For a while now I have been wondering if it’s time for Chelsea to adopt a different operating model and have tried a couple of times to expand that thought

Seems  some has saved me the time and far more eloquently that I possibly could.

Thoughts?

 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/premier-league/2018-2019/_sto7314542/story.shtml

30 minutes ago, terraloon said:

For a while now I have been wondering if it’s time for Chelsea to adopt a different operating model and have tried a couple of times to expand that thought

Seems  some has saved me the time and far more eloquently that I possibly could.

Thoughts?

 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/premier-league/2018-2019/_sto7314542/story.shtml

Very well written article and I do agree. 

It comes down really to who our manager is, if its Frank (Think this is looking the most likely at this point) I believe that because he's such a beloved ex-player and probably the greatest to ever play for us, I feel like he can stay with us for a long time and build a whole new team using our youth. The transfer ban could possibly even be a blessing in disguise because we'll have no choice but to promote youth players and bring back some of the loan army as we cant sign anyone.

If we decide to go for another manager or stick with Sarri, no matter how well they do, the moment they hit a sour patch their job will be at risk and likely be replaced sooner rather than later. Whereas with a ex club legend, im not sure if that'll happen.

Roman has operated us the exact same way for 16 years.  Until he has a change in philosophy, we will continue to be run the same way.  If he didn't like the job Marina is doing, he would change it.  Remember, he's never hesitated to fire a manager when they didn't do a job.

The question will be how much power will Cech have, and what will be the dynamic between him and Marina.  If Cech is being brought in as a figurehead, or to keep a promise of a position with the club on retirement as a condition of letting him go to Arsenal, then there will be no change.  However, if having Cech is a legitimate footballing move, then it is encouraging.

Emenalo was brought in by Roman, so he was Roman's guy.  And if he was happy, he might have stayed.  So there was something there that made him consider moving to another team & country.  And maybe in looking back, perhaps this job was always promised to Cech on retirement which is why Emenalo was never replaced.  

Maybe Roman looks at the success of Liverpool & City, and sees some merit in changing the operating philosophy.

I don't agree with the article...If you point out that Chelsea has been winning the most and then somehow try to find a problem in that it's a flawed argument from the start of the discussion.

The fact is, now we are getting Cech in adminstration which is one of our legends and you know that sooner or later it's going to be Frank Lampard taking the manager job so I don't see anything wrong with the club doing business for the future. Sarri came here and is leaving because Juventus wants him, not because Chelsea would sack him so that fact also crushes this theory that we would have kept firing people left and right no matter what happens.

The most silly thing is this: 
"So what are the options? Well Chelsea can continue to bumble along as they are, hiring and firing, spending and hoarding, winning and losing. It is a proven model and they can keep on doing what they know, until Abramovich finally decides to pull the plug and suddenly the money dries up and the club starts to drastically free fall."

Every other club also hires and fires, spends and hoards and wins and loses, and even if Roman has been the best owner it doesn't mean that the club would suddenly go on a free fall to oblivion if Roman wasn't present in any way, with him Chelsea has built up one of the best academies and we don't need his money every year, fact is we have been spending on bad transfers and still won silverware so this argument of "you're only good till Roman gets bored of his toy" is at best laughable.

Edited June 13, 20197 yr by Gol15

On 13/06/2019 at 12:31, terraloon said:

For a while now I have been wondering if it’s time for Chelsea to adopt a different operating model and have tried a couple of times to expand that thought

Seems  some has saved me the time and far more eloquently that I possibly could.

Thoughts?

 

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/premier-league/2018-2019/_sto7314542/story.shtml

 

I stopped reading after the line that says we’ve fallen behind tottenham ?!?!   I quote;

 

Why couldn’t Chelsea do this? They spent their way to success under Abramovich, yet have fallen behind Liverpool and even Tottenham Hotspur, clubs who have not always spent as big and certainly not as consistently as Chelsea.

 

 

3 hours ago, Chelseaggo said:

 

I stopped reading after the line that says we’ve fallen behind tottenham ?!?!   I quote;

 

Why couldn’t Chelsea do this? They spent their way to success under Abramovich, yet have fallen behind Liverpool and even Tottenham Hotspur, clubs who have not always spent as big and certainly not as consistently as Chelsea.

 

I wonder how many Spurs fans would trade a CL final for an actual trophy? My thinking is plenty. 

An argument could be made that they have recruited better in recent years, they have close to the most sought after manager in Europe and they now have a new stadium, but in terms of trophies and the ability to attract players it's not really a comparison. Also add in the fact that we finished ahead of them in the league this year haha.

One of my least favourite things when football writers take parables from Americans and their sports management speak. If you're going to make a comparison please use a football club. 

Edited June 15, 20197 yr by Spiller86

4 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

 

I wonder how many Spurs fans would trade a CL final for an actual trophy? My thinking is plenty. 

An argument could be made that they have recruited better in recent years, they have close to the most sought after manager in Europe and they now have a new stadium, but in terms of trophies and the ability to attract players it's not really a comparison. Also add in the fact that we finished ahead of them in the league this year haha.

One of my least favourite things when football writers take parables from Americans and their sports management speak. If you're going to make a comparison please use a football club. 

I doubt they'd trade it for any trophy bar the premier league. 

14 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I doubt they'd trade it for any trophy bar the premier league. 

 I can tell you with 100% certainty you could not be more wrong. End of.

45 minutes ago, just said:

 I can tell you with 100% certainty you could not be more wrong. End of.

Happily trade our loss to United for a community shield lol

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I doubt they'd trade it for any trophy bar the premier league. 

That's daft. 

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I doubt they'd trade it for any trophy bar the premier league. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Losing any final is terrible particularly when you haven't won a trophy in 11 years.

https://sincespurslastwonatrophy.co.uk/

Anyway the idea they have gone around us is silly. Ask someone whether they'd prefer to play at Spurs or Chelsea (assuming they would get the same gametime) and the answer for most players is easy.

9 hours ago, just said:

 I can tell you with 100% certainty you could not be more wrong. End of.

 

8 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Happily trade our loss to United for a community shield lol

 

7 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

That's daft. 

 

5 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Losing any final is terrible particularly when you haven't won a trophy in 11 years.

https://sincespurslastwonatrophy.co.uk/

Anyway the idea they have gone around us is silly. Ask someone whether they'd prefer to play at Spurs or Chelsea (assuming they would get the same gametime) and the answer for most players is easy.

I'd rather Chelsea's trophy cabinet than a champions League loss, obviously. 

But I doubt a Tottenham fan would trade a league cup win for that journey to the final and that experience. I imagine they would be talking about the CL final for longer than the league cup win they had in - nope can't remember the year.  

Next season, they'd trade a final loss for a league cup, of course. But this was Tottenham on the big stage for the first time. It's never happened before. It was a European cup final, with everything that involves. 

If we'd lost in Munich, id still have been happier with that journey than some fa cup wins. Maybe that's just me. But give me the Barca semi over beating Portsmouth in the fa cup final any day. 

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

But give me the Barca semi over beating Portsmouth in the fa cup final any day. 

Not for me, I’d take the trophy all day long.  

5 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Not for me, I’d take the trophy all day long.  

Wow. That's interesting. 

That must mean when we lose a final the entire journey is ruined for you. I'd hate to have that much riding on a game.

I'd never trade a CL final for an fa cup win. I don't think we will be in a CL final for the next 5-10 years, I'd love to see us win a QF and Semi next year. I'd rather that than a league cup win!!

Winning is what it’s all about, Cup winners cup, League cup, FA cup, Europa League they all are great achievements in a long season. 

No one ever remembers the losing team in the semis or final bar controversial decisions.

A cup win over losing out in any competition is a no brainier...well I thought it was 

7 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Winning is what it’s all about, Cup winners cup, League cup, FA cup, Europa League they all are great achievements in a long season. 

No one ever remembers the losing team in the semis or final bar controversial decisions.

A cup win over losing out in any competition is a no brainier...well I thought it was 

I guarantee you more Tottenham fans will talk about beating Ajax in the CL semis than man city fans will talk about beating Chelsea in the league cup over the next 5 years. Do you remember who won the league cup last year? I bet you remember Liverpool lost to Madrid though. I bet that's more front of your mind. 

In fact, Tottenham fans will bring up "were you in Madrid" all the time I bet for decades. I got asked if I was in Moscow a few weeks ago. I don't think anyones talked about our win against Portsmouth in the fa cup since it happened. 

This idea that people don't remember the runners up (or being runners up) is a myth.

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I guarantee you more Tottenham fans will talk about beating Ajax in the CL semis than man city fans will talk about beating Chelsea in the league cup over the next 5 years. Do you remember who won the league cup last year? I bet you remember Liverpool lost to Madrid though. I bet that's more front of your mind. 

In fact, Tottenham fans will bring up "were you in Madrid" all the time I bet for decades. I got asked if I was in Moscow a few weeks ago. I don't think anyones talked about our win against Portsmouth in the fa cup since it happened. 

This idea that people don't remember the runners up (or being runners up) is a myth.

If you can get yourself down to Stevenage next Saturday I'll meet up with you and take you to a pub where you can ask numerous Tottenham supporters who went to Madrid if they got more joy and pleasure from being beaten in that final, and by another English club to boot! Or by the pleasure they got the last time they won a League Cup, which was against us in 2008.

Now stop being silly.

someone needs a dose of coffee.

25 minutes ago, just said:

If you can get yourself down to Stevenage next Saturday I'll meet up with you and take you to a pub where you can ask numerous Tottenham supporters who went to Madrid if they got more joy and pleasure from being beaten in that final, and by another English club to boot! Or by the pleasure they got the last time they won a League Cup, which was against us in 2008.

Now stop being silly.

Maybe the difference is when I think of a final, I think of a quarter final and a semi final. And I think of the experience on the day, waking up, buzzed from 9am.

If I was a Tottenham fan, id prefer the journey. Beating city. Beating Ajax. The day of the game, the week before. For one league cup win. 

When you talk now of a final, you think purely of the 90 minutes. If that's how I thought, of course I'd rather a league cup win. But that's not what I'm talking about. 

Can I ask, why is poch more in demand than Wenger? Wenger won 2 fa cups while poch was here. Would people regard Simeone as a great manager if atletico Madrid didn't reach the cl final? Do you know how many Copa del Rey's atletico Madrid have won? 

Edited June 16, 20197 yr by bisright1

27 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I guarantee you more Tottenham fans will talk about beating Ajax in the CL semis than man city fans will talk about beating Chelsea in the league cup over the next 5 years. Do you remember who won the league cup last year? I bet you remember Liverpool lost to Madrid though. I bet that's more front of your mind. 

In fact, Tottenham fans will bring up "were you in Madrid" all the time I bet for decades. I got asked if I was in Moscow a few weeks ago. I don't think anyones talked about our win against Portsmouth in the fa cup since it happened. 

This idea that people don't remember the runners up (or being runners up) is a myth.

I’m sorry but it honestly seems you are very out of touch with football 

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

.If I was a Tottenham fan, 

If I was Tottenham fan I would be miserable.

Anyway I have no idea where you going with your last post, nor do I have any interest. So I'm out.

8 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

I’m sorry but it honestly seems you are very out of touch with football 

Am I?

We bring up the barcelona semi final win a lot more than any league cup win we've ever had. Would we no longer talk about that game if we lost the final to Bayern?

Can't see how people disagree with that. 

Edited June 16, 20197 yr by bisright1

4 minutes ago, just said:

If I was Tottenham fan I would be miserable.

That I can agree with. 

12 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Am I?

We bring up the barcelona semi final win a lot more than any league cup win we've ever had. Would we no longer talk about that game if we lost the final to Bayern?

Can't see how people disagree with that. 

What was the question again ?

3 minutes ago, coco said:

What was the question again ?

Would Tottenham fans go back in time and exit the champions League at the group stage in exchange for winning the league cup. 

I say they wouldn't. Some people think I'm a lunatic.