41 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Please do tell us all about Morata's big game record. As someone has posted previously, it ain't better than Lukaku's. 

Oh dear.

where do I start, scored the winner against Sporting Lisbon in the CL, scored the winner against Bilbao, scored the winner against Villarreal and now in the title run in, in his last 3 games has 2 goals and 1 assist always steps up. 

Last season scored the winner against Man City in the CL, scored past Sevilla in the CL, scored 3 goals past Inter, and scored his penalty in the Coppa Italia semi final against inter, scored in the Turin derby, scored the winner against Fiorentina and the winner in the Copa Italia Final against Milan.

should I carry on?

and Morata doesn't start games regularly which makes it even more impressive, he is a level above Lukaku simple as that.

Edited May 1, 20179 yr by pacquiao

Morata was scoring CL knockout goals to get Juve to a final. 

If those aren't big games then God knows what is

3 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Morata was scoring CL knockout goals to get Juve to a final. 

If those aren't big games then God knows what is

Exactly 14/15 season Morata was scoring big goals in the CL against Dortmund, Real Madrid and Barca in the final, and people have the audacity to question whether he is a big game player. 

2 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Oh dear.

where do I start, scored the winner against Sporting Lisbon in the CL, scored the winner against Bilbao, scored the winner against Villarreal and now in the title run in, in his last 3 games has 2 goals and 1 assist always steps up. 

Last season scored the winner against Man City in the CL, scored past Sevilla in the CL, scored 3 goals past Inter, and scored his penalty in the Coppa Italia semi final against inter, scored in the Turin derby, scored the winner against Fiorentina and the winner in the Copa Italia Final against Milan.

should I carry on?

and Morata doesn't start games regularly which makes it even more impressive, he is a level above Lukaku simple as that.

We're talking about the level of opposition, not if his goal won the game. There are many examples of Lukaku doing the same and winning games with his goals.

Sporting Lisbon, Bilbao, Villareal are all poor teams that Real should blow away with ease. It would be like bragging that Lukaku is scoring against West Brom. 

Man City is fair enough but they're always sh*te in the CL. Lukaku has also scored against City this year..

Any Italian team is a step below Juve, their strikers should and do score for fun. Even Mandzukic scored more goals in less games than Morata ffs. 

The facts are Morata is being supplied by world players at Juve and now world class players at Real. Lukaku is being supplied by a young Davies and Barkley..

Stick Lukaku in that Juve team or Real time and watch how many he scores then.

i don't know if morata could come in and lead the line for us though, not as a sole striker. i think morata would probably work better with a partner in crime up top. i don't watch enough of him to be certain of that though, so just surmising. 

Lukaku..........Is he, isn't he good enough. This will rumble on and on. I believe it's already on the cards that he will join Chelsea. One thing for certain though, to continue his improvement, Didier Drogba should be brought in at some point (I know Drogba is now player/owner of an American side). Lukaku has great respect for Didier, which could see him learning from and becoming one of the best

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We're talking about the level of opposition, not if his goal won the game. There are many examples of Lukaku doing the same and winning games with his goals.

Sporting Lisbon, Bilbao, Villareal are all poor teams that Real should blow away with ease. It would be like bragging that Lukaku is scoring against West Brom. 

Man City is fair enough but they're always sh*te in the CL. Lukaku has also scored against City this year..

Any Italian team is a step below Juve, their strikers should and do score for fun. Even Mandzukic scored more goals in less games than Morata ffs. 

The facts are Morata is being supplied by world players at Juve and now world class players at Real. Lukaku is being supplied by a young Davies and Barkley..

Stick Lukaku in that Juve team or Real time and watch how many he scores then.

Bilbao and Villarreal are poor teams? So you're saying top 6 in England is much stronger then top 6 in Spain? Just yet another excuse.

so you try to discredit his goals by saying things like Man City are sh*t in the CL, Morata has world class players supplying him, these excuses are pathetic, First of all when you play for a top team, most teams you come up against park the bus, and you have a lot less space to play in, a team like Everton get a lot more space in the final 3rd because teams don't usually park the bus against them. Look at Lukaku for Belgium at the Euro's the only team he scored past was Ireland, he had Hazard, De Bruyne, Carassco and Mertens feeding him and was awful throughout, why? Because teams park the bus against Belgium and Lukaku had no space.

Fact is Morata scored past Dortmund home and away in the CL, scored past Real Madrid home and away and scored the equaliser in the CL final against Barcelona, now let's see what excuses you come up with for that.

Costa:

Liverpool(H): 1 goal, 0 assist

Arsenal (A): 0 goal, 0 assist

United (H): 0 goal, 0 assist

Everton (H): 1goal, 1assist

Spurs (H): 0 goal, 1 assist

City: 1 goal, 1 assist

Spurs: 0goal, 0 assist

Pool: 0 goal, 0 assist

Arsenal: 0 goal, 0 assist

United: 0 goal, 0 assist

City: 0 goal, 0 assist

Everton: 0 goal, 0 assist

 

Lukaku:

Spurs : Did not play

City: 1goal

Chelsea: 0 goal

United: 0 goal

Arsenal: 0 goal

Liverpool: 0goal

City: 1goal

Spurs: 1 goal

Liverpool: 0 goal

united: 0 goal

chelsea: 0 goal

 

So costa has 3 goals in 12 games against top 7 opponents, while lukaku has 3 goals in 10 games against top 7 opponents

Also, something to note: Chelsea have won 7, drawn 1, lost 4 while scoring a total of 24 goals

Everton have won 2, drawn 3 and lost 5 while scoring 12 goals in those 10 "Big games". So basically lukaku scores 25% of his teams "Big game"goals.

I am sorry but this "lukaku is not a big game player notion" has to drop off because

1. its bullsh*t, he does score

2. we just anhillated everton 8-0. You expect one single striker to make a "difference". Put in CR and he wont make a difference when your TEAM was OUTCLASSED. 

 

25 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We're talking about the level of opposition, not if his goal won the game. There are many examples of Lukaku doing the same and winning games with his goals.

Sporting Lisbon, Bilbao, Villareal are all poor teams that Real should blow away with ease. It would be like bragging that Lukaku is scoring against West Brom. 

Man City is fair enough but they're always sh*te in the CL. Lukaku has also scored against City this year..

Any Italian team is a step below Juve, their strikers should and do score for fun. Even Mandzukic scored more goals in less games than Morata ffs. 

The facts are Morata is being supplied by world players at Juve and now world class players at Real. Lukaku is being supplied by a young Davies and Barkley..

Stick Lukaku in that Juve team or Real time and watch how many he scores then.

Zlatan is a sh*t striker mate. Could not score a single goal in euro 2016. Dont let the fact that the quality of opposition, quality of your own providers deter from the fact that he scored 0 goals in the euros. 

41 minutes ago, didierforever said:

maybe its for the reason that since costa has come here, Lukaku has scored here 52 goals, while costa has scored 51, while playing for a team no where near the level/class of chelsea (with all due respect), and the fact that he has been far more consistent across the 3 years. While Costa has his purple patches where it seems he is unplayable (I would say around half of his time here), he also has his patches where it seems like one of the most frustrating players to watch who is devoid of a good first touch, good link up play, any aerial ability.

 The same sentence you said at the end could be used to describe Lukaku, after the cup game at Goodison last season he didn't score again until September.

If he comes which i think is inevitable i hope im proved wrong and i don't doubt he will have a good goal record, but what it boils down to is i think Conte or whoever is incharge down the line will be looking for an upgrade to cement our position at the top (like when Gomez was shafted out of the Bayern side despite averaging  goal a game in at 11/12). Also if we do sign competition for his place or even Tammy upsurds him somewhere down the line, what's to say he won't get cold feet again like when Costa came in the first place?

So Lukaku scored 3 goals in 10 games against the Top 6 and that makes him a big game player? 

5 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Costa:

Liverpool(H): 1 goal, 0 assist

Arsenal (A): 0 goal, 0 assist

United (H): 0 goal, 0 assist

Everton (H): 1goal, 1assist

Spurs (H): 0 goal, 1 assist

City: 1 goal, 1 assist

Spurs: 0goal, 0 assist

Pool: 0 goal, 0 assist

Arsenal: 0 goal, 0 assist

United: 0 goal, 0 assist

City: 0 goal, 0 assist

Everton: 0 goal, 0 assist

 

Lukaku:

Spurs : Did not play

City: 1goal

Chelsea: 0 goal

United: 0 goal

Arsenal: 0 goal

Liverpool: 0goal

City: 1goal

Spurs: 1 goal

Liverpool: 0 goal

united: 0 goal

chelsea: 0 goal

 

So costa has 3 goals in 12 games against top 7 opponents, while lukaku has 3 goals in 10 games against top 7 opponents

Also, something to note: Chelsea have won 7, drawn 1, lost 4 while scoring a total of 24 goals

Everton have won 2, drawn 3 and lost 5 while scoring 12 goals in those 10 "Big games". So basically lukaku scores 25% of his teams "Big game"goals.

I am sorry but this "lukaku is not a big game player notion" has to drop off because

1. its bullsh*t, he does score

2. we just anhillated everton 8-0. You expect one single striker to make a "difference". Put in CR and he wont make a difference when your TEAM was OUTCLASSED. 

 

Yeah but Morata scored in the CL against Dortmund 2 years ago so he's better. Even though Lukaku has never had the opportunity to play in the CL he's sh*t because he's never scored against a big European team!!!

 

7 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Bilbao and Villarreal are poor teams? So you're saying top 6 in England is much stronger then top 6 in Spain? Just yet another excuse.

so you try to discredit his goals by saying things like Man City are sh*t in the CL, Morata has world class players supplying him, these excuses are pathetic, First of all when you play for a top team, most teams you come up against park the bus, and you have a lot less space to play in, a team like Everton get a lot more space in the final 3rd because teams don't usually park the bus against them. Look at Lukaku for Belgium at the Euro's the only team he scored past was Ireland, he had Hazard, De Bruyne, Carassco and Mertens feeding him and was awful throughout, why? Because teams park the bus against Belgium and Lukaku had no space.

Fact is Morata scored past Dortmund home and away in the CL, scored past Real Madrid home and away and scored the equaliser in the CL final against Barcelona, now let's see what excuses you come up with for that.

La Liga in incomparable to the Prem. Any team below the top 3-4 in La Liga would struggle to stay in the top half of the prem. Lukaku has never played against tough CL opposition but with his physicality he'd dominate the majority of Spanish defences. Lukaku's one season in the Europa league at the age of 22 and he managed to get top scorer in the competition. Fact is Mandzukic scored more in less games at Juve. 

17 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

So Lukaku scored 3 goals in 10 games against the Top 6 and that makes him a big game player? 

More than Costa 

3 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

More than Costa 

Off the top of my head doesn't Costa have a goal in the League Cup final against Spurs, a winning goal at the Emirates, a winning goal at Anfield, a late winner against Man United, another goal against Arsenal, a goal and MOTM performance against Man City. Not to mention the winning goal in the Copa Del Rey final against Real Madrid. Some people have no shame comparing him to Lukaku.

Edited May 1, 20179 yr by pacquiao

4 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Off the top of my head doesn't Costa have a goal in the League Cup final against Spurs, a winning goal at the Emirates, a winning goal at Anfield, a late winner against Man United, another goal against Arsenal, a goal and MOTM performance against Man City. Not to mention the winning goal in the Copa Del Rey final against Real Madrid. Some people have no shame comparing him to Lukaku.

All this season? I find it funny how some people can compare a forward who has played for Madrid and Chelsea and has been playing for those clubs for some time now to a younger player playing for Everton. I wonder who is more likely to be involved in cup finals? I wonder who is playing with better players, some are rated around the the best in the world? Tough one that.

 

 

27 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Fact is Mandzukic scored more in less games at Juve. 

Morata scored 27 goals at Juventus, Mandzukic currently has 21. 

4 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

So Lukaku scored 3 goals in 10 games against the Top 6 and that makes him a big game player? 

If we say the big teams in England are Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd, City, Arsenal and spurs.

That leaves Lukaku on 0.3 goals per 'big game'

Zlatan has scored 2 goals in 7 games against top 6 opposition this season. 0.29 goals per 'big game'. Is Zlatan not a big game player?

Aguero has 4 goals in 10 games. 0.4 goals per 'big game'. One goal more than Lukaku. 

Costa has 2 in 12. So 0.16 goals per big game this season. 

Sanchez has 2 in 10. So 0.2 goal per big game. 

Kane has 3 in 9. So 0.33.

 

Lets take Sevilla, Atletico, Barca and Real when looking at La Liga because they're the only comparable teams to premier league opposition.

Morata has 0 goals in 3 games. He isn't even trusted to play against Barca or Atletico.

 

Lukaku is by no means a big game player but he is by no means worse than other players that are apparently big game players.

3 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

All this season? I find it funny how some people can compare a forward who has played for Madrid and Chelsea and has been playing for those clubs for some time now to a younger player playing for Everton. I wonder who is more likely to be involved in cup finals? I wonder who is playing with better players, some are rated around the the best in the world? Tough one that.

 

 

Didn't you just compare Lukaku to Costa because I know I never bought Costa's name up. 

How can a 28 year old who has played for 2 of the best clubs in Europe and some of the best players in the world be compared to a 23 year old who has played at Everton with the likes of Lennon, Davies and Barkley. Of course a 28 yr old has achieved more. 

1 minute ago, pacquiao said:

Morata scored 27 goals at Juventus, Mandzukic currently has 21. 

go look at 2015/16 when they were both at Juve together. Mandzukic had 10 league goals in 27 games, the world class, world beating all dominant Morata had 7 goals in 34 games. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If we say the big teams in England are Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd, City, Arsenal and spurs.

That leaves Lukaku on 0.3 goals per 'big game'

Zlatan has scored 2 goals in 7 games against top 6 opposition this season. 0.29 goals per 'big game'. Is Zlatan not a big game player?

Aguero has 4 goals in 10 games. 0.4 goals per 'big game'. One goal more than Lukaku. 

Costa has 2 in 12. So 0.16 goals per big game this season. 

Sanchez has 2 in 10. So 0.2 goal per big game. 

Kane has 3 in 9. So 0.33.

 

Lets take Sevilla, Atletico, Barca and Real when looking at La Liga because they're the only comparable teams to premier league opposition.

Morata has 0 goals in 3 games. He isn't even trusted to play against Barca or Atletico.

 

Lukaku is by no means a big game player but he is by no means worse than other players that are apparently big game players.

I don't consider any of the players you mentioned as big games players except for Morata who proves himself time and time again in big games. 

2 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

Didn't you just compare Lukaku to Costa because I know I never bought Costa's name up. 

You obviously did.

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

How can a 28 year old who has played for 2 of the best clubs in Europe and some of the best players in the world be compared to a 23 year old who has played at Everton with the likes of Lennon, Davies and Barkley. Of course a 28 yr old has achieved more. 

Yet you was the one who compared the two. 

Just now, pacquiao said:

I don't consider any of the players you mentioned as big games players except for Morata who proves himself time and time again in big games. 

These are the the biggest attackers in the prem. So you're saying the premier league has no big game players? Morata has scored against no big teams this year pmsl.

Just now, Ernie_blue said:

You obviously did.

 No I was comparing Lukaku to Morata