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yeah don't get me wrong- I think stuff like corbyn getting criticised for not singing the anthem is bollocks, but if you do something deliberately provocative like ostentatiously turning away then people are going to be unhappy.

 

I don't know anything of mcclean but by most accounts he isn't the brightest lad. maybe he doesn't recognise that by standing there in silence it doesn't mean he endorses every action taken by british soldiers or decision made by those who command them. perhaps he could wear a white poppy which would show respect for all who suffer as a result of military action but probably couldn't be perceived in a political way. 

 

I think it is quite an interesting issue in some ways. I wonder if anyone tells the players what the poppy represents and whether they give them any options. players (and people) shouldn't be forced to do anything, but I think that it would be good for kids to be educated about these matters. when I was in school (not that long ago, i'm less than 2 years older than mcclean) I was told two things about politics: 1, "don't vote conservative" (no explanation or elaboration given) and 2, "you wear a poppy to remember people died in the war". I think that is a huge failing of the education system.

Another issue regards the poppy on clubs shirts is, its because the clubs involved then auction the shirts to raise money for various charities like the Royal British Legion who help ex service men & women from all ages who have fallen on hard times, i havent an issue with McClean not wearing a poppy i can understand his reason's not that i agree with them though.

Maybe he should sign for Celtic where they also dont have poppy's on their shirts, he can join in with their Green Brigade group in demonstrating about "no blood stained poppy's on our shirt" as well.

 

In certain jobs in this country whether people like it or not you have to pledge allegiance to the Queen, so Corbyn is out of touch if he thinks he cant.

 

Schools still have poppy collections, maybe the children buying them should be taught what they actually represent, i dont know if they are or not to be honest. 

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I think it's still in the German curriculum that all pupils must visit a concentration camp site. I think it's good that they don't try and airbrush history. In our case, I think we are just lazy teaching history.

Its all down to various governments & the schools minister mate, there was a story a while back where ex amount of kids had never heard of Winston Churchill, i find that depressing seeing as he is an important figure in our modern history.

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If you detest a nation so much that you cant wear a poppy because of them and you cant even face their flag when it's raised and the anthem sung, then you've lost any credibility and moral justification when you start supporting that nation through living there, supporting their economy and paying their taxes.  Not to mention being an ambassador of one of their major financial exports, the BPL.

 

Kind of like a McDonald executive claiming they could never support the fast food industry because of their health views whilst cashing in those cheeseburger funded cheques, no?

 

If he wasn't willing to ignore his morals for money, he'd be playing football in a league that doesn't make him financially support a nation he appears to hate.

 

Right up there with Russel Brand in terms of picking and choosing what part of his moral outrage to follow (surprise, they choose to ignore when it profits them). 

 

He can do as he pleases, dont get me wrong, but we can still call a spade a spade too.... and that spade is shoveling barrels full of bullsh*t.

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Kind of like a McDonald executive claiming they could never support the fast food industry because of their health views whilst cashing in those cheeseburger funded cheques, no?

 

it is literally nothing like that. what a terrible equivocation. 

 

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Looking back through this thread i must admit apart from me mentioning it there's been none or very little comment about McClean wearing an IRA badge while at Wigan, maybe its not common news on here, but if it was a British player caught wearing a BNP badge for example he'd be rightly slaughtered & possibly banned from the game.

 

Dont forget Anelka got banned for making a anti semitic gesture only a couple of years ago, i suppose it depends what political or terrorist group you support whether you get banned or not.

 

Us fans used to get told that politics dont belong in football, thats right & that should apply to McClean as well.

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It's not the lack of poppy that I dislike, it's the "LOOK AT ME EVERYONE, I'M NOT WEARING A POPPY YOU OPPRESSIVE POPPY FASCISTS!" that he insists on broadcasting. If I played in Serie A, or even for England against Italy, and turned my back on the Italian national anthem (my grandfather was captured by the Italians in WW2 and escaped a POW camp) I'd most likely be slaughtered. He also seems to be ignorant of the small matter of the IRA supporting Hitler in WW2.

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Looking back through this thread i must admit apart from me mentioning it there's been none or very little comment about McClean wearing an IRA badge while at Wigan, maybe its not common news on here, but if it was a British player caught wearing a BNP badge for example he'd be rightly slaughtered & possibly banned from the game.

 

Dont forget Anelka got banned for making a anti semitic gesture only a couple of years ago, i suppose it depends what political or terrorist group you support whether you get banned or not.

 

Us fans used to get told that politics dont belong in football, thats right & that should apply to McClean as well.

A close pal of mine is NI protestant. He thinks the IRA is not part of the modern consciousness, only folk of a certain age and informed understand what is was and means. Some young have no knowledge of it, or do as McClean has.

Interestingly, there was once a right old ding ding on here about the red hand, again my pal would say folk don't fully understand.

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So no Irishmen died in the cold, dark trenches facing certain death by either the Germans or the elements? So that the Irishmen of today could be free? Spits on their grave.

One thing that incenses me is people not observing the silence at 11am on 11 November. I don't know why I have such a hostile reaction to those who continue to talk but I do. I also hope West Brom some how win the FA Cup this season and the president of the FA tells McClean to f**k OFF and suck his dick to get a medal.

Ahem, sorry.

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Poppy day at the Chelsea v Liverpool game.

 

::clap2:: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2015/10/poppy-saturday-at-stamford-bridge-.html

 

Another point in recent days ive seen an Argentinian player & a German all wearing a poppy while representing their English clubs.

To say we have military history with all of those countries is an understatement yet they all have enough class to show respect.

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So no Irishmen died in the cold, dark trenches facing certain death by either the Germans or the elements? So that the Irishmen of today could be free? Spits on their grave.

One thing that incenses me is people not observing the silence at 11am on 11 November. I don't know why I have such a hostile reaction to those who continue to talk but I do. I also hope West Brom some how win the FA Cup this season and the president of the FA tells McClean to f**k OFF and suck his dick to get a medal.

Ahem, sorry.

 

Gem, it makes my blood boil when people to continue to talk during the silence. For the last few years I used to leave the office where I worked to find somewhere quiet to pay my respects. I would only get angry if I'd stayed in the office and heard people talking. It doesn't take too much effort to be silent for a couple of minutes. I appreciate that there are some people who because of their work e.g. those who work in the medical profession who may have to talk but for most of the population it's not difficult.

 

CB, I've just read your post about McClean wearing an IRA badge. As you say, if a player wore a BNP badge they would be hammered. I'm sure that I read that FIFA or UEFA stated that players cannot wear political symbols.

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