The thought of Lukaku and Llorente as our strikers next season.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

but luckily Conte will never allow that to happen.

Just now, pacquiao said:

The thought of Lukaku and Llorente as our strikers next season.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

but luckily Conte will never allow that to happen.

Conte wanted Llorente in January.

So who exactly in the everton has half the bloody talent of putting in the ball that cesc put in last night?

Thats the difference in having a world class passer like cesc/pirlo/pogba playing behind you instead the likes of gueye/barry/barkley (with all due respect).

If all it took was "space" behind the defence then strikers like abel hernandez would have been the top scorer. Its about exploiting those spaces.

2 minutes ago, didierforever said:

So who exactly in the everton has half the bloody talent of putting in the ball that cesc put in last night?

Thats the difference in having a world class passer like cesc/pirlo/pogba playing behind you instead the likes of gueye/barry/barkley (with all due respect).

If all it took was "space" behind the defence then strikers like abel hernandez would have been the top scorer. Its about exploiting those spaces.

couldn't have put it better myself. 

5 minutes ago, chef said:

Conte wanted Llorente in January.

Yes as he doesn't rate Batshuayi, Conte wants to win the CL, He will never want Lukaku to be his 1st choice striker, and have such a poor 2nd choice. Never going to happen. 

2 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Yes as he doesn't rate Batshuayi, Conte wants to win the CL, He will never want Lukaku to be his 1st choice striker, and have such a poor 2nd choice. Never going to happen. 

I guess we'll  find out soon enough

4 minutes ago, didierforever said:

So who exactly in the everton has half the bloody talent of putting in the ball that cesc put in last night?

Thats the difference in having a world class passer like cesc/pirlo/pogba playing behind you instead the likes of gueye/barry/barkley (with all due respect).

If all it took was "space" behind the defence then strikers like abel hernandez would have been the top scorer. Its about exploiting those spaces.

The no service excuse will always be a laughable one, so you talk about Cesc's pass go and look at Barry's pass vs Watford to set up Lukaku, go and look at Gueye's crosss vs Sunderland to give Lukaku an easy header, look at Bolasie give Lukaku an open goal to tap the ball into against West Ham, go and look how Mirallas gave him a open goal to tap it into against Leicester and go and look at Barkley's cross against West Brom giving Lukaku an easy header. No matter how you try and twist it the service those Everton players give Lukaku is what strikers dream of.

In fact here you go, look how many were put on a plate for him. But Lukaku plays with pub team players right?

 

Trying to compare Barry to Fabregas.    

 

I get you want to prove a point but are you honestly suggesting Mirallas, Barry and Gueye give the same service as Fabregas, Pedro, Hazard etc..

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Trying to compare Barry to Fabregas.    

 

I get you want to prove a point but are you honestly suggesting Mirallas, Barry and Gueye give the same service as Fabregas, Pedro, Hazard etc..

Not really comparing them though was I 

if you could read he clearly said who in the Everton team has half the talent to put in a ball like Cesc and I was saying Barry already done it this season. 

And yes they do give the same service, it's easier to create chances for Lukaku as they usually have more space to create chances for him, hence why Chelsea and Everton have almost identical key passes and Chances created this season.

Edited May 9, 20179 yr by pacquiao

45 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

couldn't have put it better myself. 

What do you say to someone who compares "crosses" to a defence splitting pass. Its like we speak different languages. 

 

12 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Not really comparing them though was I 

if you could read he clearly said who in the Everton team has half the talent to put in a ball like Cesc and I was saying Barry already done it this season. 

And yes they do give the same service, it's easier to create chances for Lukaku as they usually have more space to create chances for him, hence why Chelsea and Everton have almost identical key passes and Chances created this season.

I'm fairly certain you're a troll.

 

If you actually watch a game Barry may hit a good pass once a season. Fabregas will give that to our striker 3 or 4 times a game. 

Just now, didierforever said:

What do you say to someone who compares "crosses" to a defence splitting pass. Its like we speak different languages. 

 

There's no reply to such a comment. I think we just have to accept Barry is a playmaker on the same level as Cesc and Lukaku should be battling relegation because he doesn't run enough 

2 minutes ago, didierforever said:

What do you say to someone who compares "crosses" to a defence splitting pass. Its like we speak different languages. 

 

 that's the best you could come up with, I didn't expect anything else when you have video footage of pinpoint crosses being put on a plate for Lukaku.  Nice try though.

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'm fairly certain you're a troll.

 

If you actually watch a game Barry may hit a good pass once a season. Fabregas will give that to our striker 3 or 4 times a game. 

Yes, and you are literally the only person who is actually comparing Barry to Fabregas.

I will try to help you out again, the guy said no one in that Everton team has HALF the talent of Cesc to play that kind of pass, yet Barry played an even better pass against Watford, that doesn't mean Barry is anywhere near Cesc's level but he set himself up to get proved wrong once again.  Hopefully you can understand the difference now.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'm fairly certain you're a troll.

 

If you actually watch a game Barry may hit a good pass once a season. Fabregas will give that to our striker 3 or 4 times a game. 

Na, definitely not a troll. We both were on Shedend and used to have massive debates all the time leading to each other's bans (a ban as we had the gall of discussing football on a football forum, can you fathom that). Dont think anyone would want to waste so much time of their lives.

Infact he is quite knowledgable but unfortunately just way too stubborn

Just now, pacquiao said:

Yes, and you are literally the only person who is actually comparing Barry to Fabregas.

I will try to help you out again, the guy said no one in that Everton team has HALF the talent of Cesc to play that kind of pass, yet Barry played an even better pass against Watford, that doesn't mean Barry is anywhere near Cesc's level but he set himself up to get proved wrong once again.  Hopefully you can understand the difference now.

You seem to be missing the point i'm trying to make here though. Barry gave Lukaku one good pass and he finished it. Cesc would be giving him that pass every game. If Lukaku is scoring 24 goals with that pass once a season, imagine how may he's score if he were getting that every game. His scoring record would be phenomenal with the service Chelsea supply. 

5 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

 that's the best you could come up with, I didn't expect anything else when you have video footage of pinpoint crosses being put on a plate for Lukaku.  Nice try though.

Emoticons? seriously? Still have not grown up I see.

Nonetheless, I honestly could not come up with anything better, as I honestly dont know what to say to a person who does not know the difference between a cross and a defence splitting pass.

I can remember 2 instances in the first half from each of our wingbacks where they flashed the ball inside the 6 yard box, all costa had to do was gamble and he would have had a tap-in. Yes, Lukaku scores such goals, because thats the kind of service he is going to get at everton: crosses into the box. Hence, I dont really understand what you or that video proves.

Everton's season finished ages ago and they have already been in holiday mode. Last game Evertone had a midfield of Barry, Gueye and Davies with Calvert-Lewin and Miralles playing on the wings. Got to say that's scary lol.

Playing with this current Chelsea's squad I can only see Lukaku banging in loads. Costa doesn't make enough runs in the the six yard box.

2 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Emoticons? seriously? Still have not grown up I see.

Nonetheless, I honestly could not come up with anything better, as I honestly dont know what to say to a person who does not know the difference between a cross and a defence splitting pass.

I can remember 2 instances in the first half from each of our wingbacks where they flashed the ball inside the 6 yard box, all costa had to do was gamble and he would have had a tap-in. Yes, Lukaku scores such goals, because thats the kind of service he is going to get at everton: crosses into the box. Hence, I dont really understand what you or that video proves.

I'm sorry but show me where we were having a debate over crosses or defence splitting passes? I must have missed that. 

what ghat video proves is Lukaku gets great service, you can keep trying to act like Bolasie, Gueye, Miralas and Barkley are pub team standard players but fact is Lukaku gets great service and Lukaku is someone who thrives of crosses coming into the box, at Everton they are very good at finding Lukaku with crosses at Chelsea we are no great at crossing, hence why again you need to think again if Lukaku is going to get way better service at Chelsea

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You seem to be missing the point i'm trying to make here though. Barry gave Lukaku one good pass and he finished it. Cesc would be giving him that pass every game. If Lukaku is scoring 24 goals with that pass once a season, imagine how may he's score if he were getting that every game. His scoring record would be phenomenal with the service Chelsea supply. 

If Cesc can't give Costa that pass every game how is he going to give Lukaku that pass every game when Costa has much better movement? 

13 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

If Cesc can't give Costa that pass every game how is he going to give Lukaku that pass every game when Costa has much better movement? 

He is giving those passes every game though. 11 assists in 11 starts says as much. That is just Cesc as well, not even counting the chances from Hazard, Pedro, Moses and Alonso. Those balls zipped across the goal mouth yesterday would surely have been finished by anyone else. Diego seems scared to get into the 6 yard box most of the time. 

8 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

I'm sorry but show me where we were having a debate over crosses or defence splitting passes? I must have missed that. 

what ghat video proves is Lukaku gets great service, you can keep trying to act like Bolasie, Gueye, Miralas and Barkley are pub team standard players but fact is Lukaku gets great service and Lukaku is someone who thrives of crosses coming into the box, at Everton they are very good at finding Lukaku with crosses at Chelsea we are no great at crossing, hence why again you need to think again if Lukaku is going to get way better service at Chelsea

Oh dear god!!!

Because YOU are the one confusing CROSSES and defence splitting passes. 

As for the bolded part, really? I thought the only thing he was good at was when he had space behind the defence.

On watching the video again:

Headers/Crosses = 11 goals

1v1/space behind the defence and easy pass = 4

Freekicks = 1

Defence splitting pass = 2

Created out of nothing (like that spurs goal) = 6

Defensive lapse = 1

So let me try to reason it out with you.

You are going on about the constant narrative that Lukaku only scores goals because of the massive spaces teams leave against everton : Totally biased and Untrue. 

Because most of his goals have been because everton put in a balls in the box just like we do for costa, only issue is that costa does not gamble much. How many times have moses and alonso put in a 50-50 ball in the box and costa was no where near it, just like last night. Hell, we even gave torres as much "service". Its not Lukaku's fault that torres had lost literally all of his poaching ability by then. Being at the right place, at the right time is one of the most important attribute in any striker, which lukaku has abundance of. Add to that, the sheer space/quality of passes that Hazard and Cesc would give him, and it would make him a much better player/scorer. 

That was the point of the initial post that I posted. the difference in quality that hazard/cesc would bring to his game.

9 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Oh dear god!!!

Because YOU are the one confusing CROSSES and defence splitting passes. 

As for the bolded part, really? I thought the only thing he was good at was when he had space behind the defence.

On watching the video again:

Headers/Crosses = 11 goals

1v1/space behind the defence and easy pass = 4

Freekicks = 1

Defence splitting pass = 2

Created out of nothing (like that spurs goal) = 6

Defensive lapse = 1

So let me try to reason it out with you.

You are going on about the constant narrative that Lukaku only scores goals because of the massive spaces teams leave against everton : Totally biased and Untrue. 

Because most of his goals have been because everton put in a balls in the box just like we do for costa, only issue is that costa does not gamble much. How many times have moses and alonso put in a 50-50 ball in the box and costa was no where near it, just like last night. Hell, we even gave torres as much "service". Its not Lukaku's fault that torres had lost literally all of his poaching ability by then. Being at the right place, at the right time is one of the most important attribute in any striker, which lukaku has abundance of. Add to that, the sheer space/quality of passes that Hazard and Cesc would give him, and it would make him a much better player/scorer. 

That was the point of the initial post that I posted. the difference in quality that hazard/cesc would bring to his game.

Who is confusing crosses and defence splitting passes? When I talk about crosses i talk crosses when I want to mention defence splitting passes I will mention them, I don't see where this confusion is coming from. 

And yes as you can see from the video almost all of Lukaku's goals were either put on a plate for him or were as a result of having ridiculous amount of space to run through and score or defensive unforced errors like the back pass from the Bournemouth player and Vertonghen's slip. 

And no I'm not saying Lukaku only scores because of the space he gets, I'm saying that is part of it, it definitely helps him when he doesn't have to play against a parked bus. 

And I agree Costa doesn't gamble enough he usually waits for a cut back, but i would also say his teammates should know this by now. But fact is Lukaku isn't much better, when he gets on the end of balls played across the 6 yard box I have seen him miss plenty. I remember his miss at Stamford Bridge from a few yards out in 2015, his open goal Miss against Holland and another open goal miss against Bosnia. So you can talk about quality of service but Lukaku is known for missing easy chances.

And if Hazard, De Bruyne, Carrasco and Mertens can't make him look good I doubt Fabregas will make much more of a difference especially as he doesn't play many minutes.

45 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

He is giving those passes every game though. 11 assists in 11 starts says as much. That is just Cesc as well, not even counting the chances from Hazard, Pedro, Moses and Alonso. Those balls zipped across the goal mouth yesterday would surely have been finished by anyone else. Diego seems scared to get into the 6 yard box most of the time. 

Also the Palace game was ridiculous for the amount of crosses zipped across the 6 yard box, the fans was just urging someone to take a risk. Palace sat back and Chelsea was just getting wide and whipping in crosses. That's the biggest problem with Costa he doesn't make those runs because he would rather be involved in the build up play which is the worst part of his game.

17 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Also the Palace game was ridiculous for the amount of crosses zipped across the 6 yard box, the fans was just urging someone to take a risk. Palace sat back and Chelsea was just getting wide and whipping in crosses. That's the biggest problem with Costa he doesn't make those runs because he would rather be involved in the build up play which is the worst part of his game.

spot on.