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The Worrying Decline of Petr Cech


Phillip
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Along the same lines as Just's thread, I am having more and more worries about Petr Cech's performance over the last two seasons.

1) Citeh's second goal was due solely to Petr Cech somehow thinking that he should anticipate Tevez's shot and move to his left (behind the wall) right before Tevez makes contact with the ball. Why would anyone do that? Are his keeper instincts inferior to others, like Given and Pepe Reina?

2) On penalties, Cech seems to do the same thing as 1), whereby he moves way too early, allowing the penalty taker to go to the other corner.

3) Cech seems to have a hard time with crosses that come to about 10 yards from the goal line. The cross by Citeh that Cech startly very belatedly out for was a prime example, whereby he never got within 5 yards of the ball, and Lescott got his head to the ball and would have scored, if not for a great play by Carvalho who ran back and headed the goal-ward bound Lescott header out for a corner. Again, instincts come into play here, and it is troubling to me.

4) Not really Cech's fault, but our defense kept back passing the ball to Cech, who whoofed it to the center line time and time again. It seemed like we had no confidence in our defense and midfield to pass the ball to an attacking position, something ManUnited does with aplomb.

Thoughts?

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I've been worried about Cech for some time. Still a good shot stopper, and capable of brilliant displays...but I feel he wouldn't often look outstanding if he doesn't have a good defence in front of him.

I'm rarely confident when a dangerous cross comes into the box. I'm never confident he will save a penalty (when I watch Given something in me says, I think he could save this).

But my main concern is certainly the susceptability to high deliveries into the box.

He's certainly not what he used to be. A very good keeper, but his weaknesses are more evident nowadays.

My favourite keeper in the world is Given. I think he's superb. I really like Cech, I just hope he returns to the form he showed in our premiership years, but it's looking increasingly unlikely. That head injury was a real blow.

But as keepers go, we could do a lot worse.

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There was a similar thread to this a little while back and I think the general consensus was that he wasn't the keeper he once was but he's still a lot better than many and is still the best keeper we had.

Trouble is, we are now seeing what a fine line there is between a truly outstanding keeper and one who is just good. That's the difference between a point saved here and not dropping three points there and it all adds up come the end of the season.

I don't think he'll ever get back to the Cech we saw in those first 2 or 3 seasons.

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I, for one, would love to see him come out of the player's entrance in a very important game, WITHOUT HIS HEADGUARD! I think our fans would go wild, and it would spur us on to a famous victory. Perhaps he should save that stunt for a CL final.

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I, for one, would love to see him come out of the player's entrance in a very important game, WITHOUT HIS HEADGUARD! I think our fans would go wild, and it would spur us on to a famous victory. Perhaps he should save that stunt for a CL final.

Not going to happen, he has to wear it on medical grounds as i understand. Which i guess then could raise the question should he even be playing at all?!!

As Nibs says he isnt what he was but he is still better than most. There isnt a truly great keeper in the premier league anymore if you ask me, and yes i include the media darling Given in that too.

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OK, then, perhaps he can come out like one of those masked wrastlers (do you have those over there?), like Mils Mascaras (I think I butchered his name), where the one thing not covered on his face is his eyes. The Mexicans love the masked wrastlers, whereby the "good guy" then tries to pull off the mask of the wrastler for the entire match.

I remember in the glory days of wrastling, when Andre the Giant wore a mask in one or two matches, and it was so funny because who was he fooling?

Sorry for the digression.

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Agree with most that has been said about him so far. He´s far away from the goalkeeper, that he was for the first 2 or 3 seasons. I would have even gone so far to say hes been the best goalkeeper in Europe. Now hes still a decent goalkeeper, probably still the best in England. Maybe some competition for the goalkeeper position could help him to step up his game again. When he came to Chelsea, we already had a very good goalkeeper in Cudicini, and he had more pressure to perform then he has today. That, along with his serious injury, are the main reasons in my opinion for his performances.

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The only difference I see between Cech of four years ago and Cech of today is the occasional mare he has. Usually (this season in particular) he is nothing short of spectacular and can be relied on to pull off some quite amazing saves, but on the odd game, he just doesn't seem to have any kind of mojo and will cost us at least one goal. I think yesterday was an example of that.

I mean, we're still top for goals conceded in the league, right?

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Neuer (or however it's spelt)?

He's pretty classy from what I've seen and heard.

I also like Mandanda and Akinfeev (who are a roughly the same age, and very good players)

Anyway, it was just out of interest, I don't see us buying another good keeper anytime soon (while we still have Cech)

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Looking at the replay of the Tevez freekick I think that is Cech didn't make that false move the shot would have been hit pretty much straight at him and it would have been a pretty easy save. Who knows though - maybe he thought that he had Tevez's mindset pegged and thought he knew where he was going with the shot? Maybe he lacks confidence in his ability to stop a shot and feels the need to cheat or guess?

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Petr makes the odd mistake and probably isn't as good as he was in his best season for us but I still think he as as good as any keeper in the Prem over the course of the season.

Ok Reinna Friedal and Given are all pretty good but I still wouldn't want to swap Cech for any of them.

I also would hate to see him play without his protective Helmet..imagine seeing him get clattered knowing it could do him serious damage, he's not wearing it to seek attention it's there under medical advice.

It was a mistake that allowed Tevez to score with a fairly straightforward free kick but the wall was all over the place with City players bullying people out of the way and I thought we should have had players getting amongst the boys they had in the wall.

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even though the wall wasn't great and he took the step the wrong way (didn;t he learn from what didier did to almunia last week) he still should have saved what was a tame effort that was only a couple of yards away...although to be fair, he pulled off the save of the season the other week against wolves...the unfortunate thing is we didn't really need it then as the game was won anyway, we needed it yesterday

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The thing is though players all make mistakes and as we don't concede a lot and Cechs reputation is as one of the best in the world his get highlighted more.

If mistakes were as easy too learn by as watching others mistakes and not making the same ones surely we could have a go at Didier for missing his chance late on or Frank missing the penalty,

these things happen again and again and I'm pretty thankful we've got a keeper that (IMO) makes less than most.

The whole team looked rattled against a physical side and it's no surprise mistakes were happening as the pressure was high, I don't doubt Cech will go on another long clean sheet run in the not too distant future.

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I wouldn't call it a "worrying decline". We've conceded 10 goals in 15 Premier League games this season, and they weren't all his fault either, so he's hardly chucking them in all over the place. As with Lampard he was so good at his peak that any slips will be picked up on more.

I don't think he's as good as he was from 04-06, we have H*nt to thank for that imo, and doesn't have the same aura as he did back then. But as others have pointed out he's still better than most and I'd take him over Hilario or Turnbull any day of the week.

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Petr makes the odd mistake and probably isn't as good as he was in his best season for us but I still think he as as good as any keeper in the Prem over the course of the season.

Ok Reinna Friedal and Given are all pretty good but I still wouldn't want to swap Cech for any of them.

I also would hate to see him play without his protective Helmet..imagine seeing him get clattered knowing it could do him serious damage, he's not wearing it to seek attention it's there under medical advice.

It was a mistake that allowed Tevez to score with a fairly straightforward free kick but the wall was all over the place with City players bullying people out of the way and I thought we should have had players getting amongst the boys they had in the wall.

Agree with everything here.

-on the FK yesterday, he made a false move right, and was still big and athletic enough to get his fingers within inches of the ball flying into the far corner. Okay, he would have stopped it if he didnt go right. But it wouldnt have mattered if those in the wall had done their job.

-I would rather he makes a massive blunder every game than he put his life at risk without that headgear. I think it just becomes a focal point for frustration, reminding everyone of what Steven c**t did to him.

He is not the Cech of old, for sure, but he has definitely gotten better than he was in the immediate aftermath of his comeback.

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I wouldn't call it a "worrying decline". We've conceded 10 goals in 15 Premier League games this season, and they weren't all his fault either, so he's hardly chucking them in all over the place. As with Lampard he was so good at his peak that any slips will be picked up on more.

I don't think he's as good as he was from 04-06, we have H*nt to thank for that imo, and doesn't have the same aura as he did back then. But as others have pointed out he's still better than most and I'd take him over Hilario or Turnbull any day of the week.

lamps had his best ever season last time out...yes, he's not hitting the same heights this...yet before city he'd still scored four in six

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he doesn't have the same aura as he did back then. But as others have pointed out he's still better than most and I'd take him over Hilario or Turnbull any day of the week.

I agree with both of those sentences. He used to intimidate the opposition but not any more.

He would benefit from some competition I believe, and we should buy a keeper in January, if only to help Cech rediscover his edge.

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Agree with everything here.

-on the FK yesterday, he made a false move right, and was still big and athletic enough to get his fingers within inches of the ball flying into the far corner. Okay, he would have stopped it if he didnt go right. But it wouldnt have mattered if those in the wall had done their job.

-I would rather he makes a massive blunder every game than he put his life at risk without that headgear. I think it just becomes a focal point for frustration, reminding everyone of what Steven c**t did to him.

He is not the Cech of old, for sure, but he has definitely gotten better than he was in the immediate aftermath of his comeback.

I disagree, since the ball went to the right of the wall, and not through the wall. Cech set up the wall, and if he wanted another player (5 instead of 4), then he should have asked for it, but he did not. The goal was no where near the left post, and so Cech should have gotten a paw to it, plain and simple. I still cannot fathom why he took a step to his right before Tevez shot, since that area was being perfectly covered by the "wall". Anyway, I need to get over this game, and on to the next game.

As to the other thread, Neuer of Schalke04 is top class, and I would love to see him at Chelsea.

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