The Dutch photo journalist who covered the violence in Amsterdam said that the Tel Aviv fans were shaperoned by "government/agent type" figures.

Lets not forget a poll in Israel that shows racism to have grown in their stadia... Then there is Bieter Jerusalem... Anyhow, As British football fans have found out to their costs, a "small minority" ruins it for the majority.

I’ll put my cards on the table here and admit to being Pro-Israeli before I make any statement on the matter.

However I also have the misfortune of driving through Birmingham most days and it’s essentially Little Gaza. It has become an absolute third world sh*thole.

The Police in this instance were actually right, allowing 5,000+ Jewish supporters into that city would 100% have started a riot.

The local Imam’s would whip up all the impressionable youth with that River to the Sea bo**ocks and all those extremist groups that hang onto the tails of any situation to cause trouble (Antifa, UAF etc) would come out in force.

It would go beyond football.

Yes it appears Anti-Semitic at first glance but for once it’s actually the right call.

Also anyone who thinks Maccabi supporters are ‘extreme’ haven’t seen Beitar then 😂

Edited October 21, 2025Oct 21 by The Boehly Babes

3 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I’ll put my cards on the table here and admit to being Pro-Israeli before I make any statement on the matter.

However I also have the misfortune of driving through Birmingham most days and it’s essentially Little Gaza. It has become an absolute third world sh*thole.

The Police in this instance were actually right, allowing 5,000+ Jewish supporters into that city would 100% have started a riot.

The local Imam’s would whip up all the impressionable youth with that River to the Sea bo**ocks and all those extremist groups that hang onto the tails of any situation to cause trouble (Antifa, UAF etc) would come out in force.

It would go beyond football.

Yes it appears Anti-Semitic at first glance but for once it’s actually the right call.

Also anyone who thinks Maccabi supporters are ‘extreme’ haven’t seen Beitar then 😂

Yes there's a pragmatic approach here.

World politics exist. It clearly doesn't stop when football happens. And whilst the imams would probably do that, so would the ultras of Maccabi, as they did in Amsterdam.

Football is not more important than what would probably happen, which is someone dying.

17 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Yes there's a pragmatic approach here.

World politics exist. It clearly doesn't stop when football happens. And whilst the imams would probably do that, so would the ultras of Maccabi, as they did in Amsterdam.

Football is not more important than what would probably happen, which is someone dying.

100% there would be multiple fatalities and I’d hazard that the ensuing ‘copycat riots’ would last a good few days.

There’s a reason Kosovo don’t play Serbia, Armenia don’t play Azerbaijan etc. There’s an international precedent been set if not at club level.

Could always play behind closed walls, ie no supporters.

Villa won't like it, loss of revenue.

Heavy police escort for players coaches.

21 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I’ll put my cards on the table here and admit to being Pro-Israeli before I make any statement on the matter.

However I also have the misfortune of driving through Birmingham most days and it’s essentially Little Gaza. It has become an absolute third world sh*thole.

The Police in this instance were actually right, allowing 5,000+ Jewish supporters into that city would 100% have started a riot.

The local Imam’s would whip up all the impressionable youth with that River to the Sea bo**ocks and all those extremist groups that hang onto the tails of any situation to cause trouble (Antifa, UAF etc) would come out in force.

It would go beyond football.

Yes it appears Anti-Semitic at first glance but for once it’s actually the right call.

Also anyone who thinks Maccabi supporters are ‘extreme’ haven’t seen Beitar then 😂

Not necessarily disagreeing, just feel like if Birmingham is an unsafe area for anyone, then they shouldn't be able to host European football. If a city can't handle everyone then at minimum a change of venue should happen. I just think it's pure cowardice on UEFA's part IMO to let this happen and opens a slippery slope.

On 21/10/2025 at 06:38, The Boehly Babes said:

However I also have the misfortune of driving through Birmingham most days and it’s essentially Little Gaza. It has become an absolute third world sh*thole.

4 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

Not necessarily disagreeing, just feel like if Birmingham is an unsafe area for anyone, then they shouldn't be able to host European football. If a city can't handle everyone then at minimum a change of venue should happen. I just think it's pure cowardice on UEFA's part IMO to let this happen and opens a slippery slope.

Birmingham is not some no go area sh*thole, thats hyperbolic nonsense., Ive been several times the past few years and had a great time in the city with zero problems.

This ban is nothing to do with Birmingham city, its nothing to do with UEFA or FIFA, its entirely to do with the Macabi fans being a bunch of utter c**ts with a history of extreme violence.

On 21/10/2025 at 06:38, The Boehly Babes said:

I’ll put my cards on the table here and admit to being Pro-Israeli before I make any statement on the matter.

However I also have the misfortune of driving through Birmingham most days and it’s essentially Little Gaza. It has become an absolute third world sh*thole.

The Police in this instance were actually right, allowing 5,000+ Jewish supporters into that city would 100% have started a riot.

The local Imam’s would whip up all the impressionable youth with that River to the Sea bo**ocks and all those extremist groups that hang onto the tails of any situation to cause trouble (Antifa, UAF etc) would come out in force.

It would go beyond football.

Yes it appears Anti-Semitic at first glance but for once it’s actually the right call.

Also anyone who thinks Maccabi supporters are ‘extreme’ haven’t seen Beitar then 😂

It was the initial violence and racism of Maccabi fans that caused the problems in Amsterdam. The kind of racism that normally gets a ban from EUFA anyway. In Greece Maccabi fans punched and kicked a guy to the floor and then continued the attack . He was holding a Palestinian flag. It's on YouTube.

Singing and celebrating the deaths of Palestinian children as they did in Amsterdam would undoubtedly have led to a violent response in Birmingham, obnoxious racism should have no place in football , wherever it comes from .

On 20/10/2025 at 23:30, Scott Harris said:

I said by our own country. UEFA banning a teams fans and a countries local authorities banning fans is a very different thing.

Maccabi fans do not have the same history of violence like that of Legia fans, yet Legia fans are allowed to attend away games. If we are going to use Amsterdam as an example, something that happened a year ago, then I assume they will be banned from every away game, right? Something tells me that won't be happening. And if we are going to use the violence from a year ago to justify a reason for banning them, then why do we not have a history of doing the same for other clubs? By this logic, every single club that has caused trouble away from home should be banned from attending football matches in England.

Polish fans have been banned several times...

Legia Warsaw: Uefa bans Polish side from selling tickets to fans for next five away games

They have had ticket sales stopped by their own club they have in effect banned themselves. They know they cannot behave.

Edited October 22, 2025Oct 22 by OTL

There was no fuss from the media when fans were banned from attending games in England previously.

Ajax have been banned by Uefa from selling tickets to their supporters for their trip to Stamford Bridge next month.

Likewise, Eintracht Frankfurt have been banned from selling tickets to their fans for the Europa League clash against Arsenal in north London on November 8

Edited October 22, 2025Oct 22 by The Rising Sun

24 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Polish fans have been banned several times...

Legia Warsaw: Uefa bans Polish side from selling tickets to fans for next five away games

UEFA banned them, not our own local authorities. Big difference.

Like I said, Maccabi Tel Aviv fans don't even have a long history of violence. They aren't even in the top 100 for that kind of thing. If local authorities are banning them, then shouldn't they also be banning Legia fans indefinitely from here on out seeing as they have a much much worse history of violence? Same can be said for many other clubs.

We all know what this is really about, and MP's like this d**khead prove that.

I thought this was about Hooliganism?

Funny how I am hearing a lot of these MP's speak up now and never before when it comes to travelling fans. Why don't we get MP's speaking out like this when we have Serbian fans being a bunch of racists to England players? England play them next, why aren't they banned by local authorities and why aren't MP's speaking out against them?

Either ban all fans for a so called history of violence or none at all.

9 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Either ban all fans for a so called history of violence or none at all.

9 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

UEFA.

I thought this was about Hooliganism?

Funny how I am hearing a lot of these MP's speak up now and never before when it comes to travelling fans. Why don't we get MP's speaking out like this when we have Serbian fans being a bunch of racists to England players? England play them next, why aren't they banned by local authorities and why aren't MP's speaking out against them?

Either ban all fans for a so called history of violence or none at all.

11 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

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EUFA should have banned Maccabi fans, they ban fans all the time especially when it comes to racism.. Barca got a fan ban last season.for some of their fans giving Nazi salutes

But you know the old anti-Semitism accusation is enough to gag any criticism.. There's more uproar in Parliament and the press about their fans being banned than there has been about what has been going on in Gaza

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14 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

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8 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

EUFA should have banned Maccabi fans, they ban fans all the time especially when it comes to racism.. Barca got a fan ban last season.for some of their fans giving Nazi salutes

But you know the old anti-Semitism accusation is enough to gag any criticism.. There's more uproar in Parliament and the press about their fans being banned than there has been about what has been going on in Gaza

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Exactly this,

Uefa have treated Maccabi fans differently, positively if anything.

Maccabi banned themselves.

The Israeli police can openly criticise the violent behaviour of Maccabi fans in Tel Aviv just a few days ago and call the game off.

Aviv derby cancelled due to violent fan clashes ahead of Aston Villa trip

Maccabi Tel Aviv's showdown against Hapoel Tel Aviv was called off on Sunday night at Bloomfield Stadium due to "serious disorder and violence" and the news comes after Aston Villa banned Israeli side's fans for this week's Europa League tie.

Nine Maccabi supporters were arrested and Israeli police called for the game to be postponed owing to “risks to human life”, with officers hurt in “serious violence”.

“Disorderly conduct, riots, injured police officers and damage to infrastructure – this is not a football game, this is a breach of order and serious violence

Edited October 22, 2025Oct 22 by The Rising Sun
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I simply put it this way, What would happen to Chelsea/ UK club/ international fans went to Tel Aviv and started hissing? Or chanting about the virtues of the October 7th Attack and started beating up locals carrying Israeli flags? We would be banned and the condemnation would be astonishing. The entire debate in PArliament this week has ignored 20 years of Kick it out campaigning and UK efforts to eradicate football hooliganism. Mind-boggling.

Birmingham a third world sh*thole? No... not at all... Have a google search to see how different places of worship are literally a street away from one another, so I dont even think this is about the faith of supporters (given Villa have Jewish fans who will attend the game as other sets of fans do who go weekly) and everything to do with EU police intel sharing and deciding the risk isnt worth the outlay of a group with a very recent and visible track record in smashing up places and causing trouble.

Surely the onus needs to be on Maccabi to eradicate the violent fans from attending the games, as UK authorities have done for the past 20 years with banning orders and confiscating passports? Or are the Maccabi fans not capable of committing serious offences at football matches?

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

EUFA should have banned Maccabi fans, they ban fans all the time especially when it comes to racism.. Barca got a fan ban last season.for some of their fans giving Nazi salutes

But you know the old anti-Semitism accusation is enough to gag any criticism.. There's more uproar in Parliament and the press about their fans being banned than there has been about what has been going on in Gaza

Yes, they should have banned them, but I don't see why a whole year later our own authorities should be banning them now when we allow fans from all over Europe with a history of racism and violence to also attend.

I'm going to keep bringing up previous teams because the precedent has been set now. Legia fans should not be allowed to attend any game in England because they can't be trusted to behave. Same goes for Celtic, same goes for Serbia fans, don't even get me started on the likes of Millwall. If none of you hold that same energy towards them that you do for Maccabi fans, then you're hypocrites.

I'm 100% certain this is politically driven at this point, when you have stupid c**ts like Sultana saying they shouldn't even be allowed into the country and should be investigated for war crimes the moment they set foot on British soil.

Imagine if anybody had said we can't have anybody enter the country from any middle eastern country because they may be a terrorist. They would be charged for racism on the spot.

Edited October 22, 2025Oct 22 by Scott Harris

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Yes, they should have banned them, but I don't see why a whole year later our own authorities should be banning them now when we allow fans from all over Europe with a history of racism and violence to also attend.

I'm going to keep bringing up previous teams because the precedent has been set now. Legia fans should not be allowed to attend any game in England because they can't be trusted to behave. Same goes for Celtic, same goes for Serbia fans, don't even get me started on the likes of Millwall. If none of you hold that same energy towards them that you do for Maccabi fans, then you're hypocrites.

I'm 100% certain this is politically driven at this point, when you have stupid c**ts like Sultana saying they shouldn't even be allowed into the country and should be investigated for war crimes the moment they set foot on British soil.

Imagine if anybody had said we can't have anybody enter the country from any middle eastern country because they may be a terrorist. They would be charged for racism on the spot.

People being treated differently in a world where everyone should be treated the same - shocker.

Im trying to find it in my heart to feel sorry for Maccabi hooligans not being able to purchase tickets for the Villa game.

Their own club has instigated the non sale of tickets should Maccabi Haifa F.C be taken to task for this lack of equality?

Or should Uefa insist on Maccabi selling tickets to their fans and hooligans?

This issue of Uk policing or lack of it has been trumped by Maccabis decision.

Im not a hypocrite Scott but you may be pissing in the wind.

Edited October 22, 2025Oct 22 by OTL

18 minutes ago, OTL said:

People being treated differently in a world where everyone should be treated the same - shocker.

Im trying to find it in my heart to feel sorry for Maccabi hooligans not being able to purchase tickets for the Villa game.

Their own club has instigated the non sale of tickets should Maccabi Haifa F.C be taken to task for this lack of equality?

Or should Uefa insist on Maccabi selling tickets to their fans and hooligans?

This issue of Uk policing or lack of it has been trumped by Maccabis decision.

Im not a hypocrite Scott but you may be pissing in the wind.

We've been over this already. Maccabi not making tickets available was after the fact that they were banned. They wouldn't have felt the need to do that had they not been banned.

Just answer this simple question, should Legia fans have been banned when we played them at Stamford Bridge in the Conference League? If you say no, then I stand by my opinion that you're a hypocrite. If we can ban clubs fans from attending games based on a short history of violence, then we should certainly be banning fans with a long history of violence. If we're not going to do that, then I am going to assume that banning them is politically motivated at least and racially motivated at the worst.

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

We've been over this already. Maccabi not making tickets available was after the fact that they were banned. They wouldn't have felt the need to do that had they not been banned.

Just answer this simple question, should Legia fans have been banned when we played them at Stamford Bridge in the Conference League? If you say no, then I stand by my opinion that you're a hypocrite. If we can ban clubs fans from attending games based on a short history of violence, then we should certainly be banning fans with a long history of violence. If we're not going to do that, then I am going to assume that banning them is politically motivated at least and racially motivated at the worst.

Scott calm down and read back through all of my posts, at no point have i expressed an opinion but simply stated facts and occurrences. Nothing more nothing less. You clearly feel strongly about the issue. To suggest there is hypocrisy unless your views are agreed with isnt sensible. I dont have any energy of which you speak but suggest you start up a protest march for your cause. Good Luck.

5 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

In Greece Maccabi fans punched and kicked a guy to the floor and then continued the attack . He was holding a Palestinian flag. It's on YouTube.

Bit like a red rag to a bull this though, not to say the fan got what he rightly deserved, but after the atrocities of the October 7th attacks by the Hamas Terrorists hiding behind the ‘Palestinian’ flag then it’s tantamount to making airplane gestures to Utd fans or waving a Galatasary shirt at Leeds. It’s antagonising and only going to end one way.

Either way that’s exactly what would have happened in Birmingham but on a much much larger scale if Macabi had come.

Thankfully they’ve held themselves back and we can all breathe a sigh of relief.

6 hours ago, dkw said:

Birmingham is not some no go area sh*thole, thats hyperbolic nonsense., Ive been several times the past few years and had a great time in the city with zero problems.

I’m going to politely disagree with this, although it’s taking the thread massively off tangent.

We’ve been doing Major Projects work in Birmingham for the last decade or so and it’s certainly got some definite no go areas.

Small Heath & Sparkbrook in particular, I will say that it’s mainly those in the 16-40 category.

But we weren’t allowed to use any of the local shops, vans were constantly bricked and the site vandalised. This hasn’t happened anywhere else bar Luton in my entire career on that scale.

Personal experiences can always be different obviously and it’s great you’ve enjoyed the city, Bullring & Broad Street can be fantastic but there are certainly no go areas which would 100% be exaggerated were Jewish fans to enter the city. That’s all.

4 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

UEFA banned them, not our own local authorities. Big difference.

Like I said, Maccabi Tel Aviv fans don't even have a long history of violence. They aren't even in the top 100 for that kind of thing. If local authorities are banning them, then shouldn't they also be banning Legia fans indefinitely from here on out seeing as they have a much much worse history of violence? Same can be said for many other clubs.

We all know what this is really about, and MP's like this d**khead prove that.

I thought this was about Hooliganism?

Funny how I am hearing a lot of these MP's speak up now and never before when it comes to travelling fans. Why don't we get MP's speaking out like this when we have Serbian fans being a bunch of racists to England players? England play them next, why aren't they banned by local authorities and why aren't MP's speaking out against them?

Either ban all fans for a so called history of violence or none at all.

To be fair you're seeing a lot of MPs speaking up on both sides who have absolutely zero idea what's going on. https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1980318365395939669

37 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I’m going to politely disagree with this, although it’s taking the thread massively off tangent.

We’ve been doing Major Projects work in Birmingham for the last decade or so and it’s certainly got some definite no go areas.

Small Heath & Sparkbrook in particular, I will say that it’s mainly those in the 16-40 category.

But we weren’t allowed to use any of the local shops, vans were constantly bricked and the site vandalised. This hasn’t happened anywhere else bar Luton in my entire career on that scale.

Personal experiences can always be different obviously and it’s great you’ve enjoyed the city, Bullring & Broad Street can be fantastic but there are certainly no go areas which would 100% be exaggerated were Jewish fans to enter the city. That’s all.

So exactly the same as pretty much every major city in the world then. Ive seen and know of the exact same things your talking about in many many other places. to try and dramatise this as being Birmingham only i nonsense.

Its not a ghetto, its nothing like Gaza, thats just also nonsense.

1 hour ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I’m going to politely disagree with this, although it’s taking the thread massively off tangent.

We’ve been doing Major Projects work in Birmingham for the last decade or so and it’s certainly got some definite no go areas.

Small Heath & Sparkbrook in particular, I will say that it’s mainly those in the 16-40 category.

But we weren’t allowed to use any of the local shops, vans were constantly bricked and the site vandalised. This hasn’t happened anywhere else bar Luton in my entire career on that scale.

Personal experiences can always be different obviously and it’s great you’ve enjoyed the city, Bullring & Broad Street can be fantastic but there are certainly no go areas which would 100% be exaggerated were Jewish fans to enter the city. That’s all.

No go area for you, That's on you, but those areas are homes and communities for a lot of people and what were the projects, perhaps they were the reason for the bricks?

Where else is a no go area for you in the UK?