Despite all City 'acclaimed' organized structure and organization, compare their success in the last 8yrs (2008 when Sheik bought club) till this present moment to Roman's first 8yrs. Must have been sheer luck that brought all that success given Roman is clueless according to some.

 

If they win the league this year, it would be 3 league titles each wouldn't it?

 

They'd have had 3 long-term managers (including Sparky), we'd have had 4 (not including AVB who took over in 2011), plus Guus Hiddink and Avram Grant.

 

They'd have had 2 Chief Execs and Technical Directors/DoF wouldn't they? We'd had 3 I think (Arnesen, Grant and Emenalo) of the latter and 2 of the former?

 

But let's look at where they are after year 8. They're probably going to win the league and have appointed the coach that they always aimed to get who fits their team's style fairly well? We were sacking Carlo and beginning the first go at changing the way we played football by appointing AVB which leads to a player mutiny, but also winning the Champions League.

"If they win the league this year, it would be 3 league titles each wouldn't it?"

Did you say IF?

"They'd have had 3 long-term managers (including Sparky), we'd have had 4 (not including AVB who took over in 2011), plus Guus Hiddink and Avram Grant."

3,4? What difference?. Sheik's as impatient and clueless as Roman then.

"They'd have had 2 Chief Execs and Technical Directors/DoF wouldn't they? We'd had 3 I think (Arnesen, Grant and Emenalo) of the latter and 2 of the former?"

Who gives a toss about changes on board level? You maybe.

"But let's look at where they are after year 8. They're probably going to win the league."

Why don't we wait till they win it, eh?

 

"If they win the league this year, it would be 3 league titles each wouldn't it?"

Did you say IF?

"They'd have had 3 long-term managers (including Sparky), we'd have had 4 (not including AVB who took over in 2011), plus Guus Hiddink and Avram Grant."

3,4? What difference?. Sheik's as impatient and clueless as Roman then.

"They'd have had 2 Chief Execs and Technical Directors/DoF wouldn't they? We'd had 3 I think (Arnesen, Grant and Emenalo) of the latter and 2 of the former?"

Who gives a toss about changes on board level? You maybe.

"But let's look at where they are after year 8. They're probably going to win the league."

Why don't we wait till they win it, eh?

 

 

Yes I said if.

 

They've had two managers who have both been in charge than any manager we've had under Roman haven't they? That might be incorrect but I suspect both have done more than three years.

 

Board level dictates the direction of this club which is what this thread is about, so you're right I do care. About my club.

 

The alternative is Arsenal so I'd prefer to assume City will.

We're going to turn into Arsenal at this rate - making a nice profit whilst scrapping 4th. City, United and Arsenal will have the top 3 places sown up whilst we scrape for 4th with the likes of Spurs, Liverpool etc.

Things don't look great at the minute.

"Yes I said if".

Then by this logic, our second UCL trophy IF we win it this season compared to none for them.

"They've had two managers who have both been in charge than any manager we've had under Roman haven't they? That might be incorrect but

I suspect both have done more than three years."

Manuel Pellegrini 14 Jun, 2013 Present

Brian Kidd 13 May, 2013 14 Jun, 2013

Roberto Mancini 20 Dec, 2009 13 May, 2013

Mark Hughes 04 Jun, 2008 20 Dec, 2009

Sven-Goran Eriksson 06 Jul, 2007 02 Jun, 2008

Stuart Pearce 11 Mar, 2005 14 May, 2007

Last 11yrs at City. Bar Mancini (4yrs) I don't seem them beaming with patience.

"Board level dictates the direction of this club which is what this thread is about, so you're right I do care. About my club."

Hmm, ok. We have an extra figure than them means we lack vision and direction? Ok then.

"The alternative is Arsenal so I'd prefer to assume City will".

An assumption? Well you're very good at making it.

At some point he might go too far and then we're in real sh*t.

 

I think this point already happened December 2015. He has invested a lot of money and helped the club attain a different status at the top of the game, for that he deserves all the gratitude. But he is also damaging it and is probably the reason we weren't maximizing the true potential we had in crucial moments. What we currently have is another Florentino Perez with huge emphasize on the negatives and based on the new sell to buy approach, very little positive. The most successful manager in our history who just won us another double while making a profit, was fighting against 200m+ spending sprees with last minute, 2m default choices. This is the first time since he took over that he and his current miserable version of a board are alone, it basically shows how the extremely influential (and most likely irreplaceable) figures we had here during his time were papering over the cracks

 

I have no faith in him whatsoever to turn this around, I don't think he knows how. His solution as he showed in the past is to get the latest flavor of the month in a desperate attempt to salvage some of the damage his impulsiveness caused. He surrounds himself with spineless advisers who aren't going to tell him he's wrong if their life depended on it. That situation left us with clueless favoritism in top positions.

 

As it stands, with a Roman/Board led-Mourinho/Terry/Lampard/Drogba/Cech-less Chelsea, I see a mediocre future, a club that lacks vision and identity with an out of touch hierarchy. Aimless chase to nothing, maybe a cup here and there. There's no plan, the people at the top aren't smart enough to be patient for any kind of sustainable project and that's where the change should start. Someone said that it feels like 2003 again, I agree, only this time without the financial luxury and the excitement, because now we know what we have.

Edited February 2, 201610 yr by JM1

 

"Yes I said if".

Then by this logic, our second UCL trophy IF we win it this season compared to none for them.

"They've had two managers who have both been in charge than any manager we've had under Roman haven't they? That might be incorrect but

I suspect both have done more than three years."

Manuel Pellegrini 14 Jun, 2013 Present

Brian Kidd 13 May, 2013 14 Jun, 2013

Roberto Mancini 20 Dec, 2009 13 May, 2013

Mark Hughes 04 Jun, 2008 20 Dec, 2009

Sven-Goran Eriksson 06 Jul, 2007 02 Jun, 2008

Stuart Pearce 11 Mar, 2005 14 May, 2007

Last 11yrs at City. Bar Mancini (4yrs) I don't seem them beaming with patience.

"Board level dictates the direction of this club which is what this thread is about, so you're right I do care. About my club."

Hmm, ok. We have an extra figure than them means we lack vision and direction? Ok then.

"The alternative is Arsenal so I'd prefer to assume City will".

An assumption? Well you're very good at making it.

 

 

Fair enough but I was trying to be realistic. Maybe we do win the CL but I think the odds are shorter on City retaining the league.

 

Not sure why you've included managers before the current owners of caretakers (I left off Butch for that reason) but both Mancini and Pellegrini (they're only two appointments) did more than Jose did in either stint. 

 

I think the extra figure is a result of the lack of direction rather than the direct cause. 

 

Mate, I'm not sure why you're getting so snarky. if you disagree then fine, explain your points but try and keep it civil. My assumptions are more likely outcomes. I use the word 'if' to make it clear that it's not a certainty. Thus far I'm not sure what your position is but if you think the club has a clear plan it has been working towards over the last few years and is moving forward then that's great. I envy you.

As it stands, with a Roman/Board led-Mourinho/Terry/Lampard/Drogba/Cech-less Chelsea, I see a mediocre future, a club that lacks vision and identity with an out of touch hierarchy. Aimless chase to nothing, maybe a cup here and there. There's no plan, the people at the top aren't smart enough to be patient for any kind of sustainable project and that's where the change should start. Someone said that it feels like 2003 again, I agree, only this time without the financial luxury and the excitement, because now we know what we have.

 

That spine Jose left him when he was sacked actually papered over massive issues in the squad. Even when he tried to move on from them, it was the old guard who bailed him out in 2012.

 

We don't have that now. We have no leaders (in fact we're letting one leave), we have no plan, we don't have the people in place to build one and we don't even have the vast spending power that we used to have to bail us out.

 

We're a club on the decline who are trying to save money at the same time. People are right to temper their expectations but if we'd actually bothered to commit to a plan when we were at the top we might not be in this trouble.

 

On the plus side it's going to be so much easier to get tickets for games and even season tickets because we'll be less of an attraction. We'll also have to give youngsters chances, so it's not all bad.

I think this point already happened December 2015.

I have no faith in him whatsoever to turn this around, I don't think he knows how. His solution as he showed in the past is to get the latest flavor of the month in a desperate attempt to salvage some of the damage his impulsiveness caused. He surrounds himself with spineless advisers who aren't going to tell him he's wrong if their life depended on it. That situation left us with clueless favoritism in top positions.

As it stands, with a Roman/Board led-Mourinho/Terry/Lampard/Drogba/Cech-less Chelsea, I see a mediocre future, a club that lacks vision and identity with an out of touch hierarchy.

Of course, the sacking of Jose Mourinho is the apocalypse at Chelsea Football Club. We are to expect a book in 2019 titled " The Rise And Fall Of The Roman Empire".

Of course, the sacking of Jose Mourinho is the apocalypse at Chelsea Football Club. We are to expect a book in 2019 titled " The Rise And Fall Of The Roman Empire".

 

You could argue that the hiring of him when you were trying to take the club in a completely different direction is actually the start of the decline. We're now in another rebuilding phase but we don't have an architect and it's unclear if we have the money to do it properly.

 

I'm stealing that title by the way.

lesblues you talk to people like that in real life ?

The fact is that Football success goes in cycles, no one has the Devine right to win all the time, not in the England any way !

Look at what's happened to other big clubs.....Liverpool, they struggle to win anything these past few years, when was the last time they won the premier league, oh sorry I forgot they never have !

Look at Man ure and the 250 million quid they've spent this last year, struggling, when was the last time they won the F A cup ?

Die hard Chelsea fans who have supported the club by actually attending matches in all weathers home and away, win, draw or loose, over many decades are used to the highs and lows.

But the newer fans will have to modify their expectation levels or dare some of em will go off and support Barcalona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich as they play in much weaker leagues than the premier league and have more chance of winning !

Come on the Chels, win or loose up the Blues ! KTBFFH

Yep Ken Bates wasn't exactly loved and respected by all...Man Utd are finding out how hard it is when they lose the long term stability that a Manager like Fergie brings, Arsenal will learn the same hard lesson when Wenger goes.

 

And while I agree that City's model does seem to be a good one, Guardiola will only be a 3 year solution and he won't find the Premier league as accommodating as the German or Spanish leagues so maybe we should wait and see how he copes before simply handing the title to City for the next 3 years.

 

We are having a sh*t season, no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean we should turn on the owner. Maybe this season is the kick up the ars* the club needs to start really thinking about long termism and bringing youth through, instead of using them as a revenue stream.

 

We've had a brilliant decade, which I certainly wouldn't swap for a decade of stultifying mid table stability. 

Please forgive me I forgot to mention that the mighty Lilly whites of north London have struggled to win the premier league, and when was the last time they won the FA cup or reached a European final ? !

So stop knocking Roman and make our voices heard at the up coming Chelsea matches, actions speak louder than words on a a computer !

Fair enough but I was trying to be realistic. Maybe we do win the CL but I think the odds are shorter on City retaining the league.

Not sure why you've included managers before the current owners of caretakers (I left off Butch for that reason) but both Mancini and Pellegrini (they're only two appointments) did more than Jose did in either stint.

I think the extra figure is a result of the lack of direction rather than the direct cause.

Mate, I'm not sure why you're getting so snarky. if you disagree then fine, explain your points but try and keep it civil. My assumptions are more likely outcomes. I use the word 'if' to make it clear that it's not a certainty. Thus far I'm not sure what your position is but if you think the club has a clear plan it has been working towards over the last few years and is moving forward then that's great. I envy you.

Mate,Your attack on Roman is baseless and short-sighted. Here's a man who has invested ridiculous amounts of his money and received little to nothing in return ( several papers say he's owed a BILLION pounds by the club). Even if he make mistakes, he's human and given all he done for the club, he's entitled to it. Why don't we see off this unfortunate season and see what 2016/2017 brings us rather than write posts degrading the owner.

Yep Ken Bates wasn't exactly loved and respected by all...Man Utd are finding out how hard it is when they lose the long term stability that a Manager like Fergie brings, Arsenal will learn the same hard lesson when Wenger goes.

 

And while I agree that City's model does seem to be a good one, Guardiola will only be a 3 year solution and he won't find the Premier league as accommodating as the German or Spanish leagues so maybe we should wait and see how he copes before simply handing the title to City for the next 3 years.

 

We are having a sh*t season, no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean we should turn on the owner. Maybe this season is the kick up the ars* the club needs to start really thinking about long termism and bringing youth through, instead of using them as a revenue stream.

 

We've had a brilliant decade, which I certainly wouldn't swap for a decade of stultifying mid table stability. 

 

Guardiola is a 3 year solution acquired after 4 years of laying the groundwork so it's not unfair to think they might have the next guy lined up (Luis Enrique perhaps?). They're not hiring him from a position of weakness either but potentially as champions whereas we make all of our changes on the backfoot.

 

I'm not turning on Roman either, but no-one is beyond criticism.

 

The last decade has been great, it could've been better but now we have to think about the next one and after 13 years of Roman there's very little to build on is there? We have a great academy that we don't use and no identity on the pitch. If we're entering a period of austerity then we're in trouble, perhaps worse than this year.

Mate,Your attack on Roman is baseless and short-sighted. Here's a man who has invested ridiculous amounts of his money and received little to nothing in return ( several papers say he's owed a BILLION pounds by the club). Even if he make mistakes, he's human and given all he done for the club, he's entitled to it. Why don't we see off this unfortunate season and see what 2016/2017 brings us rather than write posts degrading the owner.

 

It's not an attack, i don't think it's baseless (based on the evidence we have from a decade in charge) and rather than being short-sighted I think it's taking his whole tenure into the equation and also looking at the next 10 years. That's the opposite of short-sightedness isn't it?

 

I think the views in your post are probably quite widely-held and equally valid though. Plenty of fans seem to be a bit sheepish of criticising Roman in anyway because there's a sense that he gave us everything. He didn't. The club existed long before him and it'll exist long after him and he's open to as much criticism as any other person associated with this club.

I totally agree Lesblues.

We are all angry about the situation, because we lost the Worlds best manager and maybe loosing the Worlds best captain

But Roman doesn't deserve to be slagged off. he is a fan as well as the man who bought us the titles we won, make no mistake, without his money we wouldn't have won diddly

He employs people to do a job, and pays them a handsome wage to do it. They have let us and Roman down.

Your point is valid Shedender91 but Roman has presided over unprecedented success for us. Fans are pretty vocal when they're unhappy with an owner or a manager, but I do like to think most of us will give the owner a year or two to regroup I would take the view that he's earned it.

 

The new stadium seems to be his latest project, and if we have year or two in the doldrums most people won't whine about it. I would assume he has some long term plan, he strikes me as a calculating type.

Edited February 2, 201610 yr by SHELLY

Still way too much over reaction people are acting like we are in a desperate situation. The pep terry and Jose situation has gotten some fans going overboard way over board we have been here before and we will get back to our rightful place. Am absolutely sure without doubt the board and Roman understand we need to have some stability and structure which is why i feel in the the manager has mostly been chosen and it won't be a big name someone under the radar get us back into CL if we don't make it this season and bring youth through. We forget where we are coming from we as a club don't deserve success because we had it in the last 12 years we earn it and the fact a new stadium is in the works shows where Roman wants to take the club. People who are forgetting how to enjoy football this is what happens ups and downs. A few years from now we will forget this happened

I totally agree Lesblues.

We are all angry about the situation, because we lost the Worlds best manager and maybe loosing the Worlds best captain

But Roman doesn't deserve to be slagged off. he is a fan as well as the man who bought us the titles we won, make no mistake, without his money we wouldn't have won diddly

He employs people to do a job, and pays them a handsome wage to do it. They have let us and Roman down.

 

If the people he employs haven't been up to task, surely he's open to some criticism. All owners and CEOs are aren't they? 

 

We all love Roman because he's living the dream. He's the Football Manager player who got to play in real life but real life doesn't have a restart button.

 

 

Your point is valid Shedender91 but Roman has presided over unprecedented success for us. Fans are pretty vocal when they're unhappy with an owner or a manager, but I do like to think most of us will give the owner a year or two to regroup I would take the view that he's earned it.

 

The new stadium seems to be his latest project, and if we have year or two in the doldrums most people won't whine about it. I would assume he has some long term plan, he strikes me as a calculating type.

 

He was supposed to have long-term plans how many times in the last decade though? A more attractive style of football, then he hires Jose. Don't forget that he lost a lot of goodwill when he tried to f**k over the CPO in 2011 and then hired Rafa in 2013. Every two years he tries his best to alienate supporters apparently.

 

The new stadium looks great and if he does want to cut costs then that's his prerogative, but it will mean seasons like this one will become the norm rather than the exception. I'm saying I think the man needs to look at what he actually wants this club to become and commit to it so that we don't have a decade of mediocrity. 

 

I'm not looking forward to three seasons at Wembley being average. 

I think most supporters acknowledge that success in a trophy sense will ebb and flow and we're not going to be winning trophies year in year out but there's a bigger problem here than just merely winning trophies or potentially the lack of them over the next few years.

 

It's rare to see a team sustain such success as we've experienced in the past decade so we're clearly at the crossroads here with how we're going to plan for the future because the board has gone stale and made some outrageous decisions over the past few years and the players that made us the team we were are no longer here or are at an age clearly past their peak.

 

I'm still adamant that sacking Jose Mourinho is the biggest mistake that the club has made and we'll feel the after effects of this for years to come, but the sacking of Jose is merely a symptom of the bigger problem.

 

This problem being that the board has no long-term approach and the days of disguising this problem with a mentally strong team are long gone. Right now we have a team of overpaid pea hearts (the majority of them at least) and display no outstanding leadership qualities which is why Terry's inevitable departure concerns me because he's the heart and soul of this club.

 

Roman has to ask himself what he wants from the investment he's made in the last twelve years. Someone here mentioned that we sacked arguably two managers in Mourinho and Ancelotti who could be considered top 3 managers in the world and they both had success with us yet it wasn't good enough for him so what does a future manager need to achieve to surpass these two assuming he's afforded the patience he deserves?

 

If Roman is expecting Premier League and Champions League success and stylish football year in year out he's dreaming. I get the impression that while Roman is well-intentioned this utopia he's envisaging for the club is pure fantasy and won't become a reality.

 

There are others in the board who need to be held to serious account but this has already been discussed in greater detail as Mourinho's sacking in December demonstrates.

 

Names like Michael Emenalo spring to mind because of the lack of credentials he had to be a part of a big football club like this and being depicted as a growing cancer within the hierarchy of the club with his interference with managers and acting almost as a spy for the board and undermining those in less powerful positions such as the coaching staff.

 

I don't know what else to say but there are serious problems here and many supporters feel alienated and disillusioned. I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly feel an element of alienation and disappointment that I didn't think I would ever experience again after the Rafael Benitez saga.

Still way too much over reaction people are acting like we are in a desperate situation. The pep terry and Jose situation has gotten some fans going overboard way over board we have been here before and we will get back to our rightful place. Am absolutely sure without doubt the board and Roman understand we need to have some stability and structure which is why i feel in the the manager has mostly been chosen and it won't be a big name someone under the radar get us back into CL if we don't make it this season and bring youth through. We forget where we are coming from we as a club don't deserve success because we had it in the last 12 years we earn it and the fact a new stadium is in the works shows where Roman wants to take the club. People who are forgetting how to enjoy football this is what happens ups and downs. A few years from now we will forget this happened

 

What's joyful about being a supporter is following a club with your mates who have an identity isn't it? Seeing a huge club with supporters all over the world who are all united by something?

 

Losing that is a desperate situation isn't it? Losing the things you identify with is desperate isn't it? Seeing your club run by people who don't know how to treat legends or the body who saved the club from going under in the 1980s is desperate isn't it?

 

All that's left for the board to do is ban the Chelsea Pensioners from the ground isn't it? You say we should get back to our rightful place but also that we don't deserve success, and I agree with your latter point. We don't. What we need is a plan to get to the top, and we also need Roman to spend.

 

I don't think we have either. I don't know if it's gone unnoticed but we don't spend much money anymore. Roman might have a plan and being in a relegation fight might have been part of it, but he has a track record since 2011 of not being able to follow through on his plans and that is worrying.

It's not an attack, i don't think it's baseless (based on the evidence we have from a decade in charge) and rather than being short-sighted I think it's taking his whole tenure into the equation and also looking at the next 10 years. That's the opposite of short-sightedness isn't it?

I think the views in your post are probably quite widely-held and equally valid though. Plenty of fans seem to be a bit sheepish of criticising Roman in anyway because there's a sense that he gave us everything. He didn't. The club existed long before him and it'll exist long after him and he's open to as much criticism as any other person associated with this club.

Of course you're right, he's open to criticism ( maybe a little appreciation also :)). As SHELLY diligently pointed out he seems the calculating type, has long terms plans and the club best interests at heart ( I pray so). We have to look beyond this gloom of a season, hopefully we have the best season ever in 2017. Sorry if offended by my choice of words. Hardly ever mean what I write most especially in an argument. Cheers mate.

I totally agree Lesblues.

We are all angry about the situation, because we lost the Worlds best manager and maybe loosing the Worlds best captain

But Roman doesn't deserve to be slagged off. he is a fan as well as the man who bought us the titles we won, make no mistake, without his money we wouldn't have won diddly

He employs people to do a job, and pays them a handsome wage to do it. They have let us and Roman down.

Glad we agree mate. As you stated, hopefully Roman does question some of his board members.