Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

These are the the biggest attackers in the prem. So you're saying the premier league has no big game players? Morata has scored against no big teams this year pmsl.

Hazard is a big game player as is Mane, and according to you Morata hasn't scored in any big games this season because Napoli, Bilbao and Villarreal don't count right? 

1 minute ago, pacquiao said:

Yet you was the one who compared the two. 

Yes because you replied to my comment regarding more than Costa to yours about Lukaka, so obviously that's where the comparing started.

Just now, Ernie_blue said:

Yes because you replied to my comment regarding more than Costa to yours about Lukaka, so obviously that's where the comparing started.

No the comparing started when you bought Costa's name into it.

42 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

So Lukaku scored 3 goals in 10 games against the Top 6 and that makes him a big game player? 

 

24 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

More than Costa 

 

21 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Off the top of my head doesn't Costa have a goal in the League Cup final against Spurs, a winning goal at the Emirates, a winning goal at Anfield, a late winner against Man United, another goal against Arsenal, a goal and MOTM performance against Man City. Not to mention the winning goal in the Copa Del Rey final against Real Madrid. Some people have no shame comparing him to Lukaku.

 

12 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

All this season? I find it funny how some people can compare a forward who has played for Madrid and Chelsea and has been playing for those clubs for some time now to a younger player playing for Everton. I wonder who is more likely to be involved in cup finals? I wonder who is playing with better players, some are rated around the the best in the world? Tough one that.

 

 

So no mention of Costa?

1 minute ago, pacquiao said:

Hazard is a big game player as is Mane, and according to you Morata hasn't scored in any big games this season because Napoli, Bilbao and Villarreal don't count right? 

Strange that all the biggest goal scorers in the league aren't big game players all of a sudden. No, Bilbao and Villareal aren't big games lmao. 

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

go look at 2015/16 when they were both at Juve together. Mandzukic had 10 league goals in 27 games, the world class, world beating all dominant Morata had 7 goals in 34 games. 

So now your moving the goalposts again. So tell me who played more minutes? 

Clealry you don't understand that a lot of Morata's appearances have come from being an impact sub, he chose to do the complete opposite of what Lukaku chose, Morata wanted to play at a top club even though he knew being a young striker at clubs like RM and Juve meant he wouldn't start all the time, Lukaku knew he wouldn't start regularly at Chelsea so took the step down to play every week.

Now both are ready to make that next step and be staters at a top club, Morata has the edge as he has the experience under his belt of playing for a top team and playing and scoring in big games domestically and in the CL, there are still question marks over Lukaku, what will happen if he gets benched again? Will he sulk and ask to leave? Will he be able to step up in big games in the CL? Morata is already proven in that department which is why Conte seemingly wants Morata not Lukaku.

14 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

 

 

 

So no mention of Costa?

No, clealry I didn't bring his name up, you did. I was comparing Lukaku and Morata, then you randomly replied to a comment I made about Lukaku and bought Costa into it, then I replied to you and then you replied back basically saying how stupid it was to compare them yet you was the one who started the comparison. 

16 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Strange that all the biggest goal scorers in the league aren't big game players all of a sudden. No, Bilbao and Villareal aren't big games lmao. 

Villarreal and Bilbao are both better teams then Lukaku's Everton for starters.

Bilbao beat Sevilla 3-1 at home, beat Barcelona 2-1 in the home leg of the Copa Del Rey, lost 2-1 to R.Madrid, drew 2-2 with A.Madrid

Villarreal beat A.Madrid 1-0 away, Real Madrid needed a 83rd minute winner from Morata to beat them 3-2, they drew 0-0 away to Sevilla, drew 1-1 with Barcelona and beat A.Madrid 3-0 at home.

but no youre right they wouldn't be able to handle the mighty Arsenal and Man City. 

 

1 hour ago, Osgood is Good said:

Lukaku..........Is he, isn't he good enough. This will rumble on and on. I believe it's already on the cards that he will join Chelsea. One thing for certain though, to continue his improvement, Didier Drogba should be brought in at some point (I know Drogba is now player/owner of an American side). Lukaku has great respect for Didier, which could see him learning from and becoming one of the best

Tbh it wouldn't shock me. There obvious are pros and cons to signing him. But he's young so will at this point surely only get better. I just hope if we do buy him he influences those big games maybe not quite like Drogba did cause he set an unbelievable standard but something not far off that.

16 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Villarreal and Bilbao are both better teams then Lukaku's Everton for starters.

Bilbao beat Sevilla 3-1 at home, beat Barcelona 2-1 in the home leg of the Copa Del Rey, lost 2-1 to R.Madrid, drew 2-2 with A.Madrid

Villarreal beat A.Madrid 1-0 away, Real Madrid needed a 83rd minute winner from Morata to beat them 3-2, they drew 0-0 away to Sevilla, drew 1-1 with Barcelona and beat A.Madrid 3-0 at home.

but no youre right they wouldn't be able to handle the mighty Arsenal and Man City. 

 

They absolutely wouldn't be able to handle English teams. More cup games, no winter break, they'd have no chance against the big boys in the prem. Pedro came from Barca and said the Prem is a much much more difficult league. I'm not arguing whether they're better than Everton, i'm saying they wouldn't get close to the prems top 6. 

1 hour ago, pacquiao said:

So Lukaku scored 3 goals in 10 games against the Top 6 and that makes him a big game player? 

So how does that make a comparison between Morata and Lukaku? I made the comparison between Costa and Lukaku because it's a fact and to compare Costa's stats to yours for Lukaku's for this season. Then if you look back you started blabbing on about Costa's history. That's where I made the comparison between a 28 yr old and a 23 yr old. We might aswell compare Drogba and Abraham then. 

4 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

So how does that make a comparison between Morata and Lukaku? I made the comparison between Costa and Lukaku because it's a fact and to compare Costa's stats to yours for Lukaku's for this season. Then if you look back you started blabbing on about Costa's history. That's where I made the comparison between a 28 yr old and a 23 yr old. We might aswell compare Drogba and Abraham then. 

Before you came and started to randomly compare Lukaku to Costa, clealry the conversation was about Morata and Lukaku. You are the one who decided to compare the 28 year old to the 23 year old, then when I replied back to you, you suddenly at that point decided it wasn't a good idea to compare the two. 

Edited May 1, 20179 yr by pacquiao

4 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Before you came and started to randomly compare Lukaku to Costa, clealry the conversation was about Morata and Lukaku. You are the one who decided to compare the 28 year old to the 23 year old, then when I replied back to you, you suddenly at that point decided it wasn't a good idea to compare the two. 

I said Lukaku has scored more than Costa against the big teams this season when you put a random comment up. You replied to my comment blabbing about Costa's history and his big goals. So obviously there is some comparison there or you wouldn't reply to my comment which included Lukaku in the first place.. I just said no comparison can be made between a 23 yr old and a 28 yr old. There you go I made it simple for you.

Im not up for an afternoon of this sh*t.

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

They absolutely wouldn't be able to handle English teams. More cup games, no winter break, they'd have no chance against the big boys in the prem. Pedro came from Barca and said the Prem is a much much more difficult league. I'm not arguing whether they're better than Everton, i'm saying they wouldn't get close to the prems top 6. 

We are not talking about how they would do if they came to play in the PL, we are talking about the quality of the teams, and Bilbao and Villarreal can hold their own against Barca, Atletico and Real but apparently wouldn't be able to hold their own against the likes of Arsenal 

6 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I said Lukaku has scored more than Costa against the big teams this season when you put a random comment up. You replied to my comment blabbing about Costa's history and his big goals. So obviously there is some comparison there or you wouldn't reply to my comment which included Lukaku in the first place.. I just said no comparison can be made between a 23 yr old and a 28 yr old. There you go I made it simple for you.

Im not up for an afternoon of this sh*t.

So you admit you started the comparison. That's all I needed to hear. 

4 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

We are not talking about how they would do if they came to play in the PL, we are talking about the quality of the teams, and Bilbao and Villarreal can hold their own against Barca, Atletico and Real but apparently wouldn't be able to hold their own against the likes of Arsenal 

Correct, they wouldn't hold up against Liverpool, City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Correct, they wouldn't hold up against Liverpool, City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Let me guess Messi wouldn't be able to do it on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke as well right? 

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

More than Costa 

2 hours ago, Argo said:

 The same sentence you said at the end could be used to describe Lukaku, after the cup game at Goodison last season he didn't score again until September.

If he comes which i think is inevitable i hope im proved wrong and i don't doubt he will have a good goal record, but what it boils down to is i think Conte or whoever is incharge down the line will be looking for an upgrade to cement our position at the top (like when Gomez was shafted out of the Bayern side despite averaging  goal a game in at 11/12). Also if we do sign competition for his place or even Tammy upsurds him somewhere down the line, what's to say he won't get cold feet again like when Costa came in the first place?

Sorry mate, but this has been done to death. My stance is simply that, Jose played Schurrle ahead of Lukaku at OT, so you can hardly blame the guy for not trusting Jose to play him. I love Jose but it cant always be Lukaku or KDB or Mata or Bertrand or Kaka or Luis etc etc's fault.

Secondly, Lukaku is miles ahead of Gomez. And dont forget he is still improving. 18 goals last season, 24 this. And not just in his goal return, but also in his overall play. I will trust Conte's decision, be it Lukaku or Morata or Bellotti. So far, he seems to have got most of his transfers spot on (kante, alonso, moses (bringing him back)). Fair enough, if u dont think lukaku is the right way to go, but just cant stand the hypocrisy of people (not you), who seem different measures of judging costa and lukaku.

29 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Sorry mate, but this has been done to death. My stance is simply that, Jose played Schurrle ahead of Lukaku at OT, so you can hardly blame the guy for not trusting Jose to play him. I love Jose but it cant always be Lukaku or KDB or Mata or Bertrand or Kaka or Luis etc etc's fault.

Secondly, Lukaku is miles ahead of Gomez. And dont forget he is still improving. 18 goals last season, 24 this. And not just in his goal return, but also in his overall play. I will trust Conte's decision, be it Lukaku or Morata or Bellotti. So far, he seems to have got most of his transfers spot on (kante, alonso, moses (bringing him back)). Fair enough, if u dont think lukaku is the right way to go, but just cant stand the hypocrisy of people (not you), who seem different measures of judging costa and lukaku.

I was refering more to when Costa was signed as opposed to the year before, Jose has his faults with young players to put it mildly but look at the minutes he has given Rashford this season despite Zlatan being bonafide number 1. Lukaku would have gotten his fair share of minutes given Costa's injury's and bans and the impacts he makes of the bench, in many ways it could have benefited him more than a full season at Everton.

Fair play, the best way i can sum the situation up is if he comes here i pray you are right and if he goes United i hope i am.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

I was refering more to when Costa was signed as opposed to the year before, Jose has his faults with young players to put it mildly but look at the minutes he has given Rashford this season despite Zlatan being bonafide number 1. Lukaku would have gotten his fair share of minutes given Costa's injury's and bans and the impacts he makes of the bench, in many ways it could have benefited him more than a full season at Everton.

Fair play, the best way i can sum the situation up is if he comes here i pray you are right and if he goes United i hope i am.

The vast majority of Rashford's minutes have been out on the wing though. Lukaku isn't a player who can be shifted out wide.

I think there us too much emphasis being placed on statistics that are impossible to compare fairly. 

Lukaku and morata have time on their sides to prove the doubters wrong. 

The only thing that really matters is how they perform if and when they are in a chelsea shirt. 

Both have qualities, both have flaws, and both have potential to be better than costa. 

Transfers are hit and miss, torres scored in big games, scored regularly, was 'premier league proven' and we signed him at what many would have thought was his peak. He didn't hit the ground running and the rest is history. 

I hope whoever comes in, scores goals from the get go, and then I'm confident they will go on to be a success here. 

13 minutes ago, big blue said:

I think there us too much emphasis being placed on statistics that are impossible to compare fairly. 

Lukaku and morata have time on their sides to prove the doubters wrong. 

The only thing that really matters is how they perform if and when they are in a chelsea shirt. 

Both have qualities, both have flaws, and both have potential to be better than costa. 

Transfers are hit and miss, torres scored in big games, scored regularly, was 'premier league proven' and we signed him at what many would have thought was his peak. He didn't hit the ground running and the rest is history. 

I hope whoever comes in, scores goals from the get go, and then I'm confident they will go on to be a success here. 

Transfers are hit and miss as you correctly say, and Chelsea have had their fair share of misses regarding high priced transfers for stikers. Chris Sutton springs to mind, came with a big reputation, and on his debut, against Sunderland I think, was clean through and then appeared to trip over his own legs. He never recovered his confidence and consequently was bang average for us. Maybe our past record for buying poor strikers is why the emphasis on statistics and the nervousness of buying the correct man.

Edited May 1, 20179 yr by Osgood is Good

I think we all know who his choice has been 

We've done some poor business re strikers, although some of that has been the club's own doing:

- Sutton as mentioned ended up been a terrible purchase.

- Mutu started well but faded, we found out later due to drug problems.

- Kezman was a complete flop (still at least he scored in the League Cup final)

- Shevchenko was 29 when we signed him and coming off a knee operation.

- Pizarro, a free signing sure wasn't exactly good business still has he had very little impact.

- Torres had some major injury problems at Liverpool, they really did a number on us with that one getting the fee up to £50 mil for a player they knew was on the decline.