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And when will he f**k off... That is all

Pretty much all of this

Has always been a no from me. As close to an actually chelsea fan as we are going to get for a manager and bit by bit this club is sacrificing it's soul.

Paisley, clough, busby

Your right, anelka was grant in jan. When Carlo came in the first time one of the stated benefits was that he doesn't get involved in transfers (based on milan) so regardless of Torres being a club buy, Carlo has always worked that way

That's not true at all, Torres, Luiz, I think anelka but can't be sure, ramires,

There is some tosh here and some history rewriting, Fergus ons 3rd season in charge of United was a nightmare, no where near competing for any trophy. After 5 years of no success he hit the mother load, time was right for a dominant force and United filled the gap. And let's not pretend that it was then pure gold laden years.. In 2005/6 United fans where calling for fergies head on mass as the crashed out of the CL group stages... Then came a further 4 league titles and a CL .. So the players have become complaincent, Jose has made it clear he wants to try and turn over the team.. New players new motivation

The exciting thing is it's going to take a little longer this season to achieve success target one :)

I'm no wordsmith but I don't understand what you have written there

Keep the faith...

Dude, we sacked a club legend who had just won us the CL and was 4 points of the top to employ the guy who called us a bunch of plastics... This is chelsea, where anything can happen

My breaking point is relegation, if we get relegated i'm on bored with sacking the manager. (I'm sure he'd just quit) Anything shy of relegation I say we go again next season. At that point if things are still the same in terms of form and performances I would say its time to consider his position, but that is a year from now. Why so patient? I'm pre-prem (many of you are) and I hate this modern day model where by new is always better and short term fixes are the answer. People say the Fergi situation is not re-realistic any more, it is if you make it so, if we choose to believe in a guy who quite frankly is considered one of the best managers in the world and has won us 3 prem titles, in 5 full seasons. 3 league cups an FA cup and some wonderful memories, both in success and bitter failure. I don't think we will ever see a manager that takes defeat as personally as we do but Jose is as close as it gets. When players play badly we say form is temporary, class permanent. When a manager has a bad time of it we say sack him.. We are going to get the youth debate, why not give it a go. The last team to really incorporate youth products in to a title winning team would have been united with the class of 92 and Arsenal with Cole in 2004 (one player) It's not going to happen with the next guy, get over it. I'm not saying it can't be done. I personally believe it can, I'm saying it won't be done.

More then a few games, he deserves the same kind of patience shown to costa

I'm with you but Im accepting it will probably happen

45 miniutes to save the Job, i'd go kenedy and remy now. Other wise may as well say it now. Thanks for the great times Jose, truth is the club have felt a little soulless for a while now so it's not going to hurt as much as the first time

Hmm, interesting that you consider it an average return. Would you throw Carlo in that mix. As Milan manager in 8 years he won one league title with a team containing, a prime sheva, Nesta, Maldini, cafu, gatuso, pierlo, kaka, pipo . Etc etc. He did win two CL titles but also lost a 3-0 half time lead. If you consider the 2 CL titles enough then your saying you value the CL over the title? Would that be accurate? Me personally I prefere the league. There are many real fans that didn't want Jose to go. They hadn't won the league title in 4 years and haven't since so it can't be as easy as it seems I guess. They did have a very poor season by there slandered the year after and I guess we don't know if Jose would have been able to turn it around had he had another season, the only way to truly know is for us to show a bit if faith and give him another season no matter what, (relegation aside)

Im sick to the back teath of PSG...

I'm not sure what the best way to motivate the team is, showing them the league table should get them up but it could also put pressure on them they arnt used to handling, we already see them trying to constantly score the perfect goal, a deflected goal counts just as much. Going to finish work, head to the gym to relax before the game as am very nervous for this one

We need maximum points from now till new years. Topping the group gave Jose some time but it feels like it was one game worth of time. Tonight is must win.

Every modern except ranars should be sacked

Have a good feeling about tomorrow, Really think we are about to go on a run... (Awating the quoting when it all goes pete tong )

Your 100% right that there is an agenda against you.. I wander why

He didn't over play. Ramires is a limited player, not a bad player but limited with very occasional moments of unexplained magic. What he did last night was not try and take on a whole team and run himself down blind allys, he didn't get caught dwelling on the ball and have his poor balance exposed. He moved it on quickly and effectively, he tracked back at speed. By my math one Matic and one Ramires dont quite = one Makalele but then it's still closer then Fabregas in there. Always helps when Willian and Oscar are throwing there weight about

The way he took his goal last night is the main thing missing from his game, it's what sets the top players apart from him, he has all the moves, skills and natural attributes but he gets that brain block in the most vital of moments under time pressure. yesterday, 1 touch and wollop, no keeper stopping that

He was annoyed at him self for not scoring, I guess Eden is as fustrated as any of us. But he was suppreerbb last night, in every aspect, taking on players, making the correct passes, driving in to the penalty area, and working his ass of. As iv'e said already, on two occasions he made important interceptions on the edge of our own box. Some one who is p!ssed with Jose is not covering Ivan's ass at right back so effectively!