35 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

My personal favorite was Gary Neville complaining why Tuchel didn’t have anyone man marking Messi.

As if no manager in the last 20 years hasn’t tried that. Messi also scored a hattrick against Neville’s Valencia. Why did he have anyone man marking him?

I thought we did a pretty decent job keeping Messi nullified for the first hour. But once Argentina upped the attack in response to our goal we had no clue. And for some reason despite having an extra defender we kept leaving him unmarked on his out wide at that point. I think it was Lautaro Martinez who said that first hour England were making it difficult for them with the continual press and he felt England players just got exhausted. But if that was the case bring on subs so you can continue that approach through 90 mins.

I would love to know what Tuchel had planned for extra time if England had got there. Presumably we were playing for penalties? So rubbish.

42 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I thought we did a pretty decent job keeping Messi nullified for the first hour. But once Argentina upped the attack in response to our goal we had no clue. And for some reason despite having an extra defender we kept leaving him unmarked on his out wide at that point. I think it was Lautaro Martinez who said that first hour England were making it difficult for them with the continual press and he felt England players just got exhausted. But if that was the case bring on subs so you can continue that approach through 90 mins.

I would love to know what Tuchel had planned for extra time if England had got there. Presumably we were playing for penalties? So rubbish.

Messi seemed to go wide rather than central yet was still a threat with good crosses.

He should have made two subs say Rashford and Watkins with messages to hold a defensive line to stop going too deep.

Last night was definitely on Tuchel. Very disappointing, I really thought the Southgate days were behind us but looks like it’s not.

My biggest hope is that he will have learnt his lesson and go attacking for a second goal from now to on.

We simply must win the euros or at least reach the final and compete well. That’ll put us in good stead for the next World Cup.

Hopefully Cole Palmer will sort himself out, and we get a few more exciting players such as Dowman.

For me, the missing part of the jigsaw for England, in every tournament, is that we always seem to end up with 11 guys on the pitch who look as they're playing together for the first time.

When Argentina changed it up and brought on 3 or 4 subs after they went behind... it was like they'd been playing together all their lives.

That aside, TT let them off the hook... should have changed Kane and Rogers, brought on fresh legs and kept pressing and we might have done it.

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

I am surprised to see so many ex players and ex managers blaming Tuchel for this result. They of all people should know it's not easy to change players mentality once they have already decided to sit back and defend for whatever reason.

Players were all gassed, clear as day to see, so after we scored the players retreated and sat back. This wasn't an instruction from Tuchel evident by the fact that he kept the same system. If he wanted us to defend straight after he would have changed it straight away.

I blame him for keeping Kane on even when he was clearly gone which resulted in us having no out ball but everything else was in response to what the players had already been doing.

I blame the person who said PIckford had to go long at every opprtunity to Kane, who has never ever been a target man, even worse was to bring dan burn on with Tony and play Burn as the centre forward. Tuchel should go straight back to Germany please and not stop in England, unless its for a c0nnecting flight.

See Southgate being appointed England manager again.

30 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Messi seemed to go wide rather than central yet was still a threat with good crosses.

He should have made two subs say Rashford and Watkins with messages to hold a defensive line to stop going too deep.

Messi went wide on to Spence when he was done, he had cramp and was looked very leggy so Messi moved to attack him, double and tripled up on him. To combat that Tuchel erm....did nowt, not a thing.