Entertaining, unlucky or unprofessional?

[Guest]

Yesterday was the first day we were exposed to the naivety of our new manager.

Yes, he has brought a more attack minded approach, which at times is pleasing on the eye, but his lack of knowledge of the opposition or professionalism was there for all to see.

Yesterday we created a lot of chances and should have been out of sight of Everton, but due to some dire finishing, some good defending and the lack of a decent final ball we found ourselves in a situation of having a slim lead going into the final stages of the match.

What would you do? Especially when you see the opposition manager take off Carsley, replace him with Gravesen (a holding player) and instruct Cahill to play in a more advanced role?

Our manager called Essien to the touch-line and gave him some instructions. Job done I thought, he's told Essien to either pick up Cahill or sit in front of the back-four alongside Mikel for the final 5 minutes of the game.

Less than a minute later Essien is charging forward, playing further up the pitch than Joe Cole. The ball goes straight up the other end and we finish the game level.

Grant's idea of defending is for the back four to sit just a few yards outside of their own box, which in itself invites pressure. As a result we defend deeper and deeper and cannot move forward as a unit, exposing the forwards as isolated figures without support. It started in the 2nd half at Wigan, continued for 90 minutes in Germany and was employed again toward the end of yesterdays game. After watching Shalke hit the bar and the post in the dying minutes surely this would be something the manager should address, or should we just ride our luck?

Managers are paid to make dicisions. Carvalho was hobbling around infront of the dug-out for abour 6-7 minutes, unable to run, before the dicision was made to take him off. This was just after Lampard shouted at the bench to do something!! When you are forced into a decision, failure to do so or act immedialtly shows a lack of leadership.

Some people, like our manager, will say 'That's football' but to me it looked like a complete lack of professionalism or lack of respect for our opponents. Martin Jol was recently sacked because 'it's a results business' Jose was apparently sacked because he didn't entertain enough, perhaps Roman should have bought Spur's, instead of trying to turn us into them!!!!! Is Avram paid to enterain or to get results? Are we no longer regarded as being in the 'results business'?

I mentioned recently that Grant will not win many 'pressure-cooker' games, by that I meant the 'BIG 3'. When it comes to a very thin dividing line sometimes small decisions, small tactical changes go along way to make a difference. If Grant finds it difficult to compete with the like of Moyes, I can't seeing him ever doing it against the likes of Fergie and Wenger.

After leaving the ground and retiring to the Sunday tabloids I find out he is about to become one of the highest paid managers in world football, it's not just comical, it goes some way to show what our chairman knows about the beautiful game.

Entertaining? I think unprofessional is more appropriate.

BLUENUT2

(aka BLUENUT)

[loz]

Bluenut

Not a response to your thread but this seemed the best way of asking the question. Why the change to Bluenut2 - just need to know if it is because of any problems you have encountered with your Bluenut account since we upgraded. If so can you let me know as it might be a problema affecting other people. Probably best to PM me otherwise this thread will get taken over by posts about it.

Cheers

Loz

[loz]

OK scrap that - Mod just told me he has already been in contact with you about it - well he has to be good for something doesn't he!

We'll get your old account up and running again - two Bluenuts on one forum - the horror

[Guest]

twice the fun

[evissy]

In some extent I agree with you and think you have a point there. There is unprofessionalism there. If you look at Barcelona and how they play when they are leading the game with only one goal, they still attack in the end and try to make it two, but there is a difference in knowing what to do and thinking of knowing what to do.

It is always sort of risky to play either way; pulling back with 5mins to go or not changing the style of play too much. OK, players do it in unconcious level towards the end of the game no matter what the coach says, but there is a choice to make no matter what. Barcelona have played similarly every year with Rijkaard and they know how to do it and they have the quality.

We on the other hand are in a changing phase, where we are seeking the more attacking style of play. We are not quite sure how it is going to look or work, but we are changing it all the same.

We have lot of players who have bloomed into their best play under Mourinho and it is wont change in one night.

I think we need these tougher games with Avram to show him that we are not changing as fast as it looks. We need to step a little bit back before we can go forward(did I just write that. sh*t I sound like an ass*ole). I think Avrams start has been little bit too easy to show him what our real level is.

This Everton game showed it. We are not ready to be aggressively attacking team right to the end. A player like Essien is used to stay back and protect our goal for many years now and now he suddenly tries to kill the game 89 mins played going forward like a crazy person.

Having said that, I think we are going the right way still. This was a minor setback we are only 5 points behind ManU and they are playing their best game at the moment.

I guess I'm trying to say that you can look this draw from many angles and all the answers are right. I prefer to look it from positive angle.

[Sofa Manager]

Managers are paid to make dicisions. Carvalho was hobbling around infront of the dug-out for abour 6-7 minutes, unable to run, before the dicision was made to take him off. This was just after Lampard shouted at the bench to do something!! When you are forced into a decision, failure to do so or act immedialtly shows a lack of leadership.

That is very accurate mate. It was bad. Especially because Carvalho was ordered (?) to make a statue impression on the midfield for a while.

That IMO undermines player's confidence on the leader.

[midlandblue]

Thank god we didn't lose, by the sounds of it some would have been calling for Grants head.

[Y_dizzie]

Barcelona have played similarly every year with Rijkaard and they know how to do it and they have the quality.

They know how to do what? You cant be consistent playing like that.

Barca was crap last year and lost to us in CL.

If your gonna play attacking football like that the players have to know where to position themselves, you cant just go headlessly attacking like Essien did prior to Evertons goal.

[Liam]

Thank god we didn't lose, by the sounds of it some would have been calling for Grants head.

Those posts have already been written midlandblue, just waiting the first defeat.

[BLUENUT]

I don't need a defeat to enforce my view, I've said from the outset he is not good enough to manage one of the top 4 clubs in this country, he will only take us backwards.

Yesterday's decision not to hang onto 3 valuable points was bad management, and for his explanation to be ''that's football' just goes to show why he won't win us anything.

Hopefully he is a make-weight and the real manager arrives in the summer. If not, why not just keep Ranieri?

*Edit*

As for the - 'some people are just waiting for us to lose arguement'

I NEVER want to see us lose, would never want us to lose to win money or even more petty, to prove a point. I take no enjoyment from watching us lose, as I also take no enjoyment watching us throw points away weither it be from bad finishing or bad management.

[ethicalstrategy]

Thank god we didn't lose, by the sounds of it some would have been calling for Grants head.

Those posts have already been written midlandblue, just waiting the first defeat.

Always best to brush over legitimate questions with a bit of bluster eh Liam?

We saw Carvalho kicking around injured in midfield for a good 5 minutes on sunday. He clearly wanted to come off. Essien covered for him, but the players were sorting it out for themselves on the pitch.

An isolated incident? I'm just making too much of it? OK. Let's go back to the Schalke match last week. Cech gets injured. It takes an age for anyone to get there to treat him and then when they do Cech is going ballistic at them as they don't seem able to give him what he wants.

Coincidence or lack of organisation and indecision?

[midlandblue]

or both?

[Liam]

Coincidence or lack of organisation and indecision?

If you look for problems ethicalstrategy you will certainly find them.

No one or no system is perfect, including the last coach.

Grant's done OK in my opinion, the predicted meltdown has not occured (yet in any case), the players appear up for it. I feel we're in a better position now than it was reasonable to hope for given the upheaval of an early season change of management.

[Chippy]

Everton only had the one chance?

I recon Grant thought we could keep going forward till the next morning and they wouldn't have scored

He got a bit over excited and went for goals, a mistake yes but the guy is learning and he is not gonna get everything right straight away,

If Essien running up the field had resulted in a goal we'd have all been happy, If Cahill had not of had the skill to get a shot like he did on target all would have been well.

If Drogba had of taken an earlier chance?

better to focus on the fact Grant knows a partnership of Haim and Alex is not great and maybe he was thinking Riccy was not badly hurt and could play on? unprofessional maybe but untill he gets to know the players he wont know how badly hurt they are by the look on their faces, Sh*t Drogs could be subbed 6 or 7 times a game for someone breathing on him.

we were all over Everton without really being sharp enough up front and thats not too bad for a team in transition.

I want a Grant Avatar (Mods help me out here)

and trust Bluenut to agree with Bluenut 2? thats all we need another Grant basher

[loz]

Do you mean avatar or smilie? An avatar I can get you in seconds, for a smilie I will call upon sexy assistance (no that isn't Mod!)

[Chippy]

Do you mean avatar or smilie? An avatar I can get you in seconds, for a smilie I will call upon sexy assistance (no that isn't Mod!)

Sorry Loz, yeah I mean smilie (Smilie and Avram dont quite go together well in the same sentance do they?) but who cares?

Thanks to Gem in advance if she can sort it, (hope you never meant Moos?)

It might not be the most used one on here I fear

[Jack]

I don't think the performances at Bolton, Wigan and Boro have been any more or less entertaining than during the Mourinho era. The home draws against Fulham and yesterday have been bad to watch from a supporters point of view. First and foremost we want to see the team play with authority, especially at home, win the game and THEN entertain. As I've said elsewhere, any fool could see that the game hinged on the first goal - after that we should have run the pants off a team that had 48 hours less than us to recover from our respective trips to Germany. Jose wouldn't have needed to say it - it would have been instinctive. Keep the ball, pass and move, kill their spirit and their legs and take the 3 points home. Instead we kept playing at the same tempo, the same formation, with the same objective - score a goal. It reminded me of England in Russia the other week. Needing a draw and 1-0 up, England should have taken Joey Cole or SWP off, dumped Frank in midfield, crowded the Russians out and won the game (or at the very least taken a point). Now they're waiting for no-hopers Israel, with nothing to play for, to take a point from Russia, in much the same way we are hoping Reading do us a favour tonight and take points off The Arse, and we will hope teans like Bolton can take points from Manyoo!!!

Entertaining - maybe so, if you don't feel that winning is the most important factor.

Unlucky - not in the slightest.

Unprofessional - wouldn't go that far, but it's obvious that A Farm Grunt isn't Jose; he doesn't have his tactical nous, he doesn't have the respect of the players, he doesn't have the authority required to lead the players, and (lets be honest) is probably the most boring man on the planet! If you want entertainment, fine. What a great end to a game, one that was on a knife-edge the whole 90 minutes. If you want to win things, cast your eyes north, my friends - to North London or the North-West of England, 'cos winning stuff is a thing of the past. We are in transition - players will come and go, formations will change, objectives will change. What will remain the same for the next couple of seasons will be idiots (Kenyon, Buck and Greenberg) telling us that Grunt is an improvement on Jose Mourinho!!!!!

f**k me, I just fell off my chair and pissed my pants!!!

If you hadn't guessed it I still stand by the FACT that getting rid of Jose was the most stupid decision made by a football club in living memory - sacking the double Premier League winner because you want 'entertaining football'! As they say, be careful what you wish for - the Everton, Manyoo, Arse, Liverfool, Spuds and Wet Spam fans were all entertained by our inability to win a game that was already won!

[Chippy]

agree with some of that obviously Jack but what you seem to ignore is the transition has just begun and to change a style of play without bringing players in in a short space of time is going to leave room for a few mistakes and things are not going to be straightforward.

your belief in Jose is admirable although I could not share it to the degree you do.

Jose never got everything right and in fact got quite a bit wrong, outwitted by Benetiz in the Champions league is a pain I will always remember and Jose's tactics were as much to blame for that as Avrams have been in any game so far.

Grant is as far as I can see a decent manager and without giving him time we will never know if he will be a good manager.

I say give him time but ffs dont expect a great first season, we might do better than we think that way.

(affix Avram smilie here)

[Jack]

agree with some of that obviously Jack but what you seem to ignore is the transition has just begun and to change a style of play without bringing players in in a short space of time is going to leave room for a few mistakes and things are not going to be straightforward.

your belief in Jose is admirable although I could not share it to the degree you do.

Jose never got everything right and in fact got quite a bit wrong, outwitted by Benetiz in the Champions league is a pain I will always remember and Jose's tactics were as much to blame for that as Avrams have been in any game so far.

Grant is as far as I can see a decent manager and without giving him time we will never know if he will be a good manager.

I say give him time but ffs dont expect a great first season, we might do better than we think that way.

(affix Avram smilie here)

Very sober and sensible view, Chippy. I know Jose wasn't perfect but he was as close to perfection as we have ever seen at The Bridge so I forgive him the mistakes, however I disagree about the CL losses - I don't really think losing to Liverfool by a dubious goal and then penalties could be classed as being "outwitted" by Benitez, but we'll agree to disagree on that. Yes the transition has just begun but the players are alrwady there - Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole, Carvalho the list goes on and on. I don't really see what Grunt can add to that to improve the squad. Over the next 12 months we will see Grunt's players arrive and a few (or a lot) of our top players leave - transition often leads to discontent and some of our real leaders will move on having felt close to Mourinho and now feeling a little disenchanted. Example - Drogba has again opened his mouth to criticism the fans for having a go at SWP for his poor crossing yesterday. Now I heard disappointment but very little outright criticism of the lad. In Jose's time Drogba would have been advised to keep his mouth shut (as he has promised to do a couple of times already this season but has failed to do!), and Jose himself would have taken the limelight, the attention and the criticism away from the players. Drogba has sain there is something broken in the club and he is right. We don't snipe at each other and criticise the fans if we have a happy house - Jose would have made it his objective to keep everyone happy so they could perform to their best, players and fans alike.

[Chippy]

agree with some of that obviously Jack but what you seem to ignore is the transition has just begun and to change a style of play without bringing players in in a short space of time is going to leave room for a few mistakes and things are not going to be straightforward.

your belief in Jose is admirable although I could not share it to the degree you do.

Jose never got everything right and in fact got quite a bit wrong, outwitted by Benetiz in the Champions league is a pain I will always remember and Jose's tactics were as much to blame for that as Avrams have been in any game so far.

Grant is as far as I can see a decent manager and without giving him time we will never know if he will be a good manager.

I say give him time but ffs dont expect a great first season, we might do better than we think that way.

(affix Avram smilie here)

Very sober and sensible view, Chippy. I know Jose wasn't perfect but he was as close to perfection as we have ever seen at The Bridge so I forgive him the mistakes, however I disagree about the CL losses - I don't really think losing to Liverfool by a dubious goal and then penalties could be classed as being "outwitted" by Benitez, but we'll agree to disagree on that. Yes the transition has just begun but the players are alrwady there - Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole, Carvalho the list goes on and on. I don't really see what Grunt can add to that to improve the squad. Over the next 12 months we will see Grunt's players arrive and a few (or a lot) of our top players leave - transition often leads to discontent and some of our real leaders will move on having felt close to Mourinho and now feeling a little disenchanted. Example - Drogba has again opened his mouth to criticism the fans for having a go at SWP for his poor crossing yesterday. Now I heard disappointment but very little outright criticism of the lad. In Jose's time Drogba would have been advised to keep his mouth shut (as he has promised to do a couple of times already this season but has failed to do!), and Jose himself would have taken the limelight, the attention and the criticism away from the players. Drogba has sain there is something broken in the club and he is right. We don't snipe at each other and criticise the fans if we have a happy house - Jose would have made it his objective to keep everyone happy so they could perform to their best, players and fans alike.

Jack

We will have to agree to disagree mate as I look on the loss to Liverpool as one of Jose's biggest mistakes, I dont mean the dubious Goal charade but the one where at home we failed to take our chances and away we never looked like creating any and looked like a team sitting 0-2 up and shutting up shop.

Lots of other instances but lots of great fightbacks and inspired substitutions to counter with.

all in all what I'm saying is judging Grant after the little time he has had, on the mistakes he has made and on the results we have had is far too early and I know that you would never want Chelsea to lose but it does seem like it would make it more comfortable when they do to blame Grant, this is just what it comes across to me like as I would support Atilla the Hun if he was in charge and would be just as upset if we lost under his leadership.

Even with little faith in the Manager (although my faith is growing) I want us to win in the same way I always have and if we are doing it with a manager unproven and unliked I will be just as happy as I think you and other doubters will be if it all go's well.

what happened here under Jose was a fairytale but without taking anything away from him the team was almost there when he came in, nobody said we won that Ranieri style when we won and nobody seemed to care that Claudio had put a great team together and been a dead man walking while Jose was touted as the next man.

Well I liked the Tinkerman and believe we would have won the Title had he stayed, his worst mistakes to me where hanging on to Jimmy too long and not playing Crespo enough and obviously the Monaco farce but he was probobly so wound up about what was happening that he tried ridiculas things in an importent game and got it badly wrong,

when you look back at the 1-2 result in the CL against Arsenal and the passion on the guys face the feeling that gave me was almost as good as winning the title the next year (almost )

Jack you know your football, do you really think Roman with his advisors has not thought hard and long about Grants qualifications? about the capabilities of Clarke and Cate? do you think the mans an idiot?

He and people he trusts must have faith in the man and thats good enough with the results so far to make me think he's worth y backing.

until he's had a season or at least till march I will give him rope enough before I start thinking about him hanging himself.

my personal hunch is he will surprise people and once Clark with his undoubted defensive nous Cate with his attacking flair and Grant get enough games and training sessions together so they know what each other wants let alone the players we will see a very good team and a

team that will entertain (I admit it, winning is not everything) and still win trophy's.

we are never going to agree but I know that if we do get it together and Challenge hard for the title (next season not this) and have a good run in the CL (I would love it to be this and believe its possible) then you will hopefully get right behind the man in charge.

Or if it all go's wrong and he has had a fair crack of the whip, I will be Quoting the anagramicly famous A farm Grunt as loud as the next man.

I will though give him plenty of time before I do that.

cheers

[Scott]

Do you mean avatar or smilie? An avatar I can get you in seconds, for a smilie I will call upon sexy assistance (no that isn't Mod!)

Sorry Loz, yeah I mean smilie (Smilie and Avram dont quite go together well in the same sentance do they?) but who cares?

Thanks to Gem in advance if she can sort it, (hope you never meant Moos?)

It might not be the most used one on here I fear

We already have a Grant smiley............>

[Chippy]

Do you mean avatar or smilie? An avatar I can get you in seconds, for a smilie I will call upon sexy assistance (no that isn't Mod!)

Sorry Loz, yeah I mean smilie (Smilie and Avram dont quite go together well in the same sentance do they?) but who cares?

Thanks to Gem in advance if she can sort it, (hope you never meant Moos?)

It might not be the most used one on here I fear

We already have a Grant smiley............>

Oh, I see what your'e saying

[abramovich]

Jack

We will have to agree to disagree mate as I look on the loss to Liverpool as one of Jose's biggest mistakes, I dont mean the dubious Goal charade but the one where at home we failed to take our chances and away we never looked like creating any and looked like a team sitting 0-2 up and shutting up shop.

Lots of other instances but lots of great fightbacks and inspired substitutions to counter with.

all in all what I'm saying is judging Grant after the little time he has had, on the mistakes he has made and on the results we have had is far too early and I know that you would never want Chelsea to lose but it does seem like it would make it more comfortable when they do to blame Grant, this is just what it comes across to me like as I would support Atilla the Hun if he was in charge and would be just as upset if we lost under his leadership.

Even with little faith in the Manager (although my faith is growing) I want us to win in the same way I always have and if we are doing it with a manager unproven and unliked I will be just as happy as I think you and other doubters will be if it all go's well.

what happened here under Jose was a fairytale but without taking anything away from him the team was almost there when he came in, nobody said we won that Ranieri style when we won and nobody seemed to care that Claudio had put a great team together and been a dead man walking while Jose was touted as the next man.

Well I liked the Tinkerman and believe we would have won the Title had he stayed, his worst mistakes to me where hanging on to Jimmy too long and not playing Crespo enough and obviously the Monaco farce but he was probobly so wound up about what was happening that he tried ridiculas things in an importent game and got it badly wrong,

when you look back at the 1-2 result in the CL against Arsenal and the passion on the guys face the feeling that gave me was almost as good as winning the title the next year (almost )

Jack you know your football, do you really think Roman with his advisors has not thought hard and long about Grants qualifications? about the capabilities of Clarke and Cate? do you think the mans an idiot?

He and people he trusts must have faith in the man and thats good enough with the results so far to make me think he's worth y backing.

until he's had a season or at least till march I will give him rope enough before I start thinking about him hanging himself.

my personal hunch is he will surprise people and once Clark with his undoubted defensive nous Cate with his attacking flair and Grant get enough games and training sessions together so they know what each other wants let alone the players we will see a very good team and a

team that will entertain (I admit it, winning is not everything) and still win trophy's.

we are never going to agree but I know that if we do get it together and Challenge hard for the title (next season not this) and have a good run in the CL (I would love it to be this and believe its possible) then you will hopefully get right behind the man in charge.

Or if it all go's wrong and he has had a fair crack of the whip, I will be Quoting the anagramicly famous A farm Grunt as loud as the next man.

I will though give him plenty of time before I do that.

cheers

Agree 100%. Well put Chippy.

Well, except for 'Claudio winning the league' part.

[BLUENUT]

Everton only had the one chance?

They only need 1 goal, we only had a 1 goal lead to defend.

I recon Grant thought we could keep going forward till the next morning and they wouldn't have scored

Well I didn't! If that's the case it was unprofessional or he didn't respect the opposition - again unprofessional.

He got a bit over excited and went for goals, a mistake yes but the guy is learning and he is not gonna get everything right straight away,

If Essien running up the field had resulted in a goal we'd have all been happy, If Cahill had not of had the skill to get a shot like he did on target all would have been well.

Essien didn't score, Cahill did 1-0 or 2-0 are both 3 points 1-1 isn't

If Drogba had of taken an earlier chance?

better to focus on the fact Grant knows a partnership of Haim and Alex is not great and maybe he was thinking Riccy was not badly hurt and could play on? unprofessional maybe but untill he gets to know the players he wont know how badly hurt they are by the look on their faces, Sh*t Drogs could be subbed 6 or 7 times a game for someone breathing on him.

Carvahlo had treatment infront of the dug-out, he couldn't run/walk! The whole of the MH stand could were shouting to get him off and could see he was injured, no need to see his face! Grant didn't make a dicision quick enough. Lets focus on the the fact that Grant knows Alex and Haim are not great then, with 5 minutes to go, why not stick Essien in front of them? Unprofessional? Yep!

we were all over Everton without really being sharp enough up front and thats not too bad for a team in transition.

Not in the last 5 minutes!

I want a Grant Avatar (Mods help me out here)

and trust Bluenut to agree with Bluenut 2? thats all we need another Grant basher

I actually thought BLUENUT2 had a point

Grant's honeymoon is wearing off and game by game we're seeing the 'new Chelsea' unveiled, or should that be the 'old Chelsea' returning?

I have to admire you confidence in the new manager though.

[Chippy]

Everton only had the one chance?

They only need 1 goal, we only had a 1 goal lead to defend.

Stating the obvious mate thanks for that, thing is we could have scored again and thats the way he chose to play it, if it had of worked, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I recon Grant thought we could keep going forward till the next morning and they wouldn't have scored

Well I didn't! If that's the case it was unprofessional or he didn't respect the opposition - again unprofessional.

the "lol" at the end meant it was a bit tongue in cheek, I couldn't guess what Grant was thinking but it may have had a bearing on the tactics in a small way.

He got a bit over excited and went for goals, a mistake yes but the guy is learning and he is not gonna get everything right straight away,

If Essien running up the field had resulted in a goal we'd have all been happy, If Cahill had not of had the skill to get a shot like he did on target all would have been well.

Essien didn't score, Cahill did 1-0 or 2-0 are both 3 points 1-1 isn't

Again stating the obvious but maybe as that argument is impossible to counter thats the best way to play it.

If Drogba had of taken an earlier chance?

better to focus on the fact Grant knows a partnership of Haim and Alex is not great and maybe he was thinking Riccy was not badly hurt and could play on? unprofessional maybe but untill he gets to know the players he wont know how badly hurt they are by the look on their faces, Sh*t Drogs could be subbed 6 or 7 times a game for someone breathing on him.

Carvahlo had treatment infront of the dug-out, he couldn't run/walk! The whole of the MH stand could were shouting to get him off and could see he was injured, no need to see his face! Grant didn't make a dicision quick enough.

You are probobly right here, the manager is human then, he made a mistake for 6/7 minutes he held out hope that his best defender might recover and carry on

Lets focus on the the fact that Grant knows Alex and Haim are not great then, with 5 minutes to go, why not stick Essien in front of them? Unprofessional? Yep!

Maybe unprofessional, maybe another goal for us would go some way to silencing the doubters and he is trying to fill some large shoes so wants to impress, again maybe a mistake and again I say he needs time.

we were all over Everton without really being sharp enough up front and thats not too bad for a team in transition.

Not in the last 5 minutes!

not an unusual event when you are 1-0 up, perhaps Marva had heard of the old attack is best form of defence tactic, see what I done there, a crafty play on Avrams name.

I want a Grant Avatar (Mods help me out here)

and trust Bluenut to agree with Bluenut 2? thats all we need another Grant basher

I actually thought BLUENUT2 had a point

Possibly, but I just think he agree's with everything you say:roll:

Grant's honeymoon is wearing off and game by game we're seeing the 'new Chelsea' unveiled, or should that be the 'old Chelsea' returning?

I like the look of the new Chelsea and expect better things, time will tell.

I have to admire you confidence in the new manager though.

Thanks I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt until they show me they dont deserve it, Grant has not done that nor anything like it, in fact he has done better than I thought he would at this stage.

Cheers