Tim W Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 If Portsmouth get kicked out the league next week, which realistically could happen, our lead would increase from 1 to 4 points and our goal difference over Utd will improve too. Utd have played Portsmouth both home and away winning twice with 9-1 in total while we have play them once winning 2-1.
rahul Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 If Portsmouth get kicked out the league next week, which realistically could happen, our lead would increase from 1 to 4 points and our goal difference over Utd will improve too. Utd have played Portsmouth both home and away winning twice with 9-1 in total while we have play them once winning 2-1. Is that true?
loz Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 Yes I am pretty sure that is right. if a team goes out of business mid season than all the results in games involving them are cancelled. Assuming we would have beaten Pompey anyway then the goal difference is the only real advantage we would get out of it (not to be sniffed at). The team it would help from a points perspective is Liverpool who dropped points to them (but that is irrelevant to us).
The Machine Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 This is going to be selfish but I hope that Portsmouth do go under the next week, for the only reason that it would help us points and goal difference wise in the Premier League. Its selfish I accept that but I want what is in the best interest of my club Chelsea.
Nibs Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 Yes I am pretty sure that is right. if a team goes out of business mid season than all the results in games involving them are cancelled. Assuming we would have beaten Pompey anyway then the goal difference is the only real advantage we would get out of it (not to be sniffed at). The team it would help from a points perspective is Liverpool who dropped points to them (but that is irrelevant to us). With our away form the way it is, I wouldn't guarantee that. Anyway, it shouldn't and I hope it doesn't happen. Feel sorry for the Pompey fans who are a good bunch and deserve a lot more. But for Roman coming in when he did, we could well be in that sort of position now.
BlueNose Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 I dont see why we have come to this,are we not capable of winning the league on our own?
Gem Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 They'd have a game in hand though. However, like Nibs, hope it doesn't happen, no fan deserves this. Except Scousers.
Tim W Posted February 12, 2010 Author Posted February 12, 2010 They'd have a game in hand though. How did you work that out Gem? No one wants to see it happen, it's just a reflection on the game at all levels.
jack h Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 The club and the fans don't deserve whats happened and the FA, premier league or whoever does the "Fit and Proper person" test should share the responsibility for the mess that the clubs in Really hope it doesnt happen but if Pompey lose tommorrow (hate to say it but i cant see any other result) to the scummers then i really dont see the club recovering as it would destroy and confidence the fans and players have left.
bluevale2 Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 With our away form the way it is, I wouldn't guarantee that.Anyway, it shouldn't and I hope it doesn't happen. Feel sorry for the Pompey fans who are a good bunch and deserve a lot more. But for Roman coming in when he did, we could well be in that sort of position now. I agree with you there Nibs. They are a good bunch and it would be a sad day if it happens.
Maksimov Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 If we can't win it without this sort of help, then we don't deserve it.
Spiller86 Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 If we can't win it without this sort of help, then we don't deserve it. Couldn't agree more. Why have we all of a sudden deserted the idea of us being good enough to win the league the traditional way?
deg0ey Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 They'd have a game in hand though. How did you work that out Gem? Well, if all involving Portsmouth were to get cancelled out, then they would lose 2 games and we would only lose one...Or to put it another way, whenever we're due to play Portsmouth we'd have the weekend off (due to our opponents not existing anymore) and United would still be playing someone else.
Barry Bridges Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 hey, screw you all! If Man U can win the league because of OG's, why cant we because of Portsmouth liquidation? I believe the results get erased only in the case of liquidation, not administration. I was actually reading on this a little while ago and I believe Man U would move to 3rd if this occured, as well it would actually ehlp Liverpool as they lost to Portsmouth. Such an agony! Its would help us, but it would help the scousers too! Almost want to cut off your own nose just to spite em, eh? Anywyas, I hope they survive and do well. I want to win the title, but I do not want an asterix next to it! For it will be rememebered as the season where the last place team determined the winner, and not the winner themselves, were it to occur that way.
ThunderDan Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) No asterisk here, BB Vancouver! Since every side plays home and away with every other, the balance and fairness will remain. What's odd is the fact that some teams are greatly affected while others are not, because it's occuring midseason. But in the end, all sides will have 36 matches against the same 36 opponents. By the way, should I expect this level of drama every BPL season? :) Edited February 13, 2010 by ThunderDan
coco Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 By the way, should I expect this level of drama every BPL season? :) BPL ?
ThunderDan Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) Sorry, EPL. Premiership. But don't avoid the question... Edited February 13, 2010 by ThunderDan
coco Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 Barclays Premier League? :( Oh yeah of course, ;)
BrewCrew Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 I am new to the whole "club going to administration" deal. What has to happen before the club is out of the league and all the points won are taken away from other teams?
sleepy_gonzalez Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 they'll be docked points, not kicked out of the league. they'll get relegated anyway, as if they needed a points deduction to make that happen!!
Maksimov Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 I wonder when the people in charge will wake up and start doing something about sad financial state of the clubs. People keep banging on about how the Premiership is more business than sports now, but it's rare to see a business being managed so poorly as many of the Premiership clubs are. How many of them are debt free? How many of them have done it without one of these so called sugar daddies? Ticket prices go up, tons of merchadise is being sold, the clubs make lucrative sponsorship deals and sell naming rights to their stadiums and yet many of them are struggling financially. If it's a business, start treating it like one! Mandaric saved Pompey a little over a decade ago and now they want someone else to do it again. How about trying to run the club by not spending more than what your income is? I know it sounds a bit silly, but it could work. How about it? Chelsea is no different in this matter. We still depend on Roman to keep the boat afloat. Why do we insist on paying record salaries to our players when clearly we can't afford to do so if we want to become financially stable. The club is one of the biggest clubs in Europe at the moment, yet it is forced to consider selling naming rights to Stamford Bridge. How about not paying around 100k per week to everyone in the starting lineup and even some of them on the bench? How about it?
bonetti Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 they'll be docked points, not kicked out of the league. they'll get relegated anyway, as if they needed a points deduction to make that happen!! Confusion here For going into Admin they get docked 9 points If nobody buys them and they are 'wound up' (ie cease to exist) then the new points scenario applys
sleepy_gonzalez Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 I wonder when the people in charge will wake up and start doing something about sad financial state of the clubs. People keep banging on about how the Premiership is more business than sports now, but it's rare to see a business being managed so poorly as many of the Premiership clubs are. How many of them are debt free? How many of them have done it without one of these so called sugar daddies? Ticket prices go up, tons of merchadise is being sold, the clubs make lucrative sponsorship deals and sell naming rights to their stadiums and yet many of them are struggling financially. If it's a business, start treating it like one! Mandaric saved Pompey a little over a decade ago and now they want someone else to do it again. How about trying to run the club by not spending more than what your income is? I know it sounds a bit silly, but it could work. How about it? Chelsea is no different in this matter. We still depend on Roman to keep the boat afloat. Why do we insist on paying record salaries to our players when clearly we can't afford to do so if we want to become financially stable. The club is one of the biggest clubs in Europe at the moment, yet it is forced to consider selling naming rights to Stamford Bridge. How about not paying around 100k per week to everyone in the starting lineup and even some of them on the bench? How about it? this debt business is all a bit silly, debt is ok if you can afford the repayments, i'd be willing to bet the vast majority of businesses are built on or reliant on borrowed capital and commercial credit in some way. Being debt free is great, but we're just talking about an expenditure here. The only problem is mismanagement, ie spending more than you can afford to spend or borrow, not the borrowing itself.
Barry Bridges Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 actually its not that rare, look at the banks who created a world economic recession....they were playing by EPL finiancial rules.....and we all saw the result. What I cant staned is gooners. Their club have just paid off about 130m of debt (about 1/3rd of total debt) and they plan on re investing in the team and other revenue projects, to protect their finiancial interests in the future. ....and the fcking fans are whinning that their club is being run like a business...... IT IS A F&^CKING BUSINESS AND ITS BEING RUN F*&^^CKING WELL. I mean would they rather be Pompey? A club who spends more than they earn without a wealthy backer? If I was a fan of a club playing "beautiful" football, competeing for every trophy every year, with a new staidum and stable finiances, a history of youth development and that infrastructure and the price for all that is just going a few years without a trophy...... I would be fcking estatic! What a bunch of spoiled prats, I hope they fire Wenger, hire "Arry and then go into administration 3 seasons later, after having won the FA cup.
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