Posted June 8, 200916 yr For all too long you have criticised English football and in particular the amount of money being put into it and spent. Well now we have Real Madrid doing what they always used to do and apparently they have a kitty of 200m euro to spend. Haven't heard a peep out of you yet though young sir.
June 9, 200916 yr he's hugely tedious, isn't he? I doubt he'll say anything... I find a lot of what he says is contrary to what he seems to believe... if a non traditional european power did half of the things madrid under perez have done in the last decade or so he'd have thrown the book at them before he'd even finished writing it. saying that, on a football level I don't understand how a £56m transfer is more or less immoral than a £30m transfer for example... it's monopoly money in the end- if you think about what the money in football could be used for on a humanitarian level for example... then every transfer is immoral. would also like to say... this won't cost madrid anything near £56m. the amount of money in shirt sales could make him cheaper than lassana diarra for example... it's kind of why I wouldn't mind us spending this much on a player, because ultimately it is just a number- the true cost of players is very hard to judge. you have to look at shirt sales, wages, what they are eventually sold for, what they win, whether they raise the profile... we do a lot of agonising about transfer fees and so on but I find the argument quite flawed.
June 9, 200916 yr I echo what G4 says and would go one further. I think that within a year or two this move will pay for itself in shirt sales and promotional tours. The Galacticos system failed because the team became too unbalanced and the on the field product failed. But even in the dying days of it they were still making untold millions. I remember hearing the day Beckham was signed they sold 60k shirts with his name on it in the city of Madrid alone. Obviously all of that doesnt go to them, but if they can find a way to balance players like Kaka and Ronaldo (who I have no doubt is on the way next summer) and build a successful team on the pitch then god knows how far they can go. It will be interesting to see a star laden Madrid play against Messi's Barca As far as the man who is the face of European football, his absence from the press during this extended saga should be proof positive to Patrick Barclay (and any other blind f**kers that still deny he is obsessed with deriding English football) that he is about one thing and one thing only: breaking the Premiership's superiority. Madrid are a club that are already in debt, but are not fiscally responsible for it because they are iconic. Shady dealings everywhere. If anything, this should draw particular ire from anyone who truly cares about the health of the game. A transfer was prolonged and blocked by the Prime Minister of Italy until he was sure his party wouldnt lose any votes over it. Using football as a political tool like that sets a strange precedent. I have very little respect left for Berlusconi's Milan after this.
June 9, 200916 yr I have very little respect left for Berlusconi's Milan after this. I'm surprised you ever had any respect for him... :)
June 9, 200916 yr Platini will call it "the beautiful transfer, of a beautiful player, between 2 great and beautiful teams.
June 9, 200916 yr Platini will call it "the beautiful transfer, of a beautiful player, between 2 great and beautiful teams. Possibley, but after the way he presented Barca with the European cup a few weeks ago, I think I know where his legencies lie in Spain.
June 9, 200916 yr I'm surprised you ever had any respect for him... ;) Thats true, but before I usually blamed Galliani, probably because he was so ugly. But seen Berlusconi squirm and double talk during this saga has been bordering on sad. Also, the way he ripped Ancelotti and claimed credit for Milan's success was laughable. I'd like to see him pick the team every week and watch what happens
June 9, 200916 yr Platini will call it "the beautiful transfer, of a beautiful player, between 2 great and beautiful teams. Nail on head there . ;)
June 9, 200916 yr For all too long you have criticised English football and in particular the amount of money being put into it and spent. Well now we have Real Madrid doing what they always used to do and apparently they have a kitty of 200m euro to spend. Haven't heard a peep out of you yet though young sir. Pah! I tip mon beret at a jaunty angle and direct my garlic breath at yew, Mr Ongleash Geezer. Youse stupids stiff lip types, you will nevair win becorrs it is un rule for Le Ongleash and anudder rulez for ever body else. Anyways dis is OK becorrs like Monsieur CoCo says, dis is the beautiful transfer, of a beautiful player, between 2 great and beautiful teams. Now if yew will excuses me I am trying to enjoys a cheeky Beaujolais wiz mon amis, Monsieur Galliard, Monsieur Overebo, Monsieur Blatter and Monsieur Liam. PS: We only invite Monsieur Liam ever time so he can pay le bill. Michel P.
June 9, 200916 yr Platini will call it "the beautiful transfer, of a beautiful player, between 2 great and beautiful teams. :unsure:
June 9, 200916 yr Apparently they are really close to signing Villa (or was it Silva?) too and with him and Kaka they will have spent like €100.000.000 :o Take those two and add Zidane and I guess they will have spent more on 3 players than all of our signings since Roman came combined. But of course we're still be bad guys. After all we are handed free money buy a rich russian while Real Madrid simple borrow theirs from a bank without paying them back. Shame on us!
June 10, 200916 yr the rumours are madrid are going to put themselves £200 mill or more into debt to finance this transfer window. i wonder how pratini will feel about this. it isnt coming from perez at all, hes moving the club into debt.
June 10, 200916 yr the rumours are madrid are going to put themselves £200 mill or more into debt to finance this transfer window. i wonder how pratini will feel about this. it isnt coming from perez at all, hes moving the club into debt. Like Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. It's a damaging outlook of modern football, if and when TV reduce their bids or pull the plug, football will receive a huge wake-up call. Lower league clubs are still coming to terms with the fall-out of ITV digitals default in revenue. I agree Platini singles out English clubs for critism, but if you look at some of the biggest clubs in the world, with the biggest turn-overs, they are all in massive debt. Surely that can't be right, and will all end in tears somewhere along the lines, just look at the fall-out clubs like Leeds to see how mismanagement changes fortunes. Edited June 10, 200916 yr by BLUENUT
June 10, 200916 yr "Zut! Merde alors! Sacré bleu! Vieux con! Sale mec!" In all my time living in a French-speaking country, I never heard a single person say 'Sacré bleu'. Have you?
June 10, 200916 yr Like Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal.It's a damaging outlook of modern football, if and when TV reduce their bids or pull the plug, football will receive a huge wake-up call. Lower league clubs are still coming to terms with the fall-out of ITV digitals default in revenue. I agree Platini singles out English clubs for critism, but if you look at some of the biggest clubs in the world, with the biggest turn-overs, they are all in massive debt. Surely that can't be right, and will all end in tears somewhere along the lines, just look at the fall-out clubs like Leeds to see how mismanagement changes fortunes. exactly my point. he singled out english clubs yet madrid did exactly this last time perez was in charge and were bailed out by the local government buying their training ground of them and leasing it back at a minuiscule amount. and as you said, most big clubs in europe are in debt to some extent. indeed italian clubs are massively in the sh*t. the only thing keeping madrid and barca ahead of the collectors is the fact they have their own tv deals worht around £120 mill - £150 mill each. which in turn is making it very difficult for the lesser clubs to get tv money. but again, no mention from our beloved platini.
June 10, 200916 yr exactly my point. he singled out english clubs yet madrid did exactly this last time perez was in charge and were bailed out by the local government buying their training ground of them and leasing it back at a minuiscule amount. and as you said, most big clubs in europe are in debt to some extent. indeed italian clubs are massively in the sh*t. the only thing keeping madrid and barca ahead of the collectors is the fact they have their own tv deals worht around £120 mill - £150 mill each. which in turn is making it very difficult for the lesser clubs to get tv money. but again, no mention from our beloved platini. Yeah I agree mate, we were the enemies of football for having a sugar daddy like Roman, but if Madrid lend money from their local council and default on the payment, it doesn't get a mention! The 5 national's rule Platini wants to exercise was trying to curb the English clubs dominance in Europe, when you look at the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, it could have a huge effect, but when you look at Chelsea and Manu, it'd hardly have any impact at all. It'll probably effect Spanish and Germans more than the English, but they were never mentioned, it was all brought about because 'something had to be done to stop the English'. What are the chances with our current world cup bid? Only brown envelopes nudge, nudge, wink , wink, will ever see that come to fruition. Chelsea are not the enemies of football, we are the new kids on the enemy isle, nothing more. Was Platini playing for Juve during Hysel? Is he French? You don't have to dig deep to find reasons for him to hate us (the English that is)!
June 10, 200916 yr In all my time living in a French-speaking country, I never heard a single person say 'Sacré bleu'. Have you? No, it's just in Tintin comics! Which is where Platini belongs!
June 10, 200916 yr No, it's just in Tintin comics! Which is where Platini belongs! I'm sure Captain Haddock would have a few well chosen words for Platini. :P
June 10, 200916 yr I'm sure Captain Haddock would have a few well chosen words for Platini. :P I have a feeling that for once, "Saperlipopette" and "Tonnerre de Brest" wouldn't be amongst them.
June 10, 200916 yr English journos should really be hunting down Mr. Platini for quotes right now. How does the head honcho of European football not share his opinion on the summer's biggest transfer? God knows he has an opinion on everything else
June 10, 200916 yr Yeah I agree mate, we were the enemies of football for having a sugar daddy like Roman, but if Madrid lend money from their local council and default on the payment, it doesn't get a mention!The 5 national's rule Platini wants to exercise was trying to curb the English clubs dominance in Europe, when you look at the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, it could have a huge effect, but when you look at Chelsea and Manu, it'd hardly have any impact at all. It'll probably effect Spanish and Germans more than the English, but they were never mentioned, it was all brought about because 'something had to be done to stop the English'. What are the chances with our current world cup bid? Only brown envelopes nudge, nudge, wink , wink, will ever see that come to fruition. Chelsea are not the enemies of football, we are the new kids on the enemy isle, nothing more. Was Platini playing for Juve during Hysel? Is he French? You don't have to dig deep to find reasons for him to hate us (the English that is)! That Bluenut is an absolutely superb post. :P A very astute interpretation of the reasoning behind UEFA's polliticking re: the proposed 6+5 rule. The only point I would pick up on is the comment about us not being the enemies of football. Though you're right about Blatter and Platini, (indeed UEFA as a whole), desparately trying anything to curb the dominance of EPL clubs, I really do believe, unquestionably, that they have an extra special dislike of us. Incidentally, I found this while researching for this post. Interesting stuff. http://soccerlens.com/how-the-65-rule-woul...-chelsea/27213/
June 10, 200916 yr That Bluenut is an absolutely superb post. :P A very astute interpretation of the reasoning behind UEFA's polliticking re: the proposed 6+5 rule.The only point I would pick up on is the comment about us not being the enemies of football. Though you're right about Blatter and Platini, (indeed UEFA as a whole), desparately trying anything to curb the dominance of EPL clubs, I really do believe, unquestionably, that they have an extra special dislike of us. Incidentally, I found this while researching for this post. Interesting stuff. http://soccerlens.com/how-the-65-rule-woul...-chelsea/27213/ That was an interesting read. I'm not sure what our first team would look like with the 6+5 rule deployed. Something like this? -----------------------Cech ---Mancienne----Alex------Terry----Ashley -----------------------Essien ----------Ballack----------------Lampard ---Joey-------------Drogba-----------Sinclair That's not all that bad to be fair. Ballack should be dropped from the starting line up though, to be replaced with someone like VDV or Pirlo possibly. But Sinclair's a tricky winger, and if we get Young like the guy says in the article, then he'd play on the left, with Sinclair as his understudy. The 3 players I see us signing this summer are Ashley Young, Daniel Sturridge and Yuri Zhirkov. Issue. What happens if we sign Zhirkov? Which foreigner loses his place? Issue. What happens if we sign Sturridge? Does Drogba lose his spot to Sturridge to then accomodate Zhirkov? Issue. What happens if we sign Young? Zhirkov will then be used as a squad player, and he doesn't want that. Those 3 issues all revolve around Zhirkov. So I'm afraid we may well have to miss out on him and get Young instead. It simply wouldn't work with the 6+5 rule. Something I'm not quite sure about though. Do you have to have 6 Englishmen on the field at all times? Or just starting the game?
June 10, 200916 yr It's just UEFA being c**ts as usual, nothing will come of it! They're probably working a new formula how to fix games out of the Champions League!
June 10, 200916 yr It's just UEFA being c**ts as usual, nothing will come of it! They're probably working a new formula how to fix games out of the Champions League! Hot of the press..... Uefa says that Fifa's proposed "6+5" rule to limit foreign players will never be applied in Europe. "It is a restriction based on nationality. It is not legal. We will not apply it in Europe," said William Gaillard, Uefa's director of communications and an advisor to Uefa's president, Michel Platini. "We have our own rules in place," said Gaillard, speaking at the Play the Game conference at Coventry University. For Uefa club competitions, squads of 25 must include at least four players that clubs have trained themselves for at least three years between 16 and 21, plus at least four more trained by another club in the same country. The system does not discriminate on grounds of nationality. Similar rules will be introduced by the Premier League from 2010 onwards. Fifa's President, Sepp Blatter, still wants a global 6+5 rule, which dictates at least six home-grown players musts start each club game. Gaillard also refuted suggestions that Uefa is determined to "sort out" England's "big four" clubs to prevent frequent repeats of recent late-stage domination of the Champions' League by Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. "We've never discussed ways to stop the English," he told The Independent. "Dominance is cyclical. In the late 70s and early 80s, it was English clubs every year [winning the European Cup]. Before that Bayern Munich, before that Ajax won for three years, in the 50s it was just one club, Real Madrid. "Which club is best is not something that spurs any kind of discussion at Uefa about measures to be taken. What we do discuss is sustainability and predictability." While acknowledging the very different markets that preclude European football being structured like American sports, he praised USA's sports models, especially "in the socialist republic of the NFL". "They are profitable, stable, have great attendances, good chances of winning across the leagues, no crooked agents, a good record of keeping unfit owners out, and have sustained performance in an economic crisis," he said. Citing no specific examples, Gaillard said "leveraged" buyouts (LBOs) are a particular bugbear in European football, when owners use debt to buy clubs. Manchester United and Liverpool were bought like this. Arsenal and Chelsea were not. "What do LBOs add to football?" Gaillard said. "Nothing. We want financial fair play, hopefully by consensus. But if we can't get it by consensus, we'll enforce it through rules." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...pe-1701844.html No 6+5 then, but the schemeing bastads have other plans by the sounds of it.
