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Can another manager do as well as JM?


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Can another manager match what JM has done?  

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I voted no, but I reckon I may have been hasty.

If we bring in a manager who isn't a yes man then perhaps. At the moment I can only see doom and gloom! Avram Grant is not the solution and maybe United and Fulham will prove this over the next week. Without wishing to appear a daft racist, any truth in the rumour Avram's religion prevents him from doing any work until this Sunday? Excellent.. well done there Roman. If I were Jose I don't think a better time could have been picked to walk out!!

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Assuming that Avram Grant is just a temporary appointment, the new manager proper could be in place before Christmas. By which time we could effectively be well out of the Premiership race. In which case there is no way in this world we'll win the title this year - which I think is a foregone conclusion anyway. In other words - NO. In his first full season, however, a lot of things could and very probably will happen. In other words, sit back and wait. Keep an open mind.

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I voted no.

His impact was immediate, the results started immediatley.

Just can t see any team responding/reacting to any manager as possitivley and as quickly as the Chelsea squad did to Jose.

If another manager is given enough time ie. a season or a season and a half then yes a top manager could match Jose's acheivments, but there are some departments where Jose is beyond any other manager.

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Can another manager win the PL twice, the Carling Cup twice and the FA Cup, as well as getting us to the last 4 in the CL twice - all in his first 3 years?

I'm going for no on this one icon_rolleyes.gif

oh and I didn't mention creating a team that broke the record for most points, fewest goals conceded and longest run of clean sheets in his FIRST year!

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I don't think the question should really be whether a new manager can match what Jose has achieved as that is comparing apples with pears. What Jose achieved was with a pretty different squad of players and against different squads in opposition.

The question should be more along the lines of 'Do you think another manager could do as well as Jose looking forward? ( i.e. with the current squad and the resources available to them against the current teams)'

To that question I answer 'yes' (although I don't Grant is that manager)

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I think (with the utmost respect) that the question is flawed. I understand your point, but I just think that the situation is deeper than good or bad.

On reflection this week I am now firmly of the opinion that Jose is not the manager now that he was when he first joined (at least he was not in his final months at Chelsea). Is he a good manager...sure. But the politics, pressure etc I think had affected his personna and ultimately the team and club as a whole.

So really it is a matter of what he could have achieved in the near future with his mindset this season, against what a new man with a fresh start could achieve without the politics, ego clashes and rucks.

If we get the right man in, with the right style of play that Roman wants and with financial backing...sure we will be at least as good, maybe better.

One thing is for sure, it will hurt us fans before it gets better. Players will leave, people will say bad things, reputations will get bruised. But I honestly truthfully do believe that we will go on to be bigger and better...as long as the fans do not turn on Roman, which I do see some signs of, and which frankly worries me. Without Roman there never would have been a Jose at Chelsea, let's not forget that.

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I voted yes, obviously.

However I wasn't considering the "3 seasons clausule". Can be done, will be incredibly difficult, but still can.

Get a Lippi or a Capello for imediate results (and possible future results too).

Get someone else/younger as a medium/long therm measure, and it's obviously acheavable.

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Assuming they are given a big transfer budget to make the side theirs.

And assuming he will be allowed to manage and make the football decisions. Frankly, I can't see that happening any more. We all laughed when the Glazers took over Manyoo - but it is still obviously Fergie who is very much in charge there. I'm usually a glass half-full person, but at last I'm beginning to see the thin end of a very long, thick wedge....

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I don't think any manager has joined a premier league club and won the league twice in his 1st 2 seasons - so no it won't happen again.

Nobody had ever that kind of money available to them,either.

I'm not knocking JM's accomplishments, they're quite remarkable but he had inherited a top quality squad that had finished second only a season before and was given unlimited budget to play with.

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I voted no, because I think the only manager who could perhaps do that would be Wenger and we ain't gonna get him.

The home record will go down in history - no-one will ever be able to equal or better that.

But can another manager win us some trophies and get us playing much better football, then the answer has to be a definite yes.

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I voted no, because I think the only manager who could perhaps do that would be Wenger and we ain't gonna get him.

The home record will go down in history - no-one will ever be able to equal or better that.

But can another manager win us some trophies and get us playing much better football, then the answer has to be a definite yes.

Wenger's never been able to put back to back titles together nibs, i think he has 3 in over ten years in the game, jose would have achieved that in half the time im not sure if there is a masive amount in there trophy count any way in england, any one got the details on it?

But i agree in general if wenger wernt at gooners and you knew what he was about id have him

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I don't think any manager has joined a premier league club and won the league twice in his 1st 2 seasons - so no it won't happen again.

Nobody had ever that kind of money available to them,either.

I'm not knocking JM's accomplishments, they're quite remarkable but he had inherited a top quality squad that had finished second only a season before and was given unlimited budget to play with.

Ranieri had that kind of money.l And the advantage of having been already managing the club for 3 or 4 years. He couldn't win it in his first season. Real Madrid threw money at it like it was going out of fashion but it didn't bring them success. As soon as Capello came in, after some of the big money names had gone, he won it.

It's not about tha money. It's about management. There are few other managers who are as good as Jose. So the real answer to this question is that it could be possible but fairly unlikely....and no chance with Grant.

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I don't think any manager has joined a premier league club and won the league twice in his 1st 2 seasons - so no it won't happen again.

Nobody had ever that kind of money available to them,either.

I'm not knocking JM's accomplishments, they're quite remarkable but he had inherited a top quality squad that had finished second only a season before and was given unlimited budget to play with.

Ranieri had that kind of money.l And the advantage of having been already managing the club for 3 or 4 years. He couldn't win it in his first season. Real Madrid threw money at it like it was going out of fashion but it didn't bring them success. As soon as Capello came in, after some of the big money names had gone, he won it.

It's not about tha money. It's about management. There are few other managers who are as good as Jose. So the real answer to this question is that it could be possible but fairly unlikely....and no chance with Grant.

Ranieri's old squad was largely irrelevant when RA came in, he made something like 14 signings and obviously needed a year to see how the team reacted and where he needed to fine tune things, which he was doing with the exit of marcel, melchiot, jimmy, gronk and his looking to put the finishing touches on what would have been a stunning team with a right midfielder to suit his system. I'd say he did *fairly* well in his first season having made 14 changes after the club changed...

Whatever- they kicked him out and the rest is (successful and good) history- well done.

We got a manager who was great in the situation he was presented with (which doesn't preclude that CR would have had success had he continued with his method) and who took that squad to great achievements. My point is, the man fit the scenario- now the squad is in a poor shape in my view and as Loz mentions; very inflexible. Is Grant the man to change it? What are his attributes and what exactly is a "technical director"? I would have been more happy with arnesen to tell you the truth (as interim)..

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