Just now, bisright1 said:

Would Tottenham fans go back in time and exit the champions League at the group stage in exchange for winning the league cup. 

I say they wouldn't. Some people think I'm a lunatic. 

I think you would find most of them would secretly love to do that, at a guess 99.99%. But openly they would never admit it.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

I think you would find most of them would secretly love to do that, at a guess 99.99%. But openly they would never admit it.

I had a check on their forum. They are so different to us. So who knows. 

Some seemingly would trade for a trophy but some are actually talking about losing and playing well is better than winning ugly. 

Urgh. 

Edited June 16, 20197 yr by bisright1

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

I had a check on their forum. They are so different to us. So who knows. 

Some seemingly would trade for a trophy but some are actually talking about losing and playing well is betted than winning ugly. 

Urgh. 

Lets just agree they are a very strange bunch.

I think some of you are missing the point of the article.No one in their right mind would question the success that RA has facilitated but that model at some point in time inevitably would have to be changed. 

We rightly criticise Liverpool supporters for their constant drivel regarding history but aren’t we in danger of the same?

Ok we won the EL last season and I celebrate that but we won it because we didn’t play in the CL. I’d rather finish runners up in the Premier League than win the Championship.

Rightly on here some talk about our transfer failures and if we are honest there have been plenty of them . So let’s not be too precious when it’s pointed out by others the number of players we have transferred in and indeed some of the vast sums wasted.

Spurs have changed how they develop and operate. Liverpool likewise both have integrated a style of play that is fresh and modern. Neither won the league but Liverpool did . Neither of the clubs are close to perfect but they do certain things extremely well so let’s not be dismissive instead let’s steal some of their ideas and improve on them.

 

FFP is a massive issue going forward, the soon to be restrictions on numbers of players being loaned out will impact to a degree but any organisation that wants to improve has to embrace change and football isn’t exempt from that fact.

SAF for me is without doubt the greatest manager there ever has been in English football ( it hurts admitting to that) but his ability to re invent both himself and indeed his teams were a master class. Yes he did spend but he had a knack of knowing when change had to happen .

He dismantled team after team and improved by integrating academy players, brining in players who were in the Autumn of their careers, taking risks but never did he fail miserably.

Add to that  the fact he constantly wanted those chirping in his ear to be replaced. He went through assistant after assistant yes he was a constant but his frontline coaches changed on a reasonably regular basis.

When Wenger shipped up in the PL he re invented Arsenal from changing training to  a focus on proper nutrition and rest. He was both radical and a success. The point is that he didn’t tweak that model and slowly but surely others improved on his innovations and not only caught Arsenal up but went significantly past them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Wow. That's interesting. 

That must mean when we lose a final the entire journey is ruined for you. I'd hate to have that much riding on a game.

Well no, you can look back on parts of a good run with fondness but I’d still take a trophy over a good CL run that doesn’t end in a win. 

Also I think I’m one of the few left that still values the FA Cup as a competition. 

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

Well no, you can look back on parts of a good run with fondness but I’d still take a trophy over a good CL run that doesn’t end in a win. 

Also I think I’m one of the few left that still values the FA Cup as a competition. 

I value it. Just i place it 3rd.

But hand on heart, I'd take a run to the champions League final over an fa cup win next year. Mainly because I think with a good wind, we could always win it, we could have won it in any year of the past 25 years. We could win it in any year of the next 25.

But we would really by making a statement if we reach the final of the CL. No one expects that. It will be devastating if we lose, but I'd be overjoyed to see us competing back at the top table. 

21 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Wow. That's interesting. 

That must mean when we lose a final the entire journey is ruined for you. I'd hate to have that much riding on a game.

I'd never trade a CL final for an fa cup win. I don't think we will be in a CL final for the next 5-10 years, I'd love to see us win a QF and Semi next year. I'd rather that than a league cup win!!

I was so much happier beating Everton and Pompy than losing to Utd in a clge final.

41 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I was so much happier beating Everton and Pompy than losing to Utd in a clge final.

Beating Liverpool in the CL semi and my feeling on the day of the CL was better than those two games. 

@bisright1 Your point about Spurs not trading a trophy for losing the CL final, do you not think it's all relative? We have had a fair amount of success over the last 10 years, both domestically and in Europe. Spurs in that same period have won absolutely nothing and would be desperate to win something and end that drought, regardless of what competition it is. 

I kind of see your point - alot of Chelsea fans cherish the memory of Wayne Bridge scoring the winner against Arsenal, despite us getting knocked out in the semis. With that though i have always seen that as a symbol of the change of power in London and i think that is why the goal holds alot of significance for us. 

If you would say to me that Chelsea would get to the CL final and lose, but win the FA cup in the same season, personally i would prefer the success of winning the FA cup.  

2 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

If you would say to me that Chelsea would get to the CL final and lose, but win the FA cup in the same season, personally i would prefer the success of winning the FA cup.  

Even next year? Imagine how big a statement it would be if SFL got us to the CL Final. 

It won't be as big a statement if we win another trophy. That's expected no matter what happens at Chelsea.

 

(I get your point about it being relative though. I imagine the tottenham fan base is fairly split. Some may just deny that winning trophies is even important considering how they never do).

 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Even next year? Imagine how big a statement it would be if SFL got us to the CL Final. 

It won't be as big a statement if we win another trophy. That's expected no matter what happens at Chelsea.

You can make all the statements you want, don't mean anything without a whole lot of silver to back it up.

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Even next year? Imagine how big a statement it would be if SFL got us to the CL Final. 

It would only be a statement if we built on it the following season though. Similarly with Spurs this season, it will only be a statement if they go one better next year, or win the league. Both of which i don't think will happen. 

3 minutes ago, coco said:

 

You can make all the statements you want, don't mean anything without a whole lot of silver to back it up.

If we get to the final of the CL next season. I expect we would be in a position to mount a title challenge the year after. Players will want to join Chelsea. Players will want to stay.

If we win the FA Cup next year. It means nothing. Just a nice day out and another trophy. 

Just now, bisright1 said:

If we get to the final of the CL next season. I expect we would be in a position to mount a title challenge the year after. Players will want to join Chelsea. Players will want to stay.

If we win the FA Cup next year. It means nothing. Just a nice day out and another trophy. 

We could get lucky with the draw in the CL, but for us to get anywhere near 1st/2nd the following season would be a massive ask.

On the FA cup, that's your personal opinion, but i can tell you without hesitation most Chelsea fans wouldn't agree with you.

33 minutes ago, coco said:

We could get lucky with the draw in the CL, but for us to get anywhere near 1st/2nd the following season would be a massive ask.

On the FA cup, that's your personal opinion, but i can tell you without hesitation most Chelsea fans wouldn't agree with you.

We won't agree on this. That's fine. I completely understand the other point of view. I'm spoilt. We've won 7 FA Cups in my life time. We've only been in 2 CL finals. I like what I never get to have. 

The way things are shaping up with Uefa's European super league plan, and Uefa's obvious dislike of the powerful EPL and Bundesliga and their stance against the super league, domestic silverware might be all that's on offer in seasons to come (in UK and Germany).