and shoulders the best talent on the team. That's like saying Madrid will make more money selling Kroos, Modric, Bale, Isco and Marcelo so they wouldn't mind taking a player + cash deal for Ronaldo. Doesn't work like that. In fact, if they sell Mbappe and maybe one other player, they'll have enough money sitting in the bank to tell all other clubs interested in their other players to pay higher fees or f**k off.

Bernardo Silva and Lemar are both unreal talents both have the potential to play for any team on the planet. So it's not just Mbappe. 

And what makes you think Monaco are so desperate to get as much money as they can? They are not exactly poor, and are not a team who can attract the best players in the world. You think Monaco would rather hold out for an extra £40m instead of getting Batshuayi, ok so what do you expect Monaco to do with that extra money? They are not going to go out and sign Lewandowski or Suarez are they? Batshuayi is the level of player they can realistically  sign and he fits the profile for their club right now, so why would they reject the chance of bringing him into their club?

 

1 minute ago, pacquiao said:

Bernardo Silva and Lemar are both unreal talents both have the potential to play for any team on the planet. So it's not just Mbappe. 

And what makes you think Monaco are so desperate to get as much money as they can? They are not exactly poor, and are not a team who can attract the best players in the world. You think Monaco would rather hold out for an extra £40m instead of getting Batshuayi, ok so what do you expect Monaco to do with that extra money? They are not going to go out and sign Lewandowski or Suarez are they? Batshuayi is the level of player they can realistically  sign and he fits the profile for their club right now, so why would they reject the chance of bringing him into their club?

 

Because they need the money to balance their books? Their stadium is an 18k seater stadium if I'm not mistaken and they're hardly a global merchandise machine raking in money worldwide, neither is there an abundance of TV money flowing into Ligue 1. Plus ever since their owner's disastrous divorce settlement, they've reverted to this model. Selling to balance the books and turn a profit. They really don't need Batshuayi mate. Even Everton wouldn't take Batshuayi + cash for Lukaku.

3 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

Seems like you haven't noticed their current model. They're taking after Porto's model of finding raw talent, grooming the talent and selling for a hefty fee. They could have taken your advice and gone for some experienced striker rather than a young inexperienced lad after they sold Martial to United but what did they do? They went for Mbappe. Falcao is already the main striker on the team. They can afford to have an inexperienced lad playing alongside him. Monaco aren't that concerned with winning trophies even though they would like to. 

For the umpteenth time, Batshuayi isn't going to be in any sort of player + cash deal for Mbappe because Monaco aren't that stupid and they don't care about having "experience" as much as you think. They're one of the youngest teams in Europe across the board and are in the CL semi final still. Won't be surprised if they sign Dembele from Celtics next.

Mbappe is an incredible talent that is why he is in the team, the chances of them having another striker as talented as Mbappe is very very slim.

 

Just now, pacquiao said:

Mbappe is an incredible talent that is why he is in the team, the chances of them having another striker as talented as Mbappe is very very slim.

 

And on that note, there are plenty of strikers of Batshuayi's talent level out there they can get and for cheap too. So why shouldn't they grab as much cash as possible and get a Batshuayi type for 10m somewhere else?

1 minute ago, Barrettinator said:

Because they need the money to balance their books? Their stadium is an 18k seater stadium if I'm not mistaken and they're hardly a global merchandise machine raking in money worldwide, neither is there an abundance of TV money flowing into Ligue 1. Plus ever since their owner's disastrous divorce settlement, they've reverted to this model. Selling to balance the books and turn a profit. They really don't need Batshuayi mate. Even Everton wouldn't take Batshuayi + cash for Lukaku.

They are going to be getting CL money and money from winning the Ligue 1 title I think they are doing fine financially. 

And of course Everton would take Batshuayi if we offered him to them.

Just now, Barrettinator said:

And on that note, there are plenty of strikers of Batshuayi's talent level out there they can get and for cheap too. So why shouldn't they grab as much cash as possible and get a Batshuayi type for 10m somewhere else?

Because you're simply in a fantasy world if you think they can sign a striker of Batshuayi level for 10m

Just now, pacquiao said:

They are going to be getting CL money and money from winning the Ligue 1 title I think they are doing fine financially. 

And of course Everton would take Batshuayi if we offered him to them.

They're doing fine financially because of this model. Why should they make a compromise now just to appease Chelsea for no reason (when we couldn't even do them the favour of taking Falcao of their hands when they wanted us to) instead of taking more money from Madrid or someone else? Wake up, my friend.

And no, Everton wouldn't :lol: Michy has looked poor overall when he has played. Why on earth would they take him? :lol: They didn't even take Lukaku on loan until they saw him perform well for West Brom. They're not some tinpot club. They're the best club outside the top 6. Are you even putting anything in perspective?

1 minute ago, pacquiao said:

Because you're simply in a fantasy world if you think they can sign a striker of Batshuayi level for 10m

What has Batshuayi done since joining Chelsea that makes him worth more than 10m? Tammy Abraham has a higher stock than him at the moment.

40 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

When I say position of power, it's not in the sense that they're not going to sell at all. It's that they're going to get the highest possible fee they can get for him because the best clubs in the world WANT this kid asap. And I'm sure they wouldn't mind enjoying his services for another season. They're hardly knocking on everyone's door looking for beggars.

You also need to realize that player + cash deals rarely happen these days. When was the last significant player plus cash deal you can remember? Last significant one I remember personally is 25m + Matic to Benfica for Luiz 6 years ago. You're fantasizing about a type of deal that doesn't happen often and with a player who's hardly a world beater. Won't happen mate.

Very valuable commodity, only one of, i.e Mbappe, multiples of clubs want the commodity, Monaco can hold out for highest price in auction style bidding, = a position of power as described

Edited May 2, 20179 yr by Osgood is Good