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it just wouldnt be right if i didnt reply. Steve Gerrard is the superior all round player. Lampard is great if you can accomodate another 2 players into the team to do the things he can't be arsed doing, like defending, tackling, closing down players etc, but if you want a man who can do EVERYTHING to a very high standard, there is only one choice.

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it just wouldnt be right if i didnt reply. Steve Gerrard is the superior all round player. Lampard is great if you can accomodate another 2 players into the team to do the things he can't be arsed doing, like defending, tackling, closing down players etc, but if you want a man who can do EVERYTHING to a very high standard, there is only one choice.

Riddle me this then

Why is it every time this player who allegedly can 'do EVERYTHING to a very high standard' under performs for England (which is a very regular occurrence) Liverpool fans always claim it is because he is being played out of position to accommodate Frank.

Seems like a counter argument to your claim.

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it just wouldnt be right if i didnt reply. Steve Gerrard is the superior all round player. Lampard is great if you can accomodate another 2 players into the team to do the things he can't be arsed doing, like defending, tackling, closing down players etc, but if you want a man who can do EVERYTHING to a very high standard, there is only one choice.

Lamps works his nuts off and is the epitome of a box-to-box midfielder. It's beyond belief that anyone can claim he doesn't do his share of "defending, tackling, closing down players etc". Have you ever seen any Opta stats on Lampard? He's statistically as good as any player in the world. I know that stats aren't everything but they confirm his unmatched workrate. Gerrard's stats show he doesn't contribute as much as Lampard does, and I'm not just talking about his goalscoring.

Gerrard is an incredibly talented player. More naturally talented than Lamps. But it's wrong to belittle Lampard by making stuff up.

Sorry I haven't got a link but someone will have.

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Lampard is a cog in Chelsea's midfield machine. But Gerrard is the Liverpool midfield machine by himself. (At least, he used to be when he used to play in central midfielder for them.)

Liverpool fans look at that and see that as proof of Gerrard's superiority. They see Gerrard doing everything. Sometimes that includes doing things that Lampard doesn't do, or more accuratley things that Lampard rarely does.

I look at the same game and see the same things Gerrard is doing all over the place and I see it as a flaw. Sure Gerrard can do everything, but wouldn't his team be better off if he let his teammates play as well? That is where Lampard is better than Gerrard IMO.

But it isn't really a valid comparison anymore. Most of my criticism of Gerrard as a midfielder comes from things he was doing a year or more ago. Gerrard is no longer a central midfielder for his club, but rather more an attacking right sided midfielder. Even when Sissoko got injured Gerrard continued to play wide right and it was that renown midfield maestro Bolo Zenden who came into the centre of midfield instead. It was only when Zenden was injured as well that third choice Steve got a run in the middle of the park. Not content with the impending return of Sissoko and Zenden, Liverpool chose to further strengthen their existing contingent of midfielders by signing Mascherano. Given their complete lack of anybody else of any quality who can play wide that says a lot about where they see Gerrard's future. If they saw him as a central midfielder then surely they would have tried to use those resources to get a quality winger instead.

This thread really should be comparing Joe Cole and Steven Gerrard. Both used to be central midfielders, but who now play more attacking roles out wide - where they have more freedom to display their natural talents, and if they fcuk up it doesn't hurt their team as much.

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It's beyond belief that anyone can claim he doesn't do his share of "defending, tackling, closing down players etc".

He IS afterall a Liverpool fan, so it's impossible he's been able to watch Lampard as much as we do. It is just unfortunate that he would choose to make ludicrous claims based on something he clearly has no knowledge of. But we're all biased to some degree.

Cheers,

Butch

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it just wouldnt be right if i didnt reply. Steve Gerrard is the superior all round player. Lampard is great if you can accomodate another 2 players into the team to do the things he can't be arsed doing, like defending, tackling, closing down players etc, but if you want a man who can do EVERYTHING to a very high standard, there is only one choice.

How could i guess that RedRob would have his two pennies worth on this? It's like waving the Red flag to the proverbial bull.

It's obvious to every true football fan that they are both World Class players, and they both have very different qualities.

My personal opinion would be, that if push came to shove, and only one could be picked for England, then Lampard would bring consistency to the team, but Gerrard would bring the ability to deliver that something 'special' from time to time.

The fact is, you can't choose between the two. Not even as a neutral fan. And my point is, nor should you have to!

They are both top players, and with a top manager, both should play effectively in the one formation. To drop one for the other would be sacrilage, and would only be highlighting the manager's inability to coach and manage a team.

To say 'both can't play together' is just a piss poor excuse, and if it happened, would be a huge let down on the rest of the country.

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It's beyond belief that anyone can claim he doesn't do his share of "defending, tackling, closing down players etc".

He IS afterall a Liverpool fan, so it's impossible he's been able to watch Lampard as much as we do. It is just unfortunate that he would choose to make ludicrous claims based on something he clearly has no knowledge of. But we're all biased to some degree.

Cheers,

Butch

much much too sensible Butch.

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Midfielders are judged mainly on their ability to score goals and make them, unless you are the holding player, which these two clearly are not. Therefore you can rely fairly heavily on statistics for goals scored and assists to make a case. Before last weekend?s fixtures the most relevant statistics (from the Premiership) were as follows:-

Top Scorers - Drogba (15) Ronaldo (14) Van Persie (11) Doyle, McCarthy, Rooney, Yakubu (10) Lampard, Henry, Kanu, Kuyt (9)

Leading Assists - Fabregas (10) Lampard (9) Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney (7) Berbatov, Crouch, Speed, Van Persie (6) Davies, Gerrard, Henry and another eight players (5)

We can all interpret these figures using a certain amount of bias, but those who believe that they reflect favourably on Stevie G in a straight comparison with Lamps will have their work cut out convincing the vast majority of football fans, whichever team they support.

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I think too many people understimate Frank's pure talent. That goal on the show reel against Bayern in the 05 CL quarter is absolutely sublime. There are no more than a handful of players around today who can control the ball like that in that situation with the same composure. In fact I would go as far to say there are perhaps only 3 or 4, as one who prominently comes to mind plays no longer. What the reel also doesn't show is Frank's beauty against Barca in the CL last year. While we debate so much Frankie's work rate and power vs Stevie's swashbuckling performances, let's not over look how purely sublime the boy in blue can really be.

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Ok, the opponent in this clip is only Wycombe, but the way he takes control of the ball, calm and cool as you like, doesn't rush it and takes his time to flick it over the defender and then flicks it in to the goal. That's a goal most strikers would be envious of. Goals are not the only thing that midfielders need to do, but I think that's another example of his skill with the ball. He may not be a naturally gifted player like Ronaldinho, but I think he is better than what most non-Chelsea fans give him credit for.

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I like Gerrard i think he's class. But Lampards value over the course of a season is priceless. He is between 8/10 or 10/10 every week, and i mean every week. He never misses a game, and scores 20 a season from midfield -unbelieveable. The stats win it for Lampard.

JM is one of the best managers in the world and he wanted Gerrard(so did i, although now Essein is here I'm MORE than happy). So those idiots who say they cant play together need their heads tested. Stick Hargreaves behind them for England(i know he's no Maka), and let them play.

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Yeah Scott Parker could do the job, much better than Carrick anyway. But Hargreaves was excellent in the world cup so i think you have to give him a chance when he comes back from injury. I feel Parker's best chance would be to get in the side now and try and keep it, but Maclaren seems to be looking at Barton at the moment and if United sign Hargreaves, thats it Maclaren will look no further.

I mean with our 2 left backs injured how did he pick Phill Neville instead of say Garath Barry or even Leighton Bainess from the under 21's for the last friendly. Surely thats what friendlies are for. Anyway we are getting of the point

LAMPARD,LAMPARD,LAMPARD.

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