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Sadly I have to agree. Would have loved him to succeed but in the end his lack of experience was apparently becomming obvious with the players if it is true that he wasn't offering up tactics but relying on individuals to go on the pitch and play their game with minimal instructions. Under those conditions, players will often take the safer option and pass square or backwards.

Sadly, the difference was the Southampton manager had the experience of dealing with downturns in his past. Frank simply needs more experience learning elsewhere.

Sadly, the difference was the Southampton manager had the experience of dealing with downturns in his past. Frank simply needs more experience learning elsewhere.

Sadly, the difference was the Southampton manager had the experience of dealing with downturns in his past. Frank simply needs more experience learning elsewhere.

I would think that most people here want Frank to succeed but what we really want at the moment is a clear sign that he knows how to get the best out of the players he has. Again, I would think that most people here understand they have not seen that same sign in the last few weeks.

Sorry but I have to disagree. The story of the season PL is that we haven't beaten any good team in the PL nor looked like doing so.

I would think that most people here want Frank to succeed but what we really want at the moment is a clear sign that he knows how to get the best out of the players he has. Again, I would think that most people here understand they have not seen that same sign in the last few weeks.

Apparently Werner chose Chelsea over Liverpool due to Frank's persuasion.

I would think that most people here want Frank to succeed but what we really want at the moment is a clear sign that he knows how to get the best out of the players he has. Again, I would think that most people here understand they have not seen that same sign in the last few weeks.

I agree with every point you make and understand where you are coming from. 
Yes, it is quite possible that the frustration with most of the fans may come from the fact that the media tends to overhype certain clubs before the season and if things do not go as predicted from those "expert pundits", fans are drawn back into reality and start to complain or call for the axe. 
I will be very honest here and will tell you that I was not overhyping our squad after all of the signings and was not expecting any major trophy this season. I knew we were building a squad for the future and was expecting that we might be looking at silverware come next season. Even after we spent the 200 mill, I considered cementing Top 4 with an exciting style of play and a decent run in the CL as a success. Wining either of the Cartoon Network Cups was considered a bonus. 
I'll admit that we had a nice run of games, 17 undefeated if I remember correctly. But even during that run, we could see that we had some issues that needed to be addressed and when we started playing the better sides in the League, up until the game v Arsenal, where I think it all went to sh*t, we saw that we were nowhere near what was expected from us in the beginning of the season. Yes, the guys calling for a change, myself included, might be overreacting here because we became the laughing stock of the media, but isnt that the case with all of the fans in the world? I think its only natural, even you were a fan of Yeovil Town, you are expecting to see your team winning games in a convincing manner, especially when the team had a solid financial backing the summer before the season. So, yes, I agree it might a bit immature, over reacting or anyway you wish to call it, especially when we are always talking about a dynasty by letting one manager work his magic. However, those in favour of Frank staying, should also get our point of view as to why we want this change to happen sooner than later.
And no, I will not be quoting some bullsh*t articles and stats that is going around. I dont give a rats as* about a Top 4 finish if this was just a transition to greater times in the future. No, what I am looking for is signs from Frank that he has what it takes to get us out. I completely agree that a change will not come overnight or after 1 workout in the training grounds. It will happen gradually but Frank needs to start doing something different in the coming games so that he can show he has the ability to get over with this. 
We want to see something different from numerous pointless crosses in the box like we have a prime Jan Koller at the end of them who instead of Tammy or Giroud. We want a more direct and attacking football rather than those infinite passes in our area which lead to a slow build up and giving the opposition the chance to regroup and nullify us. We have Timo, CHO and Puli who are pacey and can punish the opposition as long as we decided to play to their strengths. We have a perfect example from the games against Leicester and the guys here noticed it. Kai and Timor were making runs forward and were looking for the ball but no one was bothering to pass it to them. We want back to the slow build up from our are and we already had 11 men defending and we were doomed. I can go on but I think you will get my point and is this something to blame the players or manager for? 
If we need a cold shower, as I said before, put the seniors on the bench and play with kids in the next PL fixture. And I do not mean having 2 or 3 players in the squad. I am referring to picking the entire U-19s squad and play them against Burnley. If that will make the players put in work and effort, I am totally fine with it. There is not a lot I am looking for, I just want to see signs that Frank is trying to turn things around and is looking for something different. But ever since our dip started, we have been seeing the same old with no desire for a change, no drive, the same team selection, etc. 
If he is able to turn this around and salvage this season, I will apologize to the entire forum again and then zip my hole into oblivion without speaking a word about Frank and his place as a manager. 

I appreciate the thought but if I was halfway through my painting and it was obvious to all and sundry that you could see hairy legs and a pair of testicles you would be a bit concerned about the final offering.

My view always has been that patience is all good if the projected end product is something you want to see.
To use an analogy if you were an artist and I came to you to do a painting for me and you told me it was going to be Emma Watson naked I'll be patient, tell me it's going to be Rafa Benitez naked and I'd take a restraining order out on you.

It is not just the defeats that are the issue, it is the manner of the defeats. A few weeks ago I read that due to the congested fixture list, there had been no time on the practice pitch to prepare the team for a particular match. In the last two weeks Chelsea have had no midweek games, played a second team against Morcambe and yet I have seen zero improvement in style or tactics. When I saw Chelsea were playing 3 in midfield with Mount and Havertz against Leicester I had absolutely no hope of seeing a good result. What did they do in training in the free weeks?

United are higher in the League not because of any tactical genuis but because their individual players particularly in midfield can score goals time and time again. Chelsea's midfield?

It is not just the defeats that are the issue, it is the manner of the defeats. A few weeks ago I read that due to the congested fixture list, there had been no time on the practice pitch to prepare the team for a particular match. In the last two weeks Chelsea have had no midweek games, played a second team against Morcambe and yet I have seen zero improvement in style or tactics. When I saw Chelsea were playing 3 in midfield with Mount and Havertz against Leicester I had absolutely no hope of seeing a good result. What did they do in training in the free weeks?

One thing I’m really concerned about is that we’ve been in awful form for a while but Frank hasn’t even tried to change anything. The only notable change I can think of is Rudiger in for Zouma, which doesn’t make sense really.
I’m losing hope now, purely based on what I said. If he doesn’t try to change anything next few weeks then I guess he is making his own bed. He needs to wake up and do something about it.
I don’t want him sacked, I want him to change something. I’m not sure he will.

One thing not highlighted enough is that he doesn't deal with players well, why did Tomori not get any chances all of a sudden? Zouma in form and dropped for no reason. Alonso has a small misdemeanor and he got frozen out completely, say what you want about him but he's better than Emerson, a goal threat and a free kick specialist but all of his qualities blacklisted with an over reaction.
Giroud was in form coming off the last season and he was benched so Tammy can improve on the pitch.
Then you have positioning issues, Werner persisted on the wing for too many games, ruining his confidence. Kante being an 8 then a 6, playing well then making him an 8 again at the expense of performance. Mason in my opinion is best as a number 10 and he was moved back to be a workhorse. Kai Havertz is another essay.
I don't think I've listed everything as I'm tired from racking my brain, but there is quite a huge list of mismanagements before we even go into tactics, he's not ready for the job and we can't afford to let him make the mistakes here when he can do it somewhere else in the process of cutting his teeth.

Already giving me nightmares!

I'm dreading that Atletico game if he's in charge. 

No point have any top class players if you don't have a really decent coach.

The players are not that bad, they are not being setup to play properly to their strengths and FL has no ideas of how to change things.

Sorry, not the same. Do your checking on Pep and find out what he did in Mexico.

Sorry, not the same. Do your checking on Pep and find out what he did in Mexico.

Sorry, not the same. Do your checking on Pep and find out what he did in Mexico.

On what evidence are you saying this?