August 24, 200915 yr what price jt? for that matter, what price mancienne? City are a joke it is a ridiculous fee theyve paid isnt it. espcially when you start thinking of defenders in this league who are better than him.
August 24, 200915 yr I think he's a decent player, but £24m? If you have a look at some of our transfers since Roman has been at the helm, throwing money around like confetti at the beginning, I don't really think we can critisise another clubs spending, those in glass houses and all that. I think he'll prove a better long-term signing than Robinho or Tevez. I honestly think he's one of the best centre halves in the PL, and is the 3rd best English centre half behind JT and Ferdinand. How will Moyes use the £24m, it's a shame the likes of Everton have to sell players like Rooney and Lescott because they just don't have the financial clout of the big four, or even new kids on the block, Man City. It's the way of the world I suppose. Edited August 24, 200915 yr by BLUENUT
August 24, 200915 yr I agree with Bluenut, we cant really talk about transfer fees. 30 million on a 30 year old Sheva makes less sense than 24 million on a 26 year old Lescott.
August 24, 200915 yr Author take your point regarding sheva and swp, but look at the squad we have now...many of our big signings are still there and have won us titles and almost the champs league...didier, essien, carvalho, cech, a cole, joe cole...players like malouda, anelka and mikel are proving their worth too...when you look at way city have got for their money, you can see them struggling to get in the top four
August 24, 200915 yr What I found stupid was that they offered £28million originally for JT. That's like the biggest under-evaluation in the history of evaluations.
August 24, 200915 yr Not even worth half that price. One overrated defender who has earned some credit for his quite impressive goalscoring record for Everton. As a defender he is rather average.
August 24, 200915 yr Ronaldo must be worth £500m+ then! Jagielka - £35m!! Still, we over-paid for a many in the past, when you've got the money and you want the player - why not?
August 24, 200915 yr Ronaldo must be worth £500m+ then! Jagielka - £35m!! Still, we over-paid for a many in the past, when you've got the money and you want the player - why not? That all?
August 24, 200915 yr I don't really rate Lescott that highly. Sure he's good, but it's not as if he's one of the best in the league. He's certainly not £24m good.
August 24, 200915 yr I agree with Bluenut, we cant really talk about transfer fees. 30 million on a 30 year old Sheva makes less sense than 24 million on a 26 year old Lescott. Well, Sheva was 29 at the time, and, if we are being completely honest with ourselves was still one of the world's top finishers. Lescott is now 27, and IMO, is part of a system at Everton that makes him look better than he is. Not saying it wont be a success for City, just saying he might not be quite as solid as in the past. The real joke on us was SWP for 20m GBP. Back then it was either SWP or Joaquin we would get as a winger, and seeing how Joaquin's career has gone since then, I would still much rather have had him than SWP. For 24m City have got the man they want. If Lescott was 22, this would be alot smarter a transfer, but at the end of the day, money is meaningless. If Hughes says "i want that player" and the board just decide he is too expensive, then you have an unneeded rocking of the boat. If Al-Nayan is sitting on 35 billion, it is but a drop in the ocean. Hopefully, City now have a good enough squad that they wont be buying next summer, and the market doesnt become incredibly distorted because of all the spending going on. Edited August 24, 200915 yr by TheWestwayWonder
August 24, 200915 yr He is if someone wants him bad enough and is willing to pay that sum, I personally think he is good, but not that good.
August 24, 200915 yr Author when i started this topic the main reason was really to compare what city were offering Chelsea for JT, England captain, top draw defender compared with lescott, average defender for average team
August 24, 200915 yr If you look it from Moyes' point of view he is worth every penny of that 24mill. I hope Moyes has time to sign reinforcements before the windows shuts. I feel sorry for him. Looks like a tough season for Everton.. Not a fan or anything but I like the way Moyes sees the game and builds his squad. From neutral point of view 24mill is something we used to pay and little more. He is a good defender but not 24mill-good. I hope city is doing us favour of being the big spender to take some heat off us.
August 24, 200915 yr If you have a look at some of our transfers since Roman has been at the helm, throwing money around like confetti at the beginning, I don't really think we can critisise another clubs spending, those in glass houses and all that. Did we really throw it around like confetti at the beginning? Here's the list of who we bought at the begiining and the prices we paid for them: Glen Johnson £3m initially then up to £6m after set appearances Geremi £6.9m Bridge £7m Duff £17m Veron £15m (ok I'll give you that one) Mutu £15.8m Smertin £3.5m Crespo £16.8m Makelele £16.6m With the exception of Veron I'd say they were all fair prices even Mutu who was top class when he joined us. Crespo and Makelele were absolutely top drawer and Duff was one of the best in his position at the time. I wouldn't say that was throwing money around like confetti at that time, it was sound business rebuilding a tired and ageing squad. The throwing around of confetti started when Jose cam and we started paying over £20m regularly
August 24, 200915 yr Author but geezer, even those £20m+ signings were top draw apart from swp and sheva and we all know jose didn't have much of a say in the latter...no-one can have any doubts about the merits of spending the case on didier and essien and carvalho has proved a snip at £19.85m too... you have kind of backed up my point too...when we splashed big bucks, we were generally buying top quality, even the ones that didn't work out, they were still highly rated players at the time...city are buying from the second tier, even robinho made a minimal impact at madrid...tevez good player, but used as a sub mostly by utd, that must say a lot, while adebayor is a poor man's drogba...barry a poor man's makelele etc
August 24, 200915 yr Author but geezer, even those £20m+ signings were top draw apart from swp and sheva and we all know jose didn't have much of a say in the latter...no-one can have any doubts about the merits of spending the case on didier and essien and carvalho has proved a snip at £19.85m too... you have kind of backed up my point too...when we splashed big bucks, we were generally buying top quality, even the ones that didn't work out, they were still highly rated players at the time...city are buying from the second tier, even robinho made a minimal impact at madrid...tevez good player, but used as a sub mostly by utd, that must say a lot, while adebayor is a poor man's drogba...barry a poor man's makelele etc
August 24, 200915 yr Considering we spent £20m on Carvalho, I can safely say that Lescott is noway near worth £24m...Riccy is twice the player Lescott is. Off the top of my head I can say Alex, Gallas, King, Hangeland, Upson and possibly Bassong and Toure are better players that Lescott. That's barring the 'elite' defenders. Either way, I think we're the last set of fans who should be outraged by this type of spending. We had our transfer market blunders and so will Man City. I just take solace from the fact that while we managed to sign the likes of Drogba, Anelka, Essien, Makelele and Ballack, they've been confined to signing Adebayor, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, De Jong and Tevez. Each of our players would walk onto any team, while their players have tried and failed at top clubs!
August 25, 200915 yr Considering we spent £20m on Carvalho, I can safely say that Lescott is noway near worth £24m...Riccy is twice the player Lescott is.Off the top of my head I can say Alex, Gallas, King, Hangeland, Upson and possibly Bassong and Toure are better players that Lescott. That's barring the 'elite' defenders. Either way, I think we're the last set of fans who should be outraged by this type of spending. We had our transfer market blunders and so will Man City. I just take solace from the fact that while we managed to sign the likes of Drogba, Anelka, Essien, Makelele and Ballack, they've been confined to signing Adebayor, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, De Jong and Tevez. Each of our players would walk onto any team, while their players have tried and failed at top clubs! Carvalho is absolutely class! When there were murmurs about him leaving and we were chasing Terry I wish we had switched our attention to Carvalho. Every City fan I have spoken to knows Lescott is worth no where near 22 million but thats what we have to pay for players that we want. Unfortunatly we arent at the level you were when you signed the likes of Ballack, Drogba so we have to go for the players we have done. I wouldnt call Adebayor a failure at Arsenal, he scored 3 less goals than Torres over 2 years. Tevez scored vital goals for the scum and they offered the full amount to keep him. De Jong will hopefully become a truly top player. He bossed the Holland friendly and he was being looked at by Barca which is why we paid an extortionate fee. Personally I think our front three is one of the best in the league, if not the best but Anelka and Drogba is looking very good.
August 25, 200915 yr In all seriousness, what about Bramble? Where would you rank him in comparison to Lescott?
August 25, 200915 yr In all seriousness, what about Bramble?Where would you rank him in comparison to Lescott? Based on premiership performances, they don't deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence in all honesty.
August 25, 200915 yr Based on premiership performances, they don't deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence in all honesty. Because Bramble has saved Wigan's arse on many occasions (but that is generally overlooked in favour of some pretty rare but well-publicised howlers) whereas an average Lescott has been made to look good by a good Everton defence?
